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DMoney said:
Mendoza is going to be a first round pick of the NFL. That is the highest level. As for dinking and dunking, he averages 10 yards per attempt.

South Florida has nothing to do with it. He gets more hype from national guys than he gets on here. If he was from Austin, Texas, we'd be begging for him.

I think you're placing too much of an emphasis on stats and not enough on tools and ability. Those G5 Johnny College guys without physical ability get exposed in the playoffs against real defenses.

The case for Bailey is simple: 6'6, strong arm, fast, accurate, started as a true freshman, good character, two years of eligibility. He's already made real strength and technique gains in college. I see an upward trajectory.

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Whether or not Mendoza gets picked in the 1st round isn't an actual testament to his ability. Teams overdraft at QB because the NFL is a QB league & GM's are always one pick away from either having a franchise guy for 10+ years, or getting fired. Most 1st round QB's end up as busts, mainly because they were overdrafted.

And how can you say I'm placing too much emphasis on stats, while using the fact that Mendoza averages 10 yards per pass as apart of your argument?

Him being from South FL literally has everything to do with it. You've made multiple threads with that as the primary theme.

If Mendoza was from Austin TX & putting up those numbers, he would be getting the Cade Klubnik treatment right now. I wouldn't be begging for him because I don’t like or want average QB's, regardless of where they come from. My whole point, is I want the BEST... Not based on a curve, but based on what they actually can do.

I've watched Mendoza plenty at Cal & Indiana, in both places he's been at his very best slightly above average.

And for me, it's not just stats, I watch QB's quite a bit & only a handful around the Nation have the arm talent & capability to play above the constraints of whatever system they're in. Mendoza & Bailey, are not those types. They're system QB's; when things are scripted & laid out perfectly for them, they can succeed when they're surrounded by good talent. But when all the chips are down & you ask them to put them team on their back, make something happen that goes beyond just playing in pristine circumstances, they don't have that.

As far as the playoffs is concerned, that has everything to do with the team & not just the QB. Will Howard & Riley Leonard were both average QB's who played on teams loaded with talent; The G5 Johnny QB's as you put, don't get exposed in the playoffs, their teams do. But in the league, those Checkdown Charlie's get exposed more than anybody because they can't hide behind their teams anymore.

Again, Mendoza & Bailey are being judged on a low bar; the reason why they even get discussed on here is because of where they were born & grew up: Transpose their numbers & ability on QB's from anywhere else in America & they would never come up in conversation on this board.

Darian Mensah is a big kid, with big arm, smart, mobile & has great numbers, yet hardly anyone ever advocates for him to be a potential Portal add, why? Not from South FL.
 
Steve44 said:
Miami needs to have their ducks in a row and ready to rock for end of season, cause there is no spring window. Better start playing back channels on the next QB by end of October and early November. Our OFF line, RBs, WR, and TE gonna be stacked again next year. We need a serious highly competent QB to take the reins. This roster cant afford 1-2 years of development. The Def Line and DBs are also gonna be stacked. Win now mode again in 2026
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Until people starting entering the draft, that is when Miami will start deciding who they want
 
Memnon said:
Mendoza & Bailey are both average QB's who dink & dunk their way through games.

They're not high level passers & are not team elevators.

You only hype them up because they're from South FL, but realistically speaking they're nothing more than glorified game managers.

They'll give 200+ a game & 2 tuddy's, but there's absolutely nothing special about either one of them.

If they were from anywhere else, you would never even watch them.

The bar is so low, that anything they do that isn't complete failure gets paraded.

Mendoza is not going to win the Heisman. He maybe could get drafted in 1st round, but that has more to do with dumb NFL GM's who overdraft the position due to desperation in a QB needy league.
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Super facts
 
Memnon said:
Whether or not Mendoza gets picked in the 1st round isn't an actual testament to his ability. Teams overdraft at QB because the NFL is a QB league & GM's are always one pick away from either having a franchise guy for 10+ years, or getting fired. Most 1st round QB's end up as busts, mainly because they were overdrafted.

And how can you say I'm placing too much emphasis on stats, while using the fact that Mendoza averages 10 yards per pass as apart of your argument?

Him being from South FL literally has everything to do with it. You've made multiple threads with that as the primary theme.

