College AD's are not NFL GM'S

[MIATL]

You're either confused, or dishonest ... But feel free to link something to correct me.

I've read it multiple times, too ...

But only from message board folks trying to justify why Golden is still around.

Shalala has never said anything like that about Golden.

In fact, what she has said is that Al Golden is the man for the job, and that fans just need to be patient. She has NEVER indicated Golden should be on shaky ground, but that she would leave it up to her successor to handle the situation.

I have, many times. She said she didn't want to put the responsibility of hiring a new coach on a new president.

"Some feedback from four prominent trustees, who asked that their names not be used:

### All four said Golden is expected to keep his job beyond this season.

Among the reasons: He’s signed through Feb. 1, 2020, and a multi-million dollar buyout would be a major obstacle; athletic director*Blake*James*believes in Golden; there’s a sense of loyalty to Golden for steering UM through the NCAA investigation; and there’s a strong belief that presidentDonna Shalala*would not fire her most*visible coach before her May retirement.

“She doesn’t want to leave on a sour note like that,” one of the trustees said. “She’s not going to fire the coach and walk away,” another said. “She’s not going to leave that financial burden on a new president,” another said."

Please read what you posted:

You are using provided statements from "unnamed" trustees to validate your statement that "Donna is on record".

So, again: When did SHALALA actually say it??

When is Shalala on record? Especially considering the "unnamed trustees" aren't even willing to go on record ...

I'm not going to play lawyerball with you. If Barry Jackson, someone extremely conservative when it comes to reporting on rumors and secondhand talk, is reporting it then I'm willing to accept it is as true without even scouring the interwebs for Cote, Hyde, etc saying the same. Go ahead and defend Flake on how you wish he'd conduct himself in the future but to believe that he alone could have canned Golden last season is ridiculously naive. That's where you're misunderstanding the criticism. There are MANY other real AD's that would have that power. Will he under Frenk? Maybe but I'm not holding my breath.

We agree ... I don't think James could have fired anyone.

I just believe the issue is with the BOT, not the office of the president or the AD.

 

[canesstevealum08]

Cosig, my earlier point is you claim the buyout is no issue. Yet, the Board of Trustees does, so which is it?

 

[Tad Footeball]

You're either confused, or dishonest ... But feel free to link something to correct me.

I've read it multiple times, too ...

But only from message board folks trying to justify why Golden is still around.

Shalala has never said anything like that about Golden.

In fact, what she has said is that Al Golden is the man for the job, and that fans just need to be patient. She has NEVER indicated Golden should be on shaky ground, but that she would leave it up to her successor to handle the situation.

"Some feedback from four prominent trustees, who asked that their names not be used:

### All four said Golden is expected to keep his job beyond this season.

Among the reasons: He’s signed through Feb. 1, 2020, and a multi-million dollar buyout would be a major obstacle; athletic director*Blake*James*believes in Golden; there’s a sense of loyalty to Golden for steering UM through the NCAA investigation; and there’s a strong belief that presidentDonna Shalala*would not fire her most*visible coach before her May retirement.

“She doesn’t want to leave on a sour note like that,” one of the trustees said. “She’s not going to fire the coach and walk away,” another said. “She’s not going to leave that financial burden on a new president,” another said."

Please read what you posted:

You are using provided statements from "unnamed" trustees to validate your statement that "Donna is on record".

So, again: When did SHALALA actually say it??

When is Shalala on record? Especially considering the "unnamed trustees" aren't even willing to go on record ...

I'm not going to play lawyerball with you. If Barry Jackson, someone extremely conservative when it comes to reporting on rumors and secondhand talk, is reporting it then I'm willing to accept it is as true without even scouring the interwebs for Cote, Hyde, etc saying the same. Go ahead and defend Flake on how you wish he'd conduct himself in the future but to believe that he alone could have canned Golden last season is ridiculously naive. That's where you're misunderstanding the criticism. There are MANY other real AD's that would have that power. Will he under Frenk? Maybe but I'm not holding my breath.

We agree ... I don't think James could have fired anyone.

I just believe the issue is with the BOT, not the office of the president or the AD.

I'd still debate you as to Shalala's involvement and desire to not fire anyone on her way out so as to deflect/defer criticism BUT your stance now seems correct. I think with Frenk that the BoT alone is to blame (or praise) for future moves.

 

[westcoastcanes]

Cosig, my earlier point is you claim the buyout is no issue. Yet, the Board of Trustees does, so which is it?

