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LoungeLord said:
I’m sorry, but who is going then accept a head coaching job here?
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I don’t understand this question. As a HC, what is the difference in who you answer to? To be honest, i rather have a boss dedicated to only my needs. Not spread out all over the institution. You fly commercial, sure you may have some perks as a frequent flyer but the airline still got other customers. But you have your own plane, its all about being on your schedule
 
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Dwinstitles said:
Why do all players want former players at these roles? That **** aint work at USC and im not a fan of friends taking care of friends. Did not listen to it so I dont know the context of it but I want a real AD with big ties to the SEC, same as a HC candidate. Thats just my opinion on it. Thats basically how I would hire. If u want to get back to winning, and if u have to fire people it wont be difficult cause its not friends firing friends or waiting to pull back the trigger because of friendships.
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All I need is LCE approval and I know in right...gg boys
 
Salt said:
So what? I was born Cuba. I lived in Miami. Married and had kids there. Tell me I am not a Miami guy.
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But I'm saying when he first came to UM he wasn't like a UM guy. He became a UM guy on the job is what I'm saying. He got hired as an outsider when he was with JJ. That's my point. U can hire an outsider and win it's possible. We tried the "UM" guy in Manny that's what everyone said but now that he's failed he's a Nole. He was as UM as UM gets and we few knew it was an epic bad hire. Yall can rewind and check my posts I thought it was a worse hire than Golden. I wasn't trying to be right I was stating what I knew would become facts. I believed that it was bad just like I think Kiffin would be a disaster.
 
Tad Footeball said:
Love all these guys but it's a flawed concept. A real AD wouldn't need and absolutely wouldn't want a "Football GM".

I think Zo is in the mindset of an NFL team structure with a GM, President of Football Operations, etc. I don't think that translates at all to a whole college athletics department. The "Football GM" could exist as an Associate AD but there would still need to be the hierarchy where the actual AD is above him on the organizational flow chart. Otherwise who would the "Football GM" answer to? Random boosters? Frenk? Football alum?
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The benefit would be greater focus - a football AD solely focused on football.

Also structural. I would want football compliance to be fully under the football GM.... not under the athletic department. Also, academic assistance would be separate. And I would want football finances to be totally separate from other sports - no shuttling money from football to women's volleyball or any other such nonsense. You eat what you kill - football keeps what it earns.

You separate out compliance, facilities, finances, and administration to just football, focused on a single mission. That's the benefit.
 
423Hurricane said:
I agree we’re way behind the times, but the culture of the city and the HS players in and around the city are still way different than the average college town.
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That doesn’t mean your hiring pool is limited to former players or people that have a Miami connection. We’ve tried that, and it has failed miserably over and over again. thats Also how we got our nepotistic culture…
 
Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
That doesn’t mean your hiring pool is limited to former players or people that have a Miami connection. We’ve tried that, and it has failed miserably over and over again. thats Also how we got our nepotistic culture…
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No doubt. But, if the right people are hired, it can work. That’s the key.
 
Tru C said:
I don’t understand this question. As a HC, what is the difference in who you answer to? To be honest, i rather have a boss dedicated to only my needs. Not spread out all over the institution. You fly commercial, sure you may have some perks as a frequent flyer but the airline still got other customers. But you have your own plane, its all about being on your schedule
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What is the difference who you answer too? Ever been an employee anywhere? So if you are a big time head coach, you are going to want a boss who's only job it is to micro manage you vs a clueless AD who is hands off and let's you be the boss of football? Because outside of giving you the budget you need, I can't think of why a head coach would ever want to hear another word out of an AD.
 
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LoungeLord said:
What is the difference who you answer too? Ever been an employee anywhere? So if you are a big time head coach, you are going to want a boss who's only job it is to micro manage you vs a clueless AD who is hands off and let's you be the boss of football? Because outside of giving you the budget you need, I can't think of why a head coach would ever want to hear another word out of an AD.
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Why are you assuming a micro manager? Richt felt we needed an IPF, of course we did. But he is the one who had to spearhead that. Whereas a GM would understand the resources and infrastructure needed to be elite and work on ensuring those things are in place without the HC having to worry. And thats one example.
 
