Comment from lsu 247 reporter on Raymond

[brock]

I'll post what ever update he posts later

 

[gacericardo]

Context brock

 

[Problem2]

Context brock

S/S Corey Raymond?

 

[Brickbybrick_mp]

There is too much smoke here. Georgia boards have a thread on it. Florida boards as well. Lots of rumors that Raymond will be co-DC but nobody seems to know who the other half will be.

 

[brock]

There is too much smoke here. Georgia boards have a thread on it. Florida boards as well. Lots of rumors that Raymond will be co-DC but nobody seems to know who the other half will be.

Didn't that rumor originate from here though?

 

[Brickbybrick_mp]

There is too much smoke here. Georgia boards have a thread on it. Florida boards as well. Lots of rumors that Raymond will be co-DC but nobody seems to know who the other half will be.

Didn't that rumor orgmiginate from here though?

Somebody else said that Raymond reached out to Miami about the DC job

 

[smack99]

Not sure I'd want Raymond as Co-DC.... Cut the Co-DC altogether. Just hire a **** DC.

 

[AUcane]

There is too much smoke here. Georgia boards have a thread on it. Florida boards as well. Lots of rumors that Raymond will be co-DC but nobody seems to know who the other half will be.

Because it's probably the same porster(s) asking about it.

 

[JZCane]

Not sure I'd want Raymond as Co-DC.... Cut the Co-DC altogether. Just hire a **** DC.

Sure seems to hurt Michigan State and TCU

 

[weownfsu]

There is too much smoke here. Georgia boards have a thread on it. Florida boards as well. Lots of rumors that Raymond will be co-DC but nobody seems to know who the other half will be.

Because it's probably the same porster(s) asking about it.

Just good ole' brick registering on every board possible to ask the same **** question.

 

[Gi0logy]

Not sure I'd want Raymond as Co-DC.... Cut the Co-DC altogether. Just hire a **** DC.

Sure seems to hurt Michigan State and TCU

How does the Co-DC work? I'm confused as to how you actually decide who calls the plays game day, what happens if they disagree with something, who decides on offering recruits, is it really 50-50 split? Not saying it wouldn't work, just confused as to how it works.

 

[ssj4cane]

Not sure I'd want Raymond as Co-DC.... Cut the Co-DC altogether. Just hire a **** DC.

Seems more and more teams are going this route. It's a title to give someone and gets them more pay. Only one will call the defense.

 

[LuCane]

Not sure I'd want Raymond as Co-DC.... Cut the Co-DC altogether. Just hire a **** DC.

The way I've seen it, it's usually more of a title and narrower duty thing. There aren't two guys debating the playcall and coming together to call a defense. There's also typically one guy with predominant duties while the other specializes. In this case, you'd probably have a playcaller and a pass defense coordinator (while being the DB coach).

 

[BWCD]

Not sure I'd want Raymond as Co-DC.... Cut the Co-DC altogether. Just hire a **** DC.

Sure seems to hurt Michigan State and TCU

How does the Co-DC work? I'm confused as to how you actually decide who calls the plays game day, what happens if they disagree with something, who decides on offering recruits, is it really 50-50 split? Not saying it wouldn't work, just confused as to how it works.

I don't know how it works everywhere, but at TCU, for instance, one DC will call the defensive front (blitzes/stunts/etc) and the other will call the secondary's coverage scheme behind it. It's an interesting way to go about it...to add another bit of nuance to it, the DC calling the coverages might call one coverage for one side of the formation and a different one on the other side, so you might have a hybrid man-zone coverage which makes pre-snap reads for the opposing QB an absolute bytch.

See this article that has, indeed, been posted here numerous times: Hard Knocks: Playing Defense With TCU?s Gary Patterson «

 

[RVACane]

I saw an lsu thread that mentioned Ron Cooper from USF as a possible replacement were they to lose Raymond. If we don't get Raymond, would Cooper be a viable option?

 

[rustywalkedaway]

Not sure I'd want Raymond as Co-DC.... Cut the Co-DC altogether. Just hire a **** DC.

Sure seems to hurt Michigan State and TCU

How does the Co-DC work? I'm confused as to how you actually decide who calls the plays game day, what happens if they disagree with something, who decides on offering recruits, is it really 50-50 split? Not saying it wouldn't work, just confused as to how it works.

I don't know how it works everywhere, but at TCU, for instance, one DC will call the defensive front (blitzes/stunts/etc) and the other will call the secondary's coverage scheme behind it. It's an interesting way to go about it...to add another bit of nuance to it, the DC calling the coverages might call one coverage for one side of the formation and a different one on the other side, so you might have a hybrid man-zone coverage which makes pre-snap reads for the opposing QB an absolute bytch.