I believe that his whole position is that it is an issue of will vs. won't, not can vs. can't.

 

[The Franchise]

One thing I've never understood about this job is how we can't Luer a top-tier head coach even without maximum money.

Literally in tears laughing.

 

[Consigliere]

One thing I've never understood about this job is how we can't Luer a top-tier head coach even without maximum money.

Literally in tears laughing.

I am going to Luer Cecil the Lion to my apartment after I get off work.

 

[Consigliere]

Cosig, my earlier point is you claim the buyout is no issue. Yet, the Board of Trustees does, so which is it?

It isn't an issue. You can trust any unnamed source you want, but it isn't an issue. If you read through the link you would understand but you won't because you are a dummy sandwich. Cool?

 

[canesstevealum08]

Spell check i know I know

 

[Consigliere]

Cosig, my earlier point is you claim the buyout is no issue. Yet, the Board of Trustees does, so which is it?

I believe that his whole position is that it is an issue of will vs. won't, not can vs. can't.

Yup. Unfortunately we prefer the whole self inflicted cancer version of the situation. Let's NOT address the situation and hope things magically turn around. Ask Steve Jobs if he wishes he could re-do things.

 

[Gatorhater]

Miami Hurricanes fire coach Randy Shannon after 7-5 season

The above link is a hint for people on this subject who don't get it.

Hocutt fired Shannon because the BOT THOUGHT they were going to get an upgrade. They then instructed Hocutt to secure the president's approval, because that's the way it works at universities. (unless the AD is about to get fired too, as was the case when Butch got fired by UNC)

Read Hocutt's quote about the amount of interested candidates he expected. He hadn't done any research to know who would be interested ... The BOT did that. And they were wrong.

And then they doubled-down on their incompetence after the NCAA situation, and used the same process to gift Golden with an extension. Some of the BOT members were thinking they were getting Golden at a bargain.

But it was neither Eichorst nor Shalala who initiated extension discussions with Golden. It was Golden's agent DOING HIS JOB, and taking advantage of the situation.

Fast forward to today:

The "unnamed" trustees are the people "not interested in saddling the new president" with the financial situation created by their bad decision. Shalala doesn't care one way, or the other ... But it's a convenient excuse.


Also ... Go back to when Shalala was hired. She didn't pick Randy Shannon to replace Coker ... The BOT did that. Even for the conspiracy people, how do you go from wanting Barry Alvarez to hiring Randy Shannon???

That makes ZERO sense, IMO.

My point: It ain't about the AD or the President

The UM football situation has been, and will continue to be, all about the BOT. They have the resources to make better decisions ... The question is, will they?

I am certain that most here will readily agree that our BOT is the worst. Be mindful that it was the BOT who also hired that witch Donna and successive sucky ADs. The fact that BOT stinks does not mean Blake, Donna and the entire administration don't suck eggs. In fact, the total failure of he BOT makes a VERY strong case that they hire ONLY losers at all positions.

 

[Consigliere]

I am certain that most here will readily agree that our BOT is the worst. Be mindful that it was the BOT who also hired that witch Donna and successive sucky ADs. The fact that BOT stinks does not mean Blake, Donna and the entire administration don't suck eggs. In fact, the total failure of he BOT makes a VERY strong case that they hire ONLY losers at all positions.

Just sticking to athletics...

I have no doubt that the BOT at Miami is AWFUL (look at this track record). They are irrational, stupid and micro-manage. This is a terrible combination. We will continue to maintain the status-quo with them micro-managing everything. What I don't get is why do they prefer this approach? Why can't they just find the right AD (see below) and back off? Why do they need to continue to fail miserably and hurt the school financially (i.e. unnecessary extensions and terrible coaching decisions) over and over again?

As for the AD, he is a retarded puppet. He has no power but at the same time he isn't qualified to be AD of the school he graduated from. We need an AD who is competent and passionate. This AD needs to be allowed to run the athletic department without interference from these BOTs.

As for the President, she is gone and it is irrelevant at this point. Her tenure demonstrates UTTER FAILURE when it comes to this football program. If she had NOTHING to do with it, we still failed miserably under her tenure. If she had SOMETHING to do with it, we still failed miserably under her tenure. I don't give a *** about her, she is gone, she is dead and the program FAILED under her reign.

 

[canesstevealum08]

I'm curious to see how they feel the athletic department fits within the scope of the University. It should always be used as the marketing arm to service the University at large.