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Dwinstitles said:
Why do all players want former players at these roles? That **** aint work at USC and im not a fan of friends taking care of friends. Did not listen to it so I dont know the context of it but I want a real AD with big ties to the SEC, same as a HC candidate. Thats just my opinion on it. Thats basically how I would hire. If u want to get back to winning, and if u have to fire people it wont be difficult cause its not friends firing friends or waiting to pull back the trigger because of friendships.
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According to Zo and Mel and even LT, the premise of having former players in those roles is because of the unique culture at the U and the city and surrounding areas in general. Zo mentioned how JJ got it and allowed the players to be themselves but also held them accountable for results on the field - both practice and game day.
 
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Dwinstitles said:
These players almost talk like part of the delusional fan base. NFL GM and AD jobs are completely different animals. They sound like the bring Dorsey to HC or OC with Ray Lewis linebacker coach. Sorry to break it to u delusional fans that **** won't work. It would be a monumental disaster of epic proportion ruining our legacy of players because of fan negative feedback (I would be leading that charge of course)

Bring me SEC type experience at AD and HC....alpha's who do all and anything to win and give them the budget to make any move they please. Gut the hiring committee and hire goons....no more Vilma trying to hire Strong or Richt.....bring in guys that are good at those jobs and have work under successful SEC guys. It's that fuqin simple yet UM seems to be stuck in the mud along with numerous fan who drool like Diaz.
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The problem with bringing someone from the SEC brand..is that they will make it very clear to Frenk and whoever else is in power at UM, that this is a football school now. Yes, academics are important too but Football rules all and that has to be the mindset moving forward. Not sure that will fly with some people although that line of thinking is perfectly fine with me. That is the mindset schools like Bama, UGA, Clemson, LSU, etc have and its worked.
 
Don’t see why it wouldn’t work. These kids are pros. They make money. They have marketing agents. Only different is they don’t have an on paper salary and they go to class(sometimes)
 
423Hurricane said:
According to Zo and Mel and even LT, the premise of having former players in those roles is because of the unique culture at the U and the city and surrounding areas in general. Zo mentioned how JJ got it and allowed the players to be themselves but also held them accountable for results on the field - both practice and game day.
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It's really the players that built the thing, not a "strong" AD. They built it in spite of the admin. They want to continue the legacy. We are not an SEC type school or organization. Never were nor will. UM as a football powerhouse was never supposed to happen and was almost miraculous.

These ex-players should be welcomed if they want to help in whatever capacity. Besides the fans, no one else gives a cr@p and they do carry some financial clout to make some things happen. If they f' it up it's really their's to f' up. We are not getting any big time SEC type AD or coach. Why would they want it? It's a canes thing. They wouldn't understand.
 
Salt said:
is everything a catastrophic situation for you? All or nothing? I think we all agree change is needed. You seem like the dude that is always under the dark cloud getting drenched on. It's ok to have a little hope man.
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No it's not in saying my opinion to go hire real ADs. This whole is he a UM guy is stupid af imo
 
IMO multiple issues are being thrown together as one. Even if Zo were hired as the football GM, who does he report to? What happens to the other sports, ae we are going to let Blake hire those coaches? Is The BOT going to recognize/permit us to be a football school? Will they spend the money necessary?

To me, we would of course be better off with Zo, assuming he has the authority. But we are still putting a band aid on some very big problems, i.e. the AD and the direction/commitment of the school.
 
Dwinstitles said:
No it's not in saying my opinion to go hire real ADs. This whole is he a UM guy is stupid af imo
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that's fine...but I think the issue is who can come in there and really understand the tradition and legacy that was carried on the backs of the players? Would you have complained if they had hired Butch 2.0 instead of Richt? He was a "UM guy".
 
Tad Footeball said:
Love all these guys but it's a flawed concept. A real AD wouldn't need and absolutely wouldn't want a "Football GM".

I think Zo is in the mindset of an NFL team structure with a GM, President of Football Operations, etc. I don't think that translates at all to a whole college athletics department. The "Football GM" could exist as an Associate AD but there would still need to be the hierarchy where the actual AD is above him on the organizational flow chart. Otherwise who would the "Football GM" answer to? Random boosters? Frenk? Football alum?
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NIL broke this.
 
