CJ Bailey needs to come home

[Suhrthing]

Does he even want to be here? So he wasn’t recruited hard by us outta HS, but he did have a committable didn’t he? Why the change of heart - because we were barely mid before and now back to back double-digit win seasons?

 

[BeastMode]

Plan C QB. Too many better options in the portal

 

[rascon]

QB A-
3175 yards
26 TDs
10 INTs
74.5%
33 rushing yards
1 rushing TD
79.7 QBR

QB B-
3105 yards
25 TDs
9 INTs
68.8%
215 rushing yards
6 rushing TDs
79.2 QBR

QB A is Beck this year on a much better team
AB B is Bailey

Same conference. Similar schedule.

Bailey is a little less accurate but has a much better run game.

Bailey wouldn't be my first choice but I'll bet he'd have a better year here than Beck did this year.

NC State played the easier part of the conference.

But if you REALLY want to play this game, I think we played 3 of the same oppoonents (so that takes out the disaster of the game he had against us) and just focus on the actual common opponents

Notre Dame, Pitt and VT

Beck has 9-1 td/int ratio, 70/91 (77%) for 790 yards,
3-0 record, 33 ppg

Bailey has 6-3 td/int ratio, 67/94 (70%) for 851yards
0-3 record, 20 ppg

My point is this, Beck has the one dud (SMU wasn’t on him) but he’s been better than given credit for.
Betting on Bailey is a major bet on him taking sizable leaps if we are to maintain momentum as a team.

We will find out soon enough and like i said, it seems like a foregone conclusion that it’s going to be Bailey.

 

[JHallCanes]

Maybe because he’s not in the portal so people have zero clue to zone in on him… I’m sure if you brought the Cal QB they wouldn’t have an opinion either.

Baileys played pretty well with the talent around him in the same conference… it’s projectable that with a better oline, WRs, RBs and TEs he would be elevated. I will say I wouldn’t pay him Beck money hes not a reset the QB market dude don’t get me pushing it that far

Nah you’re making a lot of wrong assumptions here but you’re a good poster so I won’t be a ****

I wouldn’t have said it if it was just hating on the kid

If we were gonna take a QB that looked horrible against us and Notre Dame I like the kid from Pitt

Plus it would **** off Narduzzi

 

[DMoney]

NC State played the easier part of the conference.

 

[canecrazy23]

NC State played the easier part of the conference.

But if you REALLY want to play this game, I think we played 3 of the same oppoonents (so that takes out the disaster of the game he had against us) and just focus on the actual common opponents

Notre Dame, Pitt and VT

Beck has 9-1 td/int ratio, 70/91 (77%) for 790 yards,
3-0 record, 33 ppg

Bailey has 6-3 td/int ratio, 67/94 (70%) for 851yards
0-3 record, 20 ppg

My point is this, Beck has the one dud (SMU wasn’t on him) but he’s been better than given credit for.
Betting on Bailey is a major bet on him taking sizable leaps if we are to maintain momentum as a team.

We will find out soon enough and like i said, it seems like a foregone conclusion that it’s going to be Bailey.

The ones trying to compare the stats between Beck and Bailey don't want this info put out there. LOL

 

[RomeoJunior]

He doesn't have what it takes to go to the next level. It's not just throwing ability. It's all the rest.

Our concern would be having him play spectacular on THIS level, not the next, though, right?

 

[ssvir]

Be honest with us .... you're getting a monthly PR stipend from the Bailey family right?

So which narrative of yours on Bailey does this tweet support b/c I'm confused?

A) he had a terrible supporting cast so that's why he struggled mightily in games against the best teams
B) he had a really solid supporting cast that allowed NCST to win 8 games against a top schedule
C) he is superman and willed them to 8 wins.

To be clear, I'm not 100% against Bailey but I think there are better options unless he is paid $2M and the other $2M is used for 5* Portal guys.

 

[Yoyo423]

NC State played the easier part of the conference.

But if you REALLY want to play this game, I think we played 3 of the same oppoonents (so that takes out the disaster of the game he had against us) and just focus on the actual common opponents

Notre Dame, Pitt and VT

Beck has 9-1 td/int ratio, 70/91 (77%) for 790 yards,
3-0 record, 33 ppg

Bailey has 6-3 td/int ratio, 67/94 (70%) for 851yards
0-3 record, 20 ppg

My point is this, Beck has the one dud (SMU wasn’t on him) but he’s been better than given credit for.
Betting on Bailey is a major bet on him taking sizable leaps if we are to maintain momentum as a team.

We will find out soon enough and like i said, it seems like a foregone conclusion that it’s going to be Bailey.

That's easily offset by comparing the offensive talent for both teams. Especially the OL...

Bailey played behind a much worse OL with much less talent overall than Beck.

you put him behind a better OL, give him more time to throw, better blocking for RBs, and more separation for his WRs, and his stats will improve.

 

[Yoyo423]

The ones trying to compare the stats between Beck and Bailey don't want this info put out there. LOL

Beck had way more talent to protect him and give him time to throw.... so if Bailey is even comparable in stats, against comparable talent, it's safe to assume he would be better with more time to throw, less pressure overall, and better run blockers as well.

 

[rascon]

And NC state went 5-4 in those games and you have to include Memphis and ECU to get to 5 wins.

