Chick Hates Golden

[Consigliere]

I don't care, Richt can do what he wants. I hope he realizes that he could certainly use a better AD.

 

[Canesfan43]

I promise you Swasey is not part of the problem. It got to a point where Swasey's hands were tied by Golden and he had to sacrifice what he wanted to do to meet the demands. Also people forget that Swasey was mentored under Moffitt and they still talk to this day. This past summer there were several notable NFL players, who didn't play for Miami or live here, that came down to train with the Miami group. People don't realize how much input coaches have when it comes to S&C.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

I promise you Swasey is not part of the problem. It got to a point where Swasey's hands were tied by Golden and he had to sacrifice what he wanted to do to meet the demands. Also people forget that Swasey was mentored under Moffitt and they still talk to this day. This past summer there were several notable NFL players, who didn't play for Miami or live here, that came down to train with the Miami group. People don't realize how much input coaches have when it comes to S&C.

This^^^^^

But apparently, the resident potatoes on this board that don't even know the man or have never been trained by him know more than the guys that have.

Folden was the one giving instructions on what he wanted. HC are in charge of the whole program, not just some aspects. That's why they make the big $$$.

 

[caneworld]

I promise you Swasey is not part of the problem. It got to a point where Swasey's hands were tied by Golden and he had to sacrifice what he wanted to do to meet the demands. Also people forget that Swasey was mentored under Moffitt and they still talk to this day. This past summer there were several notable NFL players, who didn't play for Miami or live here, that came down to train with the Miami group. People don't realize how much input coaches have when it comes to S&C.

What happened in the other 2 regimes he was part of? His hands were tied????

 

[GhostRecon_Cane]

I promise you Swasey is not part of the problem. It got to a point where Swasey's hands were tied by Golden and he had to sacrifice what he wanted to do to meet the demands. Also people forget that Swasey was mentored under Moffitt and they still talk to this day. This past summer there were several notable NFL players, who didn't play for Miami or live here, that came down to train with the Miami group. People don't realize how much input coaches have when it comes to S&C.

What happened in the other 2 regimes he was part of? His hands were tied????

Thank you! God**** I need this guys job....I mean where else in corporate America can you fail for 14 years under three coaches and NOT get ANY blame for it? It's the same situation as the former S&C for Georgia. He had been there so long with minimal results. But he was entrenched in Georgia athletics because of his seniority. EVERYBODY loved him but finally Richt had the guts to replace him. He still works with UGA in some capacity just not with the football team. Hopefully a similar situation transpires with Swasey. It's time for change for change sake.

 

[GhostRecon_Cane]

Completely agree with Coach Macho. Miami has always outsped everyone, not outmuscled. When Golden came he wanted ro completely reverse what we are. And that automatically made it so Swasey had to focus more on strength and less on speed. This is why i think our guys look out of condition at times.

Its not like imopposed to an improvement in S&C coach, just never understood why everyone wants to scapegoat him

We sucked under Shannon too. Also we sucked under Larry Coker. Soooooooo

 

[L A M P]

So you're telling me that passive, Tony Cox looking joker gets after it like this? Get him out of my face.

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[GhostRecon_Cane]

Everybody loves to hate on Swasey but nobody here knows what he does. You base your opinions off of what you see on the field, which can be completely misleading. A team that lacks talent and/or coaching will look weak at times. You guys actually think Miami was the stronger team on the field when we used to beat up on Nebraska back in the day? LOL (no)

We've had players at Miami that measure/test extremely well. Swasey seemed to work for those guys. Are you saying there's an S&C coach in the country who could actually have AQM looking better than he already does? I've seen our players up close and personnel...shirtless (no warchant)...and our kids look the part. (minus the O-line, they currently look terrible)

A lot of our poor physiques and poor measureables can be attributed to recruiting. I don't give a **** who your S&C coach is, Terry McCray ain't never gonna test well. THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T RECRUIT KIDS LIKE THAT!!!! You look at the big time athletes that we recruited and those are the guys that test well.

Miami was never the strongest team in the country, we were the fastest and most explosive. We had guys with fast forties and high verticals. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Jon Vilma, Sean Taylor, Warren Sapp, Clinton Portis, etc...were not weight room warriors. Trent Richardson was however. Would you take him over Frank Gore?

I bet you can't show me single monster in the country that wasn't already a monster before he met his S&C coach.

I'll guarantee you that our S&C numbers will not improve at all under Richt, we'll just look more conditioned cause he'll recruit better athletes and we'll play faster.

Golden was out there recruiting LB's that bench 265 and CB's that run 4.6's and yall expect Swasey to turn us into