Dwinstitles said:
These players almost talk like part of the delusional fan base. NFL GM and AD jobs are completely different animals. They sound like the bring Dorsey to HC or OC with Ray Lewis linebacker coach. Sorry to break it to u delusional fans that **** won't work. It would be a monumental disaster of epic proportion ruining our legacy of players because of fan negative feedback (I would be leading that charge of course)

Bring me SEC type experience at AD and HC....alpha's who do all and anything to win and give them the budget to make any move they please. Gut the hiring committee and hire goons....no more Vilma trying to hire Strong or Richt.....bring in guys that are good at those jobs and have work under successful SEC guys. It's that fuqin simple yet UM seems to be stuck in the mud along with numerous fan who drool like Diaz.
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Again NIL will break this mindset
 
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supacane said:
How can it be flawed when the AD is responsible for all other sports. Bring a football person to deal with only football. Other schools have that. Some schools have AD's and they don't care anything about other sports except football as that is the money. Miami treats it like a red headed step child. We are a joke
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Because we just need an AD to put 90% of their focus on money sports like football, not an entirely new position. The fact that James and those above don’t care about football is the problem. That won’t be fixed by adding another role, they just need to do the job like Al other successful programs do it
 
And JJ and Butch were outsiders at first
Salt said:
that's fine...but I think the issue is who can come in there and really understand the tradition and legacy that was carried on the backs of the players? Would you have complained if they had hired Butch 2.0 instead of Richt? He was a "UM guy".
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Butch already had proved he can stack of course i would say hire him and be fine, I have seen what he can do
 
SpikeUM said:
IMO multiple issues are being thrown together as one. Even if Zo were hired as the football GM, who does he report to? What happens to the other sports, ae we are going to let Blake hire those coaches? Is The BOT going to recognize/permit us to be a football school? Will they spend the money necessary?

To me, we would of course be better off with Zo, assuming he has the authority. But we are still putting a band aid on some very big problems, i.e. the AD and the direction/commitment of the school.
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I totally agree. Blake needs to go and i doubt he and Zo are on the same page so something would have to give. We need a new AD but one that is amenable to having someone like a Zo oversee football and have some authority. Zo and the guys that came in his class started this whole thing and put Miami football on the map. Fitting that they should finish the job they started. However, it would take a unique AD to allow this type of structure. It's not unprecedented as ADs can have asst. ADs that oversee individual programs. Zo would be more like a co-AD for the football side but would have to answer to someone if not the actual AD.
 
Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
Because we just need an AD to put 90% of their focus on money sports like football, not an entirely new position. The fact that James and those above don’t care about football is the problem. That won’t be fixed by adding another role, they just need to do the job like Al other successful programs do it
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Actually it would change. If a Football person comes in with clear requirements and the ability to make decisions without interference thats a change. If they are coming in like Ed Reed, yes its the same
 
I'm against the "GM of the football program" idea. It won't fix what's ailing the Canes right now.

The entire athletic department needs to be overhauled. Having a former player "overseeing" the football team is like slapping a band-aid on a compound fracture -- it ain't going to solve the underlying problem.
 
423Hurricane said:
According to Zo and Mel and even LT, the premise of having former players in those roles is because of the unique culture at the U and the city and surrounding areas in general. Zo mentioned how JJ got it and allowed the players to be themselves but also held them accountable for results on the field - both practice and game day.
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I thought it was a great point.
 
Football pretty much pays the bills for the other sports, yes? Football is the most recognized brand at Miami, yes? If not for football, Miami would be a little known school, yes?

Well, why not have ONE ☝️ person, solely focused on that valuable commodity only? It does not have to be a Miami guy.

I have worked in a place where there is an Assistant Director (AD). Under the AD is a Deputy Assistant Director (DAD) over operations and another DAD over administration. They both answer to the AD.

I see no reason why Blake or someone else cant be the AD over all other sports and one other person be the Football Director or GM only over football. What you are saying is that football is too important to be handled by someone who is responsible for 15 other sports because those other sports are dependent upon football to pay the bills.
 
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Dwinstitles said:
And JJ and Butch were outsiders at first

Butch already had proved he can stack of course i would say hire him and be fine, I have seen what he can do
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Butch was a "Miami guy" when hired as an HC.
 
supacane said:
Actually it would change. If a Football person comes in with clear requirements and the ability to make decisions without interference thats a change. If they are coming in like Ed Reed, yes its the same
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Really? A football AD under the current admin and alongside James would be a change? Not even close. If the admin doesn’t care enough now, why would they care enough to hire a new football position? One added position won’t change the clown show that is miamis athletic dept
 
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