See this article that has, indeed, been posted here numerous times: Hard Knocks: Playing Defense With TCU?s Gary Patterson «

Wow, that is interesting. Thanks for the link.

 

[Jeeperaf]

In leadership roles (i.e. C-suite, HC, military SNCOs, military officers, OCs, DCs, etc...)...

If you have co-anything in your title...guess what you REALLY aren't....

Co-OC/DC = no OC/DC

An organization's staff are done a huge disservice without crystal clear roles and responsibilities. Miami needs a singular OC (sounds defacto like Richt) and a singular DC (whomever..just pick one and go)...

 

[LuCane]

Not sure I'd want Raymond as Co-DC.... Cut the Co-DC altogether. Just hire a **** DC.

Sure seems to hurt Michigan State and TCU

How does the Co-DC work? I'm confused as to how you actually decide who calls the plays game day, what happens if they disagree with something, who decides on offering recruits, is it really 50-50 split? Not saying it wouldn't work, just confused as to how it works.

I don't know how it works everywhere, but at TCU, for instance, one DC will call the defensive front (blitzes/stunts/etc) and the other will call the secondary's coverage scheme behind it. It's an interesting way to go about it...to add another bit of nuance to it, the DC calling the coverages might call one coverage for one side of the formation and a different one on the other side, so you might have a hybrid man-zone coverage which makes pre-snap reads for the opposing QB an absolute bytch.

See this article that has, indeed, been posted here numerous times: Hard Knocks: Playing Defense With TCU?s Gary Patterson «

Lots of things bubble up to the NFL from college. In this case, splitting coverages and front assignments has trickled down from the NFL. As has been discussed here in the past, Seattle has done an awesome job of splitting their front - 2-gap vs 1-gap. It's a **** nightmare for an offense and puts the defense back in the position to dictate.

At this point, I just want something our players understand and can execute on instinct, please.

 

[Jeeperaf]

Not sure I'd want Raymond as Co-DC.... Cut the Co-DC altogether. Just hire a **** DC.

Sure seems to hurt Michigan State and TCU

How does the Co-DC work? I'm confused as to how you actually decide who calls the plays game day, what happens if they disagree with something, who decides on offering recruits, is it really 50-50 split? Not saying it wouldn't work, just confused as to how it works.

I don't know how it works everywhere, but at TCU, for instance, one DC will call the defensive front (blitzes/stunts/etc) and the other will call the secondary's coverage scheme behind it. It's an interesting way to go about it...to add another bit of nuance to it, the DC calling the coverages might call one coverage for one side of the formation and a different one on the other side, so you might have a hybrid man-zone coverage which makes pre-snap reads for the opposing QB an absolute bytch.

See this article that has, indeed, been posted here numerous times: Hard Knocks: Playing Defense With TCU?s Gary Patterson «

Certainly not criticizing your post. Interesting article...HOWEVER...

Impossible for that system to work long term without constancy in the two "co-s" (i.e. they both have to stay forever and act essentially as a singular unit).

 

[BWCD]

Certainly not criticizing your post. Interesting article...HOWEVER...

Impossible for that system to work long term without constancy in the two "co-s" (i.e. they both have to stay forever and act essentially as a singular unit).

I dunno. It's a system just like any other, like the Air Raid-style of offense. If you know how to implement it, then you don't need to have been at a place for years upon years to make it work.

Take this quote from the article:

Patterson isn’t the only coach who divorces his fronts from his coverage calls — Bill Belichick is another — but Patterson takes the principle as far as I’ve seen by having different coaches call TCU’s fronts and coverages, in many cases independent of each other. “The best system is to have one guy thinking about how to stop the best run play and the best pass rush, and another guy thinking about the best coverage,” Patterson said in 2006. “That’s the ultimate.”

If you have one guy thinking how to best stop the run regardless of coverage, and the other how to best stop the pass regardless of the front's call, they don't necessarily have to be in sync, as you're suggesting. They simply need to know the gameplan and tendencies of the opponent, and make their calls accordingly with down/distance and situations in mind. Would it work better if they're both highly familiar with each other? Sure, that's reasonable to say. "Impossible to work long term" if Co-DC's are unfamiliar with each other? Not necessarily. They just have to be good at what they're supposed to be good at - either calling the fronts, or calling the coverages.

For instance, if it's 3rd and 5, and you're calling an all out blitz up front, and I'm calling Cover 4 behind it...without either of us knowing what was called...it could work IF your blitz gets home...regardless of how well we work as a "singular unit". Now...could we work together and when you call the blitz up front, I know to call something more complementary, like Cover 2 Man Under or Cover 3 Robber? Sure. But that doesn't HAVE to be the case, as you suggest.