Coley is a little amped tonight

[rayray]

seriously the idea that miami's offense was underwhelming last year is completely crazy. i don't understand how anyone on this board thinks that.

how about yards per play? this has to be the simplest measure of an offense's ability. on an average snap, how many yards do you gain? last year there were only 10 teams better than miami on a per-play basis http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-play

also the offense was missing its best player for half the season, and thus had a converted safety/wide receiver and converted fullback at running back. the leading returning receiver was out for 3/4 of the year and the third leading returning receiver broke his collarbone in the first game. the senior quarterback might not even get drafted.

the offense last year was very good, just outside elite by any stat that isn't "total offense" (and why would you care about total offense?). coley's offenses dating back to FSU have been consistently some of the best in college football.

the revisionist history regarding our offense this year is astounding. we were 123rd nationally in both time of possession and plays per game, and 104th in third down conversion percentage. what does that say regarding that cherry-picked yards per play average? that we had a big play here or there and the offense did nothing the rest of the game.

i don't understand how yards per play is more cherry-picked than time of possession (you know who was second in time of possession? florida. you know who was 120? oregon) or third down conversion percentage. the third down thing is concerning sure but big plays make up for that! when stacy coley runs 65 yards for a touchdown, that's an amazing play! more important than converting a few third downs, actually.

 

[rayray]

look, i'm not saying the offense was perfect or ideal or elite or without any problems whatsoever. but it was very good. how did miami win 9 games? because the offense was horrible... and the defense was horrible? i mean, just sit and think for a few minutes.

and again, that was without its best player, an erratic quarterback and a depleted group of wide receivers (i.e. malcolm lewis becoming the 4th receiver despite a complete inability to cut/get open etc)

 

[dookie blaylock]

seriously the idea that miami's offense was underwhelming last year is completely crazy. i don't understand how anyone on this board thinks that.

how about yards per play? this has to be the simplest measure of an offense's ability. on an average snap, how many yards do you gain? last year there were only 10 teams better than miami on a per-play basis http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-play

also the offense was missing its best player for half the season, and thus had a converted safety/wide receiver and converted fullback at running back. the leading returning receiver was out for 3/4 of the year and the third leading returning receiver broke his collarbone in the first game. the senior quarterback might not even get drafted.

the offense last year was very good, just outside elite by any stat that isn't "total offense" (and why would you care about total offense?). coley's offenses dating back to FSU have been consistently some of the best in college football.

the revisionist history regarding our offense this year is astounding. we were 123rd nationally in both time of possession and plays per game, and 104th in third down conversion percentage. what does that say regarding that cherry-picked yards per play average? that we had a big play here or there and the offense did nothing the rest of the game.

i don't understand how yards per play is more cherry-picked than time of possession (you know who was second in time of possession? florida. you know who was 120? oregon) or third down conversion percentage. the third down thing is concerning sure but big plays make up for that! when stacy coley runs 65 yards for a touchdown, that's an amazing play! more important than converting a few third downs, actually.

oregon was also 39th in plays per game (again, we were 123rd), which shows that they were creating drives of substance, and 3rd in points per game (we were 48th), which says that they actually scored points consistently all season. their time of possession being short is due to their offense snapping the ball at an absurdly quick pace between plays. try again.

 

[Cal jimmy]

Wish he was HC

He'd do a way better job than golden IMO.

So would a carp.

No Golden....wouldn't be a Coach Coley at UM. No Golden AND Coley then no Kayaa (more apparent than ever in Peter's latest interview)

Defense sucked at end of year. Bowl was pathetic performance. No coach or player bigger than program. All in and agreed agreed.

But, saying a carp would do a better job belittles your more broader and more effective points.

 

[terra99pin]

Come on. The most you can say is that it was inconsistent, and some of that is due to the injuries we suffered. If our offense truly were "putrid", there is no way we would have won 9 games, because our defense is much, much worse.

When considering the previous years success/what we had coming back, I stand by what I said.

Fine, lets objectively compare this year and last year.

From Football Outsiders:

Opponent adjusted offensive efficiency
2013: .473 (14th)
2012: .117 (47th)

Unadjusted offensive efficiency
2013: .223 (37th)
2012: .111 (49th)

First down rate
2013: .701 (50th)
2012: .701 (45th)

Explosive drives
2013: .236 (6th)
2012: .181 (21st)

Link: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/feioff2013

So, we were more efficient and explosive than last year. Yeah, our first down rate sucked. But guess what-- it also did in 2012!

