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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread(Its still personal)

Legendary1 said:
Wow!
That is not good as the B1G seems like they will do whatever ND wants to get them. I’d rather be in SEC but I’d most want to be able to go to either one (in case SEC tries to kill Miami.
I’m worried B1G will take:
ND, Stanford, Oregon, UNC
And SEC take:
FSU, Clemson, UVA, and one more (pray pray pray it’s us). Could be NCSU though.
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Tf is u even saying? The SEC is gonna be bent on not allowing any FL school going to the BIG. That's a **** chess move if it happens. There is not expansion talk that doesn't start with ND, Miami, Clemson , FSU...garbage and all.
 
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ACC might become a basketball conference like the Big East, with remaining football members going independent or G5.
 
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USAFCane88 said:
Beat guess, what do you think it would cost us to leave the ACC (excluding the other factors you just mentioned)? I was shooting worst case with the $300MM+. Even then it works out in our favor financially.
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Best guess? That's a tough one, because of a lot of moving parts.

EDIT: I had a much longer response written, but I cut it down.

I'd be willing to bet that a RANGE for an acceptable settlement would be somewhere between 100M and 200M. I don't see the ACC taking less than 100. They have to make UM and Clemson hurt. The ACC (essentially) takes some of that "extra SEC money" that Miami/Clemson would be getting, and they put it in their own pockets. I don't think there has ever been a GRANT OF RIGHTS settlement that has hit 9 figures. Texas/OU and USC/UCLA are just waiting out GOR expirations, or getting close. The money that they WILL pay is standard contractual stuff for LEAVING THE CONFERENCE, and not "exiting the GOR early". So in addition to the $50M that UM pays just to leave the conference, there would be an additional 100M to 200M to exit the GOR. And the upper end number (200M) would probably be rational if (a) UM/Clemson are the only schools leaving and have little leverage, and (b) the ACC acknowledges an intent to live on with lesser members like UCF/USF. And $300M for GOR exit is just crazy, if it was easy to get full payment on every dispute, nobody would ever hire an attorney.

Split the diff? $150M GOR settlement plus the $50M conference exit fee? [FOR THE RECORD, THE GOR AMOUNT GOES DOWN FOR EVERY YEAR YOU DELAY, SO IF WE WAITED THREE YEARS OUT OF THIRTEEN, YOU COULD KNOCK OFF ABOUT ONE-FOURTH OF THE GOR SETTLEMENT]

Dan's gonna have to figure out how to grow the other revenue to offset this. And ya know what would help...owning your own stadium/concessions revenue streams...

Oh yeah, did you think I forgot about that one? While the Hard Rock Bros whine about driving an extra 10 to 15 miles, I'd just point out that Miami would make waaaaaaay more money from new SEC rivalry games IF WE HAD OUR OWN PLACE AND KEPT ALL THE MONEY.
 
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WaterburyCane said:
Appreciate your points Bender, but I have to side on @RVACane on this one. The SEC bigwigs are the most corrupt scumbags. Thick as thieves that old boys club is. They dont give a **** about academics or the athletes. The one thing they care about more than money is winning in my opinion. Being able to flash that trophy in everyone's face gets them off. Even if we went to the SEC, we would never be "accepted" and treated like the red headed stepchild. I agree with RVA that they would keep us in a box somehow. They would find a way to ***** us. Whether it be with scheduling or some other passive aggressive way to put more pressure on us than their core teams. It just doesnt smell right to me.

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I was all for SEC but this and RVA's points make too much sense. It could be tobacco road all over again. ND will try to crap on us for sure. So either way will have some bumps to overcome.
 
I just keep thinking how fortunate we are with the timing, and how thankful I am for the changes that have taken place in the last 12 to 18 months.

Otherwise, we would be in a much worse position.

Thank God for certain leaders at the school and on the BOT, and outside the school, that realized what a neglected diamond we had in the football program, one that could elevate the prestige and status of the University, and become even more of a net plus with respect to financial returns in the long term.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Here's the thing... @RVACane is not wrong...

BUT, I think we are gonna get big-timed BY ANY CONFERENCE.

Big 10 is gonna treat us like we're the Clampetts, like we fired a shotgun in John Ruiz's backyard and hit a rich vein of money. Pac 12 would schedule all their meetings for 5 pm PST. Big 12 is Texas, we all know everything is bigger/better in Texas, and those mofos would give us all the dry brisket at the conference meetings.

Yeah, the ACC has held us down, but I wouldn't expect a warm welcome ANYWHERE. Politics and power dynamics...they are what they are.

The ONLY way that Miami would ever have power is if we stayed in the ACC, the SEC took UNC/NC State, the Big 10 took Duke/Wake, and then the remaining ACC did a hostile takeover of the Big 12.

Then and only then would Miami be able to rub its balls across the collective faces of WVU, UCF, Cincy, and the Texas wannabes.
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We would get chump change for tv money.
 
