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TwentySix said:
So no QB drafted high can be a bad pick as long as they’re athletic with a big arm?…
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You can easily bust out drafting on measurables, those are the guys that can(and do) get GMs fired. That said, drafting guys that lack that superlative ability super early can and will get you fired as well, without the possible upside. If you are going to spend first round money on a QB, you better end up with a legit franchise player, or someone with the physical ability to be a game changer. Fernando Mendoza doesn't have that physical ability, it would be akin to drafting a less successful Matt Leinart first overall, and we saw how much Matt struggled in the NFL. Mendoza is the kind of guy you take in the 2-3rd round, and he finds a way to ball out in preseason and takes the job.
 
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Canedude08 said:
You can easily bust out drafting on measurables, those are the guys that can(and do) get GMs fired. That said, drafting guys that lack that superlative ability super early can and will get you fired as well, without the possible upside. If you are going to spend first round money on a QB, you better end up with a legit franchise player, or someone with the physical ability to be a game changer. Fernando Mendoza doesn't have that physical ability, it would be akin to drafting a less successful Matt Leinart first overall, and we saw how much Matt struggled in the NFL. Mendoza is the kind of guy you take in the 2-3rd round, and he finds a way to ball out in preseason and takes the job.
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I’m not disagreeing with that, I don’t think Mendoza will ever be a quality NFL starter. It’s more that Richardson and Lance (Richardson in particular) was just straight up not a good qb in college. That was a bad pick, period. I don’t care how athletic he was lol
 
Canedude08 said:
I think GMs are so incredibly desperate for QBs, that they will anoint anyone, even physically limited, albeit talented college QBs, in the hope that they can hit the lottery.
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But why are they focused on Mendoza? It's not because he's from Miami.

For all the mistakes GMs make, it's still a first round league. Look at guys like Darnold, Mayfield, Goff and Jones having success at their second stops. The guys who don't go first round at QB have a very small chance of success.

The Anthony Richardson comparisons are weak to me because he wasn't even good in college. I thought he'd bust and so did a ton of other people. Mendoza is an much better college player by any measure- stats (17 TDs/2 INTs), team success (#3 ranking and 2-0 versus ranked teams), and national recognition.

I don't know if Mendoza will be a great pro. That's the elite of the elite. But he's obviously a great college player that would break the bank if he went back in the Portal.
 
DMoney said:
Tua was an elite college quarterback and, even with his flaws, has been one of the Top 15-20 QBs on earth the past few years.

I'd kill for Tua on the Canes and so would anybody else.
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Tua is also a guy whose major flaw(size) got him in trouble with injuries. The issue with Tua is that no one could have predicted that he would be a concussion case. Tua is a guy that is good enough to be a NFL starter, but I don't believe that is good enough to be a franchise QB. That's an awful spot to be in, you have a QB that is good enough for you to pay, but you'll end up overpaying, which affects the team you can put around him, which limits how effective he can be anyway.

It's better to have a terrible QB, to where you know you need to roll the dice on someone new, instead of always being stuck in the middle, where you can't truly get the high end draft picks, that can make you better. Take it from this frustrated Cowboys fan, being 9-8 every year isn't exciting. Difference makers are so incredibly rare, GMs will roll the dice in the hope they hit on a guy like Josh Allen. They are so rare, people will take guys like Anthony Richardson or Trey Lance in the hopes that professional coaching can correct what all of us saw with our own two eyes; Neither Anthony or Trey had any business being a NFL starting QB.
 
Canedude08 said:
Tua is also a guy whose major flaw(size) got him in trouble with injuries. The issue with Tua is that no one could have predicted that he would be a concussion case. Tua is a guy that is good enough to be a NFL starter, but I don't believe that is good enough to be a franchise QB. That's an awful spot to be in, you have a QB that is good enough for you to pay, but you'll end up overpaying, which affects the team you can put around him, which limits how effective he can be anyway.
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I agree with you as a Dolphins fan. But that doesn't diminish how dominant he was in college. It's a weird example to use against a college player.
 