Dwinstitles said:
But I'm saying when he first came to UM he wasn't like a UM guy. He became a UM guy on the job is what I'm saying. He got hired as an outsider when he was with JJ. That's my point. U can hire an outsider and win it's possible. We tried the "UM" guy in Manny that's what everyone said but now that he's failed he's a Nole. He was as UM as UM gets and we few knew it was an epic bad hire. Yall can rewind and check my posts I thought it was a worse hire than Golden. I wasn't trying to be right I was stating what I knew would become facts. I believed that it was bad just like I think Kiffin would be a disaster.
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Manny was not a UM guy, but yeah he’s from Miami. That doesn’t necessarily make you a Miami guy. But not being from Miami doesn’t exclude you either.

Is Ed Reed a Miami guy? Ken Dorsey? Gino Toretta? Lamar Thomas? Miami guy is about identification with the culture and a certain embrace of it. It’s not about a birth place.
 
Salt said:
Manny was not a UM guy, but yeah he’s from Miami. That doesn’t necessarily make you a Miami guy. But not being from Miami doesn’t exclude you either.

Is Ed Reed a Miami guy? Ken Dorsey? Gino Toretta? Lamar Thomas? Miami guy is about identification with the culture and a certain embrace of it. It’s not about a birth place.
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That's my point u become a Miami guy but u can hire outside of it
 
Dwinstitles said:
Morgan and those boys wouldnt be under the radar anymore bruh its a different time, so me and u will never agree based on that. U guys think those guys will be under the radar I believe they would not be under the radar in these times. Since we have that disagreement we will always have different opinions about it
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I am talking about ability to scout talent… Which I think Highsmith and Morgan would be able to do w their NFL experience..: Not find diamonds in the rough, just find the correct guys who are not highly rated
 
MizCane said:
So my guess is Zo or Toretta want to be GM of football under James? Only way that works is if they call all the shots on hiring and firing. Otherwise we have another mascot like Reed just to appease people.
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I think the structure that makes sense with those two is.

Torreta AD (business background)
Zo Football GM (NFL front office background)
 
SBERG said:
On the show last night Lamar brought up the point about why a Really good Coach would want to come here... His point was Miami is not a destination school for Coaches who want to get paid well... We just don't do it here.. With that said things could change but so far they haven't... Richt was our ceiling so far for Coaches at 4M.... And honestly we got a "Alum" discount for him... At that time he coulda got more somewhere else...
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It's not a destination if you're purely motivated by money.

At the end of the day it's an opportunity to build a monster team in a fantastic location.

If you'd prefer to make $1m a year in Bum****, USA then you're not the right guy.
 
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Torocane said:
I think the structure that makes sense with those two is.

Torreta AD (business background)
Zo Football GM (NFL front office background)
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And to add to this, they are well respected in their own right. There should be no objection or concern by the Admin about bringing back to the football program those parts of the past which clearly scare them.
 
Dwinstitles said:
That's my point u become a Miami guy but u can hire outside of it
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Sure but what is wrong with hiring say a Toretta or a Morgan, bringing in a Dorsey? They were outsiders at one point and became Miami guys. The issue of course is competency. Outsiders (Coker, Golden, Erickson) can be as incompetent as Insiders like Shannon, or Diaz. Being a Miami guy doesn’t necessarily make one unfit for the job anymore an outsider makes you a good fit.
 
Salt said:
If a Torretta/Zo combination come in James is out it would seem to me. He can still have some fund raising role though. Torretta would fill the AD role and Zo be heading up football. Maybe as an "asst. AD" for football. Lamar brought up the example of the Louisville Athletic dept. having an AD and various asst. ADs for each sport. So the model is not unique.
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I also liked what Mel B said. Toretta as AD and Zo as football GM. He added that he’s talked to Zo and told him doing AD and football is too much…needs to be divided.
 
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