 

[sebastian91]

seriously the idea that miami's offense was underwhelming last year is completely crazy. i don't understand how anyone on this board thinks that.

how about yards per play? this has to be the simplest measure of an offense's ability. on an average snap, how many yards do you gain? last year there were only 10 teams better than miami on a per-play basis http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-play

also the offense was missing its best player for half the season, and thus had a converted safety/wide receiver and converted fullback at running back. the leading returning receiver was out for 3/4 of the year and the third leading returning receiver broke his collarbone in the first game. the senior quarterback might not even get drafted.

the offense last year was very good, just outside elite by any stat that isn't "total offense" (and why would you care about total offense?). coley's offenses dating back to FSU have been consistently some of the best in college football.

the revisionist history regarding our offense this year is astounding. we were 123rd nationally in both time of possession and plays per game, and 104th in third down conversion percentage. what does that say regarding that cherry-picked yards per play average? that we had a big play here or there and the offense did nothing the rest of the game.

i don't understand how yards per play is more cherry-picked than time of possession (you know who was second in time of possession? florida. you know who was 120? oregon) or third down conversion percentage. the third down thing is concerning sure but big plays make up for that! when stacy coley runs 65 yards for a touchdown, that's an amazing play! more important than converting a few third downs, actually.

Any stat can be cherry-picked. That's not the point (not mine anyway). Big plays are amazing, for sure. That said, there's a risk/reward balance that has to be considered. What effect does going 3 and out have on your defense if you only hit the big play 25% of the time? You're going to lose games that way. There's a time and place to take your shots, and perhaps Morris is as much to blame as Coach Coley for that. Given our defense, the more relevant stats are TOP, 3rd down conversions, and first downs, IMO.

 

[rayray]

seriously the idea that miami's offense was underwhelming last year is completely crazy. i don't understand how anyone on this board thinks that.

how about yards per play? this has to be the simplest measure of an offense's ability. on an average snap, how many yards do you gain? last year there were only 10 teams better than miami on a per-play basis http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-play

also the offense was missing its best player for half the season, and thus had a converted safety/wide receiver and converted fullback at running back. the leading returning receiver was out for 3/4 of the year and the third leading returning receiver broke his collarbone in the first game. the senior quarterback might not even get drafted.

the offense last year was very good, just outside elite by any stat that isn't "total offense" (and why would you care about total offense?). coley's offenses dating back to FSU have been consistently some of the best in college football.

the revisionist history regarding our offense this year is astounding. we were 123rd nationally in both time of possession and plays per game, and 104th in third down conversion percentage. what does that say regarding that cherry-picked yards per play average? that we had a big play here or there and the offense did nothing the rest of the game.

i don't understand how yards per play is more cherry-picked than time of possession (you know who was second in time of possession? florida. you know who was 120? oregon) or third down conversion percentage. the third down thing is concerning sure but big plays make up for that! when stacy coley runs 65 yards for a touchdown, that's an amazing play! more important than converting a few third downs, actually.

oregon was also 39th in plays per game (again, we were 123rd), which shows that they were creating drives of substance and 3rd in points per game (we were 48th), which says that they actually scored points consistently all season. their time of possession being short is due to their offense snapping the ball at an absurdly quick pace between plays. try again.

i'm not sure why you all are so hung on third down percentage considering miami had the 7th fewest third downs in the ncaa last year! http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/third-downs-per-game here were the 6 teams with fewer: florida state, alabama, ohio state, texas a&m, central florida & toledo. pretty good company right?

one of the reasons why miami had so few third downs and was so low in time of percentage is because we had a high number of big plays. when allen hurns and stacy coley and duke johnson rip off 40, 50 or 60 yard plays, that's amazing! there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[rayray]

i agree that the balance of "big plays" to "consistent drives" would ideally be more even and i'm sure the coaching staff would agree too.

but there are more than one way to get yards and score points (the objective of the offense!) and miami just happened to do it often via big plays.

 

[BWCD]

At the end of the day, we were a one-trick pony thru the air on offense. End of story. We need to be better.

A true pro-style offense can be multiple, not just in sets, playcalls, spreading the football, etc...but more importantly it can be EITHER efficient or explosive when it needs to be. Your plays that you run to set up the explosive down-the-field shots need to be successful not only to set up the big one, but to keep the football and possess it (aka: methodical).

With our D sucking like it did the past 2 years, we didn't have an offense that could possess the football for 10+ plays at a time.