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DMoney said:
But why are they focused on Mendoza? It's not because he's from Miami.

For all the mistakes GMs make, it's still a first round league. Look at guys like Darnold, Mayfield, Goff and Jones having success at their second stops. The guys who don't go first round at QB have a very small chance of success.

The Anthony Richardson comparisons are weak to me because he wasn't even good in college. I thought he'd bust and so did a ton of other people. Mendoza is an much better college player by any measure- stats (17 TDs/2 INTs), team success (#3 ranking and 2-0 versus ranked teams), and national recognition.

I don't know if Mendoza will be a great pro. That's the elite of the elite. But he's obviously a great college player that would break the bank if he went back in the Portal.
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They are focused on Mendoza because no one is truly doing any deep dives at this stage of the process. It's the same thing we saw with Shedeur Sanders. People just saying "Oh, there's some guy that is putting up huge numbers, he must be good", and then once they start actually watching film, they realize "Hey, Shedeur has okay, but not elite arm talent and their offense is predicated around bubble screens and quick game". Mendoza is very similar, he's a very good college player, I don't know if his lack of arm talent translates to the next level.
 
There is no real superstar QB this season. None. There are a few good game manager type QBs who are smart and on occasion can make wow throws.

Every week someone else is the “Flavor of the week” because of this. It’s Mendoza’s turn because Indiana beat the media darling Oregon.
 
DMoney said:
I agree with you as a Dolphins fan. But that doesn't diminish how dominant he was in college. It's a weird example to use against a college player.
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Yes, he was dominant in college, but being dominant in college, and being a legit NFL player can be two different things. There have been a lot of very good collegiate QBs that have failed at the next level, USC was an assembly line for QB busts for awhile, Penn State had it going with running backs for **** near two decades at one point.

We came to realize that Tua was able to dominate in college because he was rarely touched, while he has a live arm, his lack of size means that if you start getting to him, there's a good chance he'll break, and that's what happened. Don't get me wrong, Tua is a legit NFL starter, but in a world where you can break your cap paying a NFL starting QB, it's a bad place to be. You want a franchise QB, that gives you the best chance at winning. If you are going to pay Josh Allen money, you better be getting someone that can carry your team, even if you have middling talent around them. Tua isn't that kind of player, same with Trevor Lawrence. The issue is that they aren't terrible enough for you to get rid of, but you can't win with them, because you have to pay them. You're merely treading water with these guys, hoping you hit the lottery in the draft....
 
Canedude08 said:
Mendoza is very similar, he's a very good college player, I don't know if his lack of arm talent translates to the next level.
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I'm good with this take. I don't know if Mendoza will succeed in the pros. I just know he's a dude at this level.
 
Tua avoiding the system qb label will never stop being perplexing to me.

But I get it, if you always thought he was propped up by his supporting cast and never threw into an nfl window his entire college career you’re just wrong, despite all of the evidence since he started playing on a level field.
 
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DMoney said:
I'm fine with this take. I don't know if he'll succeed in the pros. I just know he's good now.
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Unless I'm missing something, I don't think any of us are saying that he isn't good right now. What we are saying is that it's entering irrational take territory with some. Fernando Mendoza is a very good collegiate QB(and if he entered the portal again, he would easily be the most expensive player available), but it's also obvious where his flaws are. There's a reason that the moment IU started playing legit competition, his numbers fell back to earth. Let's compare that to someone like Cam Ward, who lit up **** near everyone.

Now, some of that is because there's an obvious difference in regards to talent at IU, compared to Miami, but it's also because of Mendoza's lack of top end arm talent. What he does well, he does very well, but he's limited.
 
DMoney said:
Sellers is my favorite of all these guys including Mendoza, both for college and NFL. Elite tools and great character.
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I need to see more of him, but he's certainly an explosive player.

Would certainly add a new dimension to our offense.
 
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