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WanderFranco said:
Not sure what the snark is going to accomplish. If you're a "win now or else bro" type of fan, you're probably going to be disappointed and calling for a new coach all year.
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It's not or else. It's don't make excuses if you dont. The culture or personnenl are not valid excuses/explanations/rationale however you chose to define it. All of that can be changed in a 2 year span. Nobody on our schedule should be blowing us out and embarrassing us in year 2. If we lose a couple of competitve games so be it.
 
cway313 said:
It's not or else. It's don't make excuses if you dont. The culture or personnenl are not valid excuses/explanations/rationale however you chose to define it. All of that can be changed in a 2 year span.
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The problem is you consider real issues to be "excuses". That's where all of the fighting comes from around here. Dude commits a bonehead penalty that costs 7 points....."WHY ARENT THE COACHES TEACHING THEM".
 
WanderFranco said:
The problem is you consider real issues to be "excuses". That's where all of the fighting comes from around here. Dude commits a bonehead penalty that costs 7 points....."WHY ARENT THE COACHES TEACHING THEM".
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No i consider "Mario doesnt have his guys", "We had Gattis calling plays", "Other schools are overpaying", "Culture", etc..... as excuses because they are. Mario had the same opportunity as those other coaches to revamp program. He failed to do so in year 1 and using any of those in year 2 is pathetic.
 
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cway313 said:
None of that has much relevance in my argument. Motivating players and hiring competant staff members are the defincies Mario created. Team morale is not as big a piece as you guys want to believe. Winning cures all isn’t just a saying.
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Of course it doesn't. The two situations aren't the same yet you're comparing them as if they were. Dabo didn't suddenly forget how to motivate players or hire competent staff members.
 
cway313 said:
No i consider "Mario doesnt have his guys", "We had Gattis calling plays", "Other schools are overpaying", "Culture", etc..... as excuses because they are. Mario had the same opportunity as those other coaches to revamp program. He failed to do so in year 1 and using any of those in year 2 is pathetic.
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Got it. So what is acceptable this year? Win the ACC? If we don't, do we go shopping for our version of Justin Fuente, who was supposed to "push everyone's &^%$ in?"
 
JD08 said:
Of course it doesn't. The two situations aren't the same yet you're comparing them as if they were. Dabo didn't suddenly forget how to motivate players or hire competent staff members.
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I can assure no one in the DUKE FOOTBALL front office expected to be beating Clemson in year 2. Clemson is much farther ahead in every capacity. The bar for Miami is set low because of the excuses made around the program all of which fall on the HC shoulders.

Elko didnt inherit a loaded roster. He brought in the right coaches and got his team to believe in his messaging. That's what coaching is about. If we can't be competitive in year 2 the reason won't be "players and culture".
 
WanderFranco said:
This is absolutely not true. Good lord. Coaches are alpha males. They absolutely expected to win.
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Uh Huh Sure GIF
 
cway313 said:
I'm sure DUKE FOOTBALL goes into every year expecting to compete for Nattys. Nvm pal.
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Why did you change your statement? Beating Clemson at home in September is not the same as winning a Natty. If you have to change that quickly, maybe your original point was pretty bad.
 
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cway313 said:
I can assure no one in the DUKE FOOTBALL front office expected to be beating Clemson in year 2. Clemson is much farther ahead in every capacity. The bar for Miami is set low because of the excuses made around the program all of which fall on the HC shoulders.

Elko didnt inherit a loaded roster. He brought in the right coaches and got his team to believe in his messaging. That's what coaching is about. If we can't be competitive in year 2 the reason won't be "players and culture".
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I'm not saying he inherited a loaded roster, I'm saying Cutcliffe was more selective and ran a tighter ship than Manny. Thus left a better overall situation.

I'm not praising Mario, nor am I taking anything away from Elko. I'm simply stating you're making comparisons that aren't exactly 1:1.
 
JD08 said:
I'm not saying he inherited a loaded roster, I'm saying Cutcliffe was more selective and ran a tighter ship than Manny. Thus left a better overall situation.

I'm not praising Mario, nor am I taking anything away from Elko. I'm simply stating you're making comparisons that aren't exactly 1:1.
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Did Mario have an opportunity to clean house and start fresh? Did Mario have opportunity to hire better coordinators? 5-10 years ago that would be valid but in 1 or 2 years you can absolutely transform a team. Anyone that believes or tries to argue differently is a white knight. But I wont elaborate further I faught too hard to get back.
 
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