The only thing this shows is that he had a surrounding cast that is better than some people are giving for in an attempt to prop up Bailey.

Top 2 rb, 2 P4 options at WR, including a five star. He had a cast. He didn’t sheer will them to 9 wins by himself, at all.

Again, I think it’s obvious this is the guy we have been back channeling. So imma root for him to win Heisman.

But nobody has said anything to make me think he is our best option. At. All.

If we bring him, I think we need to bring in another top WR1a so that his floor can be playoff. Take nothing to chance.

 

[canecrazy23]

Beck had way more talent to protect him and give him time to throw.... so if Bailey is even comparable in stats, against comparable talent, it's safe to assume he would be better with more time to throw, less pressure overall, and better run blockers as well.

 

[rascon]

That's easily offset by comparing the offensive talent for both teams. Especially the OL...

Bailey played behind a much worse OL with much less talent overall than Beck.

you put him behind a better OL, give him more time to throw, better blocking for RBs, and more separation for his WRs, and his stats will improve.

He didn’t have scrubs for supporting cast. That’s propaganda. He had a top 2 portal rb (over the Texas rbs) and two WRs that will go to better programs - one was a former 5 star.

You all are making assumptions in growth based on opinions that aren’t facts.

 

[RomeoJunior]

I am truly on the fence with this Bailey kid and think his development can go either way.

He can be a star or he can be a major bust.

He's already shown to not be a bust, though.

The ones trying to compare the stats between Beck and Bailey don't want this info put out there. LOL

Beck's out of eligibility IIRC. No?

His play basically threw away 2 games (and potentially the postseason) for us.

We were lucky to advance and the game that got us to the next round in the CFP, he didn't play well.

I hope we're not looking at numbers and trying to pretend Beck's been spectacular or something.


I cant even count the number of balls WRs have had to reach back for. Appreciate that he's here with us for the next game, but I cant close my eyes and pretend like he's Cam.

 

[RomeoJunior]

He didn’t have scrubs for supporting cast. That’s propaganda. He had a top 2 portal rb (over the Texas rbs) and two WRs that will go to better programs - one was a former 5 star.

You all are making assumptions in growth based on opinions that aren’t facts.

So taking away the QBs,....NC State is just a hair under our offense, talent-wise?

 

[Yoyo423]

He didn’t have scrubs for supporting cast. That’s propaganda. He had a top 2 portal rb (over the Texas rbs) and two WRs that will go to better programs - one was a former 5 star.

You all are making assumptions in growth based on opinions that aren’t facts.

what about the single most important unit for QBs to succeed.. the OL? pressure rate allowed? run blocking grade?

 

[Yoyo423]

And NC state went 5-4 in those games and you have to include Memphis and ECU to get to 5 wins.

The only thing this shows is that he had a surrounding cast that is better than some people are giving for in an attempt to prop up Bailey.

Top 2 rb, 2 P4 options at WR, including a five star. He had a cast. He didn’t sheer will them to 9 wins by himself, at all.

Again, I think it’s obvious this is the guy we have been back channeling. So imma root for him to win Heisman.

But nobody has said anything to make me think he is our best option. At. All.

If we bring him, I think we need to bring in another top WR1a so that his floor can be playoff. Take nothing to chance.

I don't think he's our best option.. but I do think he could easily be an UPGRADE over Beck.... Beck was basically a game manager this year...

Bailey is in his 2nd year starting behind a mediocre OL at 19 or 20 years old
Beck is in his 6th year in CFB, 3rd year starting, behind an ELITE pass blocking OL and 24 years old.. and he just won a CFP game with 100 yards passing... we didn't need much from him this year...

give Bailey a better OL and another year and he should improve signicantly....

let me ask you this, do you think Bailey could have had a better game against TAMU than Beck did? I would rather have had Bailey...

 

[rascon]

I don't think he's our best option.. but I do think he could easily be an UPGRADE over Beck.... Beck was basically a game manager this year...

Bailey is in his 2nd year starting behind a mediocre OL at 19 or 20 years old
Beck is in his 6th year in CFB, 3rd year starting, behind an ELITE pass blocking OL and 24 years old.. and he just won a CFP game with 100 yards passing... we didn't need much from him this year...

give Bailey a better OL and another year and he should improve signicantly....

let me ask you this, do you think Bailey could have had a better game against TAMU than Beck did? I would rather have had Bailey...

If we had Bailey this year, we would NOT been in the playoff at all.

 

[rascon]

what about the single most important unit for QBs to succeed.. the OL? pressure rate allowed? run blocking grade?

I get that. I do. But I look and see how did they process? Bailey had deer in headlights look.

Show me something in those games that makes me believe he is a gamer that doesn’t get blown out.

 

[ssvir]

I don't think he's our best option.. but I do think he could easily be an UPGRADE over Beck.... Beck was basically a game manager this year...

Bailey is in his 2nd year starting behind a mediocre OL at 19 or 20 years old
Beck is in his 6th year in CFB, 3rd year starting, behind an ELITE pass blocking OL and 24 years old.. and he just won a CFP game with 100 yards passing... we didn't need much from him this year...

give Bailey a better OL and another year and he should improve signicantly....

let me ask you this, do you think Bailey could have had a better game against TAMU than Beck did? I would rather have had Bailey...

I'm going to refer to you as Bailey #5 .... like when tech unicorns refer to their employee number in the company.