College AD's are not NFL GM'S

[canesstevealum08]

I'm going to get blasted for saying this but, I don't really care. You guys confuse not wanting to win with making decisions that don't work out. New practice field, new lights new Adidas contract all that stuff is facilitated so that the athletic department can compete at higher levels. Yes, when Shalala was here, it was pretty obvious that she wanted to be average to slightly above average in athletics and not give too many resources to the coaches. Now that she's gone, I believe Dr. Frenk doesn't know enough about college athletics to be very influential.

However, He will not stand in the way of giving resources or making changes. Could Blake have fired golden last year? Absolutely. But at what cost? Golden is Corny, outdated, lots of false bravado. Let's just hope money in the next search is well spent. I would prefer we go nil assist with previous college exp. One thing I've never understood about this job is how we can't Lure a top-tier head coach even without maximum money. Oregon proves that money doesn't buy championships. So why can't we nor a top-tier head coach with the great with the great recruiting base if everybody recruits here anyway?

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Paragraphs. Surely you learned this at some point during your time at UM

 

[Tad Footeball]

You lose all credibility when you claim Flake could have fired anyone last season. Donna is on record with about 15 different members of the media stating that SHE didn't want to "burden" the new president with a change. Sure, she didn't want the negativity on her on her way out but it's moot as she sure as **** wasn't allowing Flake to make the call.

 

[canesstevealum08]

using speech to text makes it hard to format, as I can't type.

 

[4Canes]

You lose all credibility when you claim Flake could have fired anyone last season. Donna is on record with about 15 different members of the media stating that SHE didn't want to "burden" the new president with a change. Sure, she didn't want the negativity on her on her way out but it's moot as she sure as **** wasn't allowing Flake to make the call.

With all due respect, I've never seen where she said anything like that?

 

[canesstevealum08]

Again, Blake had authority. The monetary scenario's weren't in our favor.

 

[duke4heisman]

You lose all credibility when you claim Flake could have fired anyone last season. Donna is on record with about 15 different members of the media stating that SHE didn't want to "burden" the new president with a change. Sure, she didn't want the negativity on her on her way out but it's moot as she sure as **** wasn't allowing Flake to make the call.

With all due respect, I've never seen where she said anything like that?

I have, many times. She said she didn't want to put the responsibility of hiring a new coach on a new president.

 

[supacane]

Your point is just nil. When people fail they find all type of excuses. Look we have won big before . It was never about Money with Miami. Its getting the right coach, who gets the right players and coaches them. Seriously. We are withing 100 miles of the most talented players in the universe. Schools who don't have that built in advantage, need money to equalize or catch up. But in the end, its about jimmies and Joe's and the right coach. When you have Schiano.....unemployed, But©h Davis, Unemployed plus other great candidates and u choose to stick with Al Golden. Stop complaining about money and **** you don't have and look at yourself and your priorities.

 

[canesstevealum08]

"Among other criticisms raised by the trustees, all of whom are successful, respected members of the community: Why does the team often perform below its talent level? And why does the bar for success at UM seem to be set so low now, with simply winning the ACC's Coastal Division the stated goal." That quote is from a Barry Jackson sports Buzz column five days after the season ended tried telling me again that we don't want to win games.

 

[Consigliere]

What a ***ing moron!

And we refer to the money myth thread.

https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/money-myth/82257?highlight=money+myth

 

[MIATL]

You're either confused, or dishonest ... But feel free to link something to correct me.

I've read it multiple times, too ...

But only from message board folks trying to justify why Golden is still around.

Shalala has never said anything like that about Golden.

In fact, what she has said is that Al Golden is the man for the job, and that fans just need to be patient. She has NEVER indicated Golden should be on shaky ground, but that she would leave it up to her successor to handle the situation.

You lose all credibility when you claim Flake could have fired anyone last season. Donna is on record with about 15 different members of the media stating that SHE didn't want to "burden" the new president with a change. Sure, she didn't want the negativity on her on her way out but it's moot as she sure as **** wasn't allowing Flake to make the call.