If Mendoza was from Austin TX & putting up those numbers, he would be getting the Cade Klubnik treatment right now. I wouldn't be begging for him because I don’t like or want average QB's, regardless of where they come from. My whole point, is I want the BEST... Not based on a curve, but based on what they actually can do.

I've watched Mendoza plenty at Cal & Indiana, in both places he's been at his very best slightly above average.

And for me, it's not just stats, I watch QB's quite a bit & only a handful around the Nation have the arm talent & capability to play above the constraints of whatever system they're in. Mendoza & Bailey, are not those types. They're system QB's; when things are scripted & laid out perfectly for them, they can succeed when they're surrounded by good talent. But when all the chips are down & you ask them to put them team on their back, make something happen that goes beyond just playing in pristine circumstances, they don't have that.

As far as the playoffs is concerned, that has everything to do with the team & not just the QB. Will Howard & Riley Leonard were both average QB's who played on teams loaded with talent; The G5 Johnny QB's as you put, don't get exposed in the playoffs, their teams do. But in the league, those Checkdown Charlie's get exposed more than anybody because they can't hide behind their teams anymore.

Again, Mendoza & Bailey are being judged on a low bar; the reason why they even get discussed on here is because of where they were born & grew up: Transpose their numbers & ability on QB's from anywhere else in America & they would never come up in conversation on this board.

Darian Mensah is a big kid, with big arm, smart, mobile & has great numbers, yet hardly anyone ever advocates for him to be a potential Portal add, why? Not from South FL.
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Perfectly put man, I think exactly this and you wrote it better than I ever could. This is the most logical thing about over drafting QBs and those two are game managers. If they dont have a roster like the Eagles they are done in terms of taking a team far in the playoffs, they play within the system and if things go well they can succeed. I got to see this Cal QB yall talking about.
 
The South FL QB that yall should be campaigning for is Austin Simmons.

When healthy, his upside is much higher than Bailey's IMO.

Very small sample size obviously, but if you wanna remove stats & just make it a tangibles/pure ability discussion, he's got all the tools, plus the mentality necessary to be more than just a game manager.
 
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Memnon said:
Whether or not Mendoza gets picked in the 1st round isn't an actual testament to his ability. Teams overdraft at QB because the NFL is a QB league & GM's are always one pick away from either having a franchise guy for 10+ years, or getting fired. Most 1st round QB's end up as busts, mainly because they were overdrafted.
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If Mendoza gets picked first round, that means he's getting picked over almost every other quarterback in the country.

That's not because he's a game manager. There are a ton of game managers in college. It's because he has the physical tools to compete at the highest levels of football.

There's a reason 88% of the starting QBs in the NFL are first rounders. It takes that level of talent to even have a chance.

If Mendoza was from Austin TX & putting up those numbers, he would be getting the Cade Klubnik treatment right now.
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Fernando Mendoza

73% (9.9 YPA), 1,202 yards, 16 TDs, 1 INT
5-0 record

Cade Klubnick

60% (6.7 YPA), 996 yards, 6 TDs, 4 INTs
1-3 record

Mendoza is getting hype because he's got the tools and he's producing. Klubnick is less talented and less productive. I don't understand the example.

And for me, it's not just stats, I watch QB's quite a bit & only a handful around the Nation have the arm talent & capability to play above the constraints of whatever system they're in.
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How many QBs in the nation have the arm talent to do this?



As far as the playoffs is concerned, that has everything to do with the team & not just the QB. Will Howard & Riley Leonard were both average QB's who played on teams loaded with talent; The G5 Johnny QB's as you put, don't get exposed in the playoffs, their teams do. But in the league, those Checkdown Charlie's get exposed more than anybody because they can't hide behind their teams anymore.
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Ohio State and Notre Dame chose to pay those guys millions. They already had loaded teams. Howard and Leonard put them over the top. And after the championship, both guys got drafted. To win in the playoffs, you need an NFL QB.

Again, Mendoza & Bailey are being judged on a low bar; the reason why they even get discussed on here is because of where they were born & grew up
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We talk about local transfers at every position because those kids are more likely to come home. That's the nature of the Portal.