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Canes2082 said:
Does Fsu admin have it in them to leave the ACC… I’ve heard they’re admin is weak like ours used to be and they are content.
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If pushed, they will try to leave. But they REALLY need a Miami-level purge of AD and Head Football Coach. And they are scurred to do so because of money owned to Prison Mike Norvell. So far, F$U has not proven that they understand that you have to spend money to make money, either at the University or the Booster level.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Best guess? That's a tough one, because of a lot of moving parts.

EDIT: I had a much longer response written, but I cut it down.

I'd be willing to bet that a RANGE for an acceptable settlement would be somewhere between 100M and 200M. I don't see the ACC taking less than 100. They have to make UM and Clemson hurt. The ACC (essentially) takes some of that "extra SEC money" that Miami/Clemson would be getting, and they put it in their own pockets. I don't think there has ever been a GRANT OF RIGHTS settlement that has hit 9 figures. Texas/OU and USC/UCLA are just waiting out GOR expirations, or getting close. The money that they WILL pay is standard contractual stuff for LEAVING THE CONFERENCE, and not "exiting the GOR early". So in addition to the $50M that UM pays just to leave the conference, there would be an additional 100M to 200M to exit the GOR. And the upper end number (200M) would probably be rational if (a) UM/Clemson are the only schools leaving and have little leverage, and (b) the ACC acknowledges an intent to live on with lesser members like UCF/USF. And $300M for GOR exit is just crazy, if it was easy to get full payment on every dispute, nobody would ever hire an attorney.

Split the diff? $150M GOR settlement plus the $50M conference exit fee? [FOR THE RECORD, THE GOR AMOUNT GOES DOWN FOR EVERY YEAR YOU DELAY, SO IF WE WAITED THREE YEARS OUT OF THIRTEEN, YOU COULD KNOCK OFF ABOUT ONE-FOURTH OF THE GOR SETTLEMENT]

Dan's gonna have to figure out how to grow the other revenue to offset this. And ya know what would help...owning your own stadium/concessions revenue streams...

Oh yeah, did you think I forgot about that one? While the Hard Rock Bros whine about driving an extra 10 to 15 miles, I'd just point out that Miami would make waaaaaaay more money from new SEC rivalry games IF WE HAD OUR OWN PLACE AND KEPT ALL THE MONEY.
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On your last point though John Ruiz has been very out there about wanting to build Miami a stadium of their own I have yet to hear him say that he’s going to build it and give it completely over to Miami so that they can own all the revenue. So unless he is doing it as a donor with others on board versus a builder Miami still wouldn’t get all of the revenue from a move to “” their own stadium
 
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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
That’s not an actual academic ranking you’re looking at.
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Yes. I realize that soooooo many people put sooooooo much faith in those US News rankings.

But if you cut the US News fluff, we would realize that ALL ALONG, we've been staring the REAL gold standard of "academic rankings" in the face all along.

AAU membership.

Miami and Notre Dame would be close to getting AAU membership if we did what we needed to do (and a lot of it involves research revenue and efforts).

But if ANYONE thinks that F$U is anywhere CLOSE to being an AAU institution, please climb to the top of the F$U Circus School trapeze platform and jump off. Without a net.

Florida got into the AAU in 1985. No other Florida institution has made the AAU. I know that Miami has talked about applying and has wasted time.

But if you want to know the best "academic" schools in America, look to the AAU membership, not the US News rankings. There are some exceptions, of course. But US News rankings don't make F$U a great academic school.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Here's the thing... @RVACane is not wrong...

BUT, I think we are gonna get big-timed BY ANY CONFERENCE.

Big 10 is gonna treat us like we're the Clampetts, like we fired a shotgun in John Ruiz's backyard and hit a rich vein of money. Pac 12 would schedule all their meetings for 5 pm PST. Big 12 is Texas, we all know everything is bigger/better in Texas, and those mofos would give us all the dry brisket at the conference meetings.

Yeah, the ACC has held us down, but I wouldn't expect a warm welcome ANYWHERE. Politics and power dynamics...they are what they are.

The ONLY way that Miami would ever have power is if we stayed in the ACC, the SEC took UNC/NC State, the Big 10 took Duke/Wake, and then the remaining ACC did a hostile takeover of the Big 12.

Then and only then would Miami be able to rub its balls across the collective faces of WVU, UCF, Cincy, and the Texas wannabes.
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I would add, if Miami becomes what we envision for it to become, and with the incredible leadership it has now, I think we can establish the politics to be treated respectfully in the SEC. Success cures everything.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
If pushed, they will try to leave. But they REALLY need a Miami-level purge of AD and Head Football Coach. And they are scurred to do so because of money owned to Prison Mike Norvell. So far, F$U has not proven that they understand that you have to spend money to make money, either at the University or the Booster level.
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I'm ain't shedding no tears for them but it's almost like they saw our model of "leadership" and decision making on the football front from like 2004 on and decided they liked it and could make it work.

Letting Cuckbo walk was their version of promoting Coker/hiring Shannon. Seems to me they're in like the early Golden years now and it's TBD if things will break correctly for them.
 
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