With all due respect, I've never seen where she said anything like that?

I have, many times. She said she didn't want to put the responsibility of hiring a new coach on a new president.

 

[Consigliere]

"Among other criticisms raised by the trustees, all of whom are successful, respected members of the community: Why does the team often perform below its talent level? And why does the bar for success at UM seem to be set so low now, with simply winning the ACC's Coastal Division the stated goal." That quote is from a Barry Jackson sports Buzz column five days after the season ended tried telling me again that we don't want to win games.

 

[canesstevealum08]

Cosig explain "Two of the trustees said the decision to extend Golden through the 2019 season was clearly a mistake but understood UM’s reluctance to pay the buyout, which would pay Golden a large chunk of the more than $10 million he’s still owed."

 

[Tad Footeball]

You're either confused, or dishonest ... But feel free to link something to correct me.

I've read it multiple times, too ...

But only from message board folks trying to justify why Golden is still around.

Shalala has never said anything like that about Golden.

In fact, what she has said is that Al Golden is the man for the job, and that fans just need to be patient. She has NEVER indicated Golden should be on shaky ground, but that she would leave it up to her successor to handle the situation.

You lose all credibility when you claim Flake could have fired anyone last season. Donna is on record with about 15 different members of the media stating that SHE didn't want to "burden" the new president with a change. Sure, she didn't want the negativity on her on her way out but it's moot as she sure as **** wasn't allowing Flake to make the call.

With all due respect, I've never seen where she said anything like that?

I have, many times. She said she didn't want to put the responsibility of hiring a new coach on a new president.

"Some feedback from four prominent trustees, who asked that their names not be used:

### All four said Golden is expected to keep his job beyond this season.

Among the reasons: He’s signed through Feb. 1, 2020, and a multi-million dollar buyout would be a major obstacle; athletic director*Blake*James*believes in Golden; there’s a sense of loyalty to Golden for steering UM through the NCAA investigation; and there’s a strong belief that presidentDonna Shalala*would not fire her most*visible coach before her May retirement.

“She doesn’t want to leave on a sour note like that,” one of the trustees said. “She’s not going to fire the coach and walk away,” another said. “She’s not going to leave that financial burden on a new president,” another said."

 

[MIATL]

You're either confused, or dishonest ... But feel free to link something to correct me.

I've read it multiple times, too ...

But only from message board folks trying to justify why Golden is still around.

Shalala has never said anything like that about Golden.

In fact, what she has said is that Al Golden is the man for the job, and that fans just need to be patient. She has NEVER indicated Golden should be on shaky ground, but that she would leave it up to her successor to handle the situation.

You lose all credibility when you claim Flake could have fired anyone last season. Donna is on record with about 15 different members of the media stating that SHE didn't want to "burden" the new president with a change. Sure, she didn't want the negativity on her on her way out but it's moot as she sure as **** wasn't allowing Flake to make the call.

With all due respect, I've never seen where she said anything like that?

I have, many times. She said she didn't want to put the responsibility of hiring a new coach on a new president.

"Some feedback from four prominent trustees, who asked that their names not be used:

### All four said Golden is expected to keep his job beyond this season.

Among the reasons: He’s signed through Feb. 1, 2020, and a multi-million dollar buyout would be a major obstacle; athletic director*Blake*James*believes in Golden; there’s a sense of loyalty to Golden for steering UM through the NCAA investigation; and there’s a strong belief that presidentDonna Shalala*would not fire her most*visible coach before her May retirement.

“She doesn’t want to leave on a sour note like that,” one of the trustees said. “She’s not going to fire the coach and walk away,” another said. “She’s not going to leave that financial burden on a new president,” another said."

Please read what you posted:

You are using provided statements from "unnamed" trustees to validate your statement that "Donna is on record".

So, again: When did SHALALA actually say it??

When is Shalala on record? Especially considering the "unnamed trustees" aren't even willing to go on record ...