The myth is that we're the only ones talking about these guys. National media is higher on them than this board. Here are a couple quick examples:





Darian Mensah is a big kid, with big arm, smart, mobile & has great numbers, yet hardly anyone ever advocates for him to be a potential Portal add, why?
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Mensah already signed a huge deal with Duke and is draft-eligible after this season. When he entered the Portal, there were a ton of posts about him. I made two threads about him. He signed real quick and then we moved on.

We should be trying to get first rounders at every position. The three quarterbacks I circled last year were Mateer, Mendoza and Beck. All three will get drafted somewhere, and all have the chance to get drafted high. I hope the QB we bring in 2026 has that kind of upside.
 
DMoney said:
How many QBs in the nation have the arm talent to do this?

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Every QB in the ACC









https://x.com/grantsmithellis/status/1964482557967552920?s=46&t=V61G05_jDJKjqXhOmB5EWw

https://x.com/oswaldswrld/status/1967070745080852585?s=46&t=V61G05_jDJKjqXhOmB5EWw

https://x.com/dibiasipeter/status/1788263586399191526?s=46&t=V61G05_jDJKjqXhOmB5EWw

https://x.com/pff_college/status/1738367514403287327?s=46&t=V61G05_jDJKjqXhOmB5EWw

https://x.com/sharpereview/status/1833162137537073541?s=46&t=V61G05_jDJKjqXhOmB5EWw

https://x.com/unnecroughness/status/1830436687941456059?s=46&t=V61G05_jDJKjqXhOmB5EWw

https://x.com/billym_91/status/1961214780888277015?s=46&t=V61G05_jDJKjqXhOmB5EWw

https://x.com/cfbkings/status/1964380163933610117?s=46&t=V61G05_jDJKjqXhOmB5EWw

https://x.com/centralnorvell/status/1970443870316953888?s=46&t=V61G05_jDJKjqXhOmB5EWw

https://x.com/insidetheirish/status/1835076829897511238?s=46&t=V61G05_jDJKjqXhOmB5EWw

I didn't really care about this debate initially but the Mendoza glaze is getting out of hand. He's a media creation. If he was playing for FSU and had those stats against the IU schedule you would be calling it out.
We see his type every year -- solid game manager who makes the routine passes with the occasionally impressive toss -- and the 5th round was made for guys like him. His ceiling is Mike White.
 
TrojanCane said:
Every QB in the ACC











https://x.com/oswaldswrld/status/1967070745080852585?s=46&t=V61G05_jDJKjqXhOmB5EWw

https://x.com/dibiasipeter/status/1788263586399191526?s=46&t=V61G05_jDJKjqXhOmB5EWw

https://x.com/pff_college/status/1738367514403287327?s=46&t=V61G05_jDJKjqXhOmB5EWw

https://x.com/sharpereview/status/1833162137537073541?s=46&t=V61G05_jDJKjqXhOmB5EWw

https://x.com/unnecroughness/status/1830436687941456059?s=46&t=V61G05_jDJKjqXhOmB5EWw

https://x.com/billym_91/status/1961214780888277015?s=46&t=V61G05_jDJKjqXhOmB5EWw

https://x.com/cfbkings/status/1964380163933610117?s=46&t=V61G05_jDJKjqXhOmB5EWw

https://x.com/centralnorvell/status/1970443870316953888?s=46&t=V61G05_jDJKjqXhOmB5EWw

https://x.com/insidetheirish/status/1835076829897511238?s=46&t=V61G05_jDJKjqXhOmB5EWw

I didn't really care about this debate initially but the Mendoza glaze is getting out of hand. He's a media creation. If he was playing for FSU and had those stats against the IU schedule you would be calling it out.
We see his type every year -- solid game manager who makes the routine passes with the occasionally impressive toss -- and the 5th round was made for guys like him. His ceiling is Mike White.
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Even worse is all the talk about CJ Bailey.... I don't get that one at all....
 
Memnon said:
Whether or not Mendoza gets picked in the 1st round isn't an actual testament to his ability. Teams overdraft at QB because the NFL is a QB league & GM's are always one pick away from either having a franchise guy for 10+ years, or getting fired. Most 1st round QB's end up as busts, mainly because they were overdrafted.

And how can you say I'm placing too much emphasis on stats, while using the fact that Mendoza averages 10 yards per pass as apart of your argument?

Him being from South FL literally has everything to do with it. You've made multiple threads with that as the primary theme.