To get the whole story, look at the EX% (explosive drives) and the ME% (methodical drives) on the defensive metrics page. In 2013 DEFENSIVELY, we were 66th in the nation at EX% (meaning we were middle of the pack in giving up explosive plays - 13.2%). In ME%, our D was 103rd in the nation (18.4%), which means teams could go on long drives at will and we couldn't get off the field. Also, our defense gave up an unreal % of Value drives (VA% = % of opponent drives that reach at least the 30 - 45.2%), bad enough for 99th in the nation.

What sucks is knowing that we suck on D, and then expecting our offense to be explosive enough all the time to bail our asses out on D. Since our offense isn't methodical (NOTE--different from efficient) enough to do that, we had to lean on the explosive play, which didn't come often enough.

In order for us to win with this defense, our offensive numbers on EX/ME/VA% needed to look like South Carolina's (ranked 26/4/24). We needed to be more explosive, more methodical, and get more value out of our drives, which we didn't (6/85/32).

Look deeper into the metrics. Look less at adjusted effenciencies, and more at those EX/ME/VA%'s, because the explosive plays inflate the efficiency of the offense...it doesn't tell you anything about whether or not your offense can be more methodical with the football, and have high-value possessions.

 

[The Franchise]

What exactly about any of those tweets gives us cause for optimism?

He said Dale. What more do you need?

I'm sure all the black kids we are recruiting are fluent in the mexican lingo. Use of #Dale = automatic great HC.

 

[NateDogg]

the offense last year was very good, just outside elite

What kind of drugs are you on? Our offense was putrid. Flat out embarrassing.

Come on. The most you can say is that it was inconsistent, and some of that is due to the injuries we suffered. If our offense truly were "putrid", there is no way we would have won 9 games, because our defense is much, much worse.

I have no problem with this. That said, the offense could've done more to help the defense (and vice versa, but I think we all know that the defense wasn't really capable of that). Fisch did a better job with Morris, IMO. Coach Coley had his moments...the 4th Q against UNC was how the offense should have looked the entire season, IMO (and that was without Duke).

bravo...could not agree more. the strength of our team shold have been our o-line...we were built to run power but constantly went back to running stretch plays as a means to setting up big plays via play action. once again i think ou staff tried to force a square peg in a round whole...the silver lining was the UNC game and IIRC the g-tech game...where we went strictly to a power running game.

our line wasnt (and probably still isnt) built t run stretch plays/zone runs. We need to be a down hill team. If williams gets the nod next year (likely) our offense will probably look a lot different and his lack of arm strength is probably a blessing in disguise. Coley wont be enticed to call those long developing deep passes that require a stretch play action to succeed. We will probably see more quick slants off of play action similar to what green bay runs, which I am a fan of because it lends itselfto a power running game.

 

[rayray]

Come on. The most you can say is that it was inconsistent, and some of that is due to the injuries we suffered. If our offense truly were "putrid", there is no way we would have won 9 games, because our defense is much, much worse.

When considering the previous years success/what we had coming back, I stand by what I said.

Fine, lets objectively compare this year and last year.

From Football Outsiders:

Opponent adjusted offensive efficiency
2013: .473 (14th)
2012: .117 (47th)

Unadjusted offensive efficiency
2013: .223 (37th)
2012: .111 (49th)

First down rate
2013: .701 (50th)
2012: .701 (45th)

Explosive drives
2013: .236 (6th)
2012: .181 (21st)

Link: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/feioff2013

So, we were more efficient and explosive than last year. Yeah, our first down rate sucked. But guess what-- it also did in 2012!

leaving this thread on this note. more efficient AND more explosive. both of those two thing sound good to me.

thank u terra99pin for Getting It

 

[Canes239]

 

[nystateofmind]

 

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[Hurracanes]

What exactly about any of those tweets gives us cause for optimism?

He said Dale. What more do you need?

I'm sure all the black kids we are recruiting are fluent in the mexican lingo. Use of #Dale = automatic great HC.

Dale is a popular slang down here in Miami and it isn't Mexican. I think he is just showing is authenticity to Miami.

 

[nystateofmind]

 

[nystateofmind]

This dude is nuts. Glad he's on our side.

 

[Angry Ibis]

What exactly about any of those tweets gives us cause for optimism?

He said Dale. What more do you need?

I'm sure all the black kids we are recruiting are fluent in the mexican lingo. Use of #Dale = automatic great HC.

Dale is a popular slang down here in Miami and it isn't Mexican. I think he is just showing is authenticity to Miami.

How do you Dale is not Mexican? Do you know Dale? What if the Dale that Chise knows is in fact a Mexican?