 

[Consigliere]

Cosig explain "Two of the trustees said the decision to extend Golden through the 2019 season was clearly a mistake but understood UM’s reluctance to pay the buyout, which would pay Golden a large chunk of the more than $10 million he’s still owed."

What is your ***ing point? I just see a terrible OP and some foolish quote that you just posted above.

Get to the point, pretend that nobody gets it because they don't.

 

[Tad Footeball]

You're either confused, or dishonest ... But feel free to link something to correct me.

I've read it multiple times, too ...

But only from message board folks trying to justify why Golden is still around.

Shalala has never said anything like that about Golden.

In fact, what she has said is that Al Golden is the man for the job, and that fans just need to be patient. She has NEVER indicated Golden should be on shaky ground, but that she would leave it up to her successor to handle the situation.

With all due respect, I've never seen where she said anything like that?

I have, many times. She said she didn't want to put the responsibility of hiring a new coach on a new president.

"Some feedback from four prominent trustees, who asked that their names not be used:

### All four said Golden is expected to keep his job beyond this season.

Among the reasons: He’s signed through Feb. 1, 2020, and a multi-million dollar buyout would be a major obstacle; athletic director*Blake*James*believes in Golden; there’s a sense of loyalty to Golden for steering UM through the NCAA investigation; and there’s a strong belief that presidentDonna Shalala*would not fire her most*visible coach before her May retirement.

“She doesn’t want to leave on a sour note like that,” one of the trustees said. “She’s not going to fire the coach and walk away,” another said. “She’s not going to leave that financial burden on a new president,” another said."

Please read what you posted:

You are using provided statements from "unnamed" trustees to validate your statement that "Donna is on record".

So, again: When did SHALALA actually say it??

When is Shalala on record? Especially considering the "unnamed trustees" aren't even willing to go on record ...

I'm not going to play lawyerball with you. If Barry Jackson, someone extremely conservative when it comes to reporting on rumors and secondhand talk, is reporting it then I'm willing to accept it is as true without even scouring the interwebs for Cote, Hyde, etc saying the same. Go ahead and defend Flake on how you wish he'd conduct himself in the future but to believe that he alone could have canned Golden last season is ridiculously naive. That's where you're misunderstanding the criticism. There are MANY other real AD's that would have that power. Will he under Frenk? Maybe but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[MIATL]

Miami Hurricanes fire coach Randy Shannon after 7-5 season

The above link is a hint for people on this subject who don't get it.

Hocutt fired Shannon because the BOT THOUGHT they were going to get an upgrade. They then instructed Hocutt to secure the president's approval, because that's the way it works at universities. (unless the AD is about to get fired too, as was the case when Butch got fired by UNC)

Read Hocutt's quote about the amount of interested candidates he expected. He hadn't done any research to know who would be interested ... The BOT did that. And they were wrong.

And then they doubled-down on their incompetence after the NCAA situation, and used the same process to gift Golden with an extension. Some of the BOT members were thinking they were getting Golden at a bargain.

But it was neither Eichorst nor Shalala who initiated extension discussions with Golden. It was Golden's agent DOING HIS JOB, and taking advantage of the situation.

Fast forward to today:

The "unnamed" trustees are the people "not interested in saddling the new president" with the financial situation created by their bad decision. Shalala doesn't care one way, or the other ... But it's a convenient excuse.


Also ... Go back to when Shalala was hired. She didn't pick Randy Shannon to replace Coker ... The BOT did that. Even for the conspiracy people, how do you go from wanting Barry Alvarez to hiring Randy Shannon???

That makes ZERO sense, IMO.

My point: It ain't about the AD or the President

The UM football situation has been, and will continue to be, all about the BOT. They have the resources to make better decisions ... The question is, will they?

 

[RBhurricane87]

Most good ADs have some sort of experience in Athletics outside of just selling tickets and fundraising.

Blake James bio:

Blake James Biography - University of Miami Hurricanes Official Athletic Site

 

[canesstevealum08]

Fundraising is the most important part of their job