If Mendoza was from Austin TX & putting up those numbers, he would be getting the Cade Klubnik treatment right now. I wouldn't be begging for him because I don’t like or want average QB's, regardless of where they come from. My whole point, is I want the BEST... Not based on a curve, but based on what they actually can do.

I've watched Mendoza plenty at Cal & Indiana, in both places he's been at his very best slightly above average.

And for me, it's not just stats, I watch QB's quite a bit & only a handful around the Nation have the arm talent & capability to play above the constraints of whatever system they're in. Mendoza & Bailey, are not those types. They're system QB's; when things are scripted & laid out perfectly for them, they can succeed when they're surrounded by good talent. But when all the chips are down & you ask them to put them team on their back, make something happen that goes beyond just playing in pristine circumstances, they don't have that.

As far as the playoffs is concerned, that has everything to do with the team & not just the QB. Will Howard & Riley Leonard were both average QB's who played on teams loaded with talent; The G5 Johnny QB's as you put, don't get exposed in the playoffs, their teams do. But in the league, those Checkdown Charlie's get exposed more than anybody because they can't hide behind their teams anymore.

Again, Mendoza & Bailey are being judged on a low bar; the reason why they even get discussed on here is because of where they were born & grew up: Transpose their numbers & ability on QB's from anywhere else in America & they would never come up in conversation on this board.

Darian Mensah is a big kid, with big arm, smart, mobile & has great numbers, yet hardly anyone ever advocates for him to be a potential Portal add, why? Not from South FL.
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If mensah is available he would be at the top or close to it for me
 
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TrojanCane said:
I didn't really care about this debate initially but the Mendoza glaze is getting out of hand. He's a media creation. If he was playing for FSU and had those stats against the IU schedule you would be calling it out.
We see his type every year -- solid game manager who makes the routine passes with the occasionally impressive toss -- and the 5th round was made for guys like him. His ceiling is Mike White.
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He’s a media creation now. Before, people told me he was a CIS Cuban creation.

We can revisit this thread in a few months and see if he goes 5th round as you suggest. I think a lot of people are digging their heels in because they aren’t ready to admit they were wrong.
 
Memnon said:
Whether or not Mendoza gets picked in the 1st round isn't an actual testament to his ability. Teams overdraft at QB because the NFL is a QB league & GM's are always one pick away from either having a franchise guy for 10+ years, or getting fired. Most 1st round QB's end up as busts, mainly because they were overdrafted.

And how can you say I'm placing too much emphasis on stats, while using the fact that Mendoza averages 10 yards per pass as apart of your argument?

Him being from South FL literally has everything to do with it. You've made multiple threads with that as the primary theme.

If Mendoza was from Austin TX & putting up those numbers, he would be getting the Cade Klubnik treatment right now. I wouldn't be begging for him because I don’t like or want average QB's, regardless of where they come from. My whole point, is I want the BEST... Not based on a curve, but based on what they actually can do.

I've watched Mendoza plenty at Cal & Indiana, in both places he's been at his very best slightly above average.

And for me, it's not just stats, I watch QB's quite a bit & only a handful around the Nation have the arm talent & capability to play above the constraints of whatever system they're in. Mendoza & Bailey, are not those types. They're system QB's; when things are scripted & laid out perfectly for them, they can succeed when they're surrounded by good talent. But when all the chips are down & you ask them to put them team on their back, make something happen that goes beyond just playing in pristine circumstances, they don't have that.

As far as the playoffs is concerned, that has everything to do with the team & not just the QB. Will Howard & Riley Leonard were both average QB's who played on teams loaded with talent; The G5 Johnny QB's as you put, don't get exposed in the playoffs, their teams do. But in the league, those Checkdown Charlie's get exposed more than anybody because they can't hide behind their teams anymore.

Again, Mendoza & Bailey are being judged on a low bar; the reason why they even get discussed on here is because of where they were born & grew up: Transpose their numbers & ability on QB's from anywhere else in America & they would never come up in conversation on this board.

Darian Mensah is a big kid, with big arm, smart, mobile & has great numbers, yet hardly anyone ever advocates for him to be a potential Portal add, why? Not from South FL.
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**** that last paragraph hits it. When you’re right you’re right. I haven’t advocated for Mensah either but he would be a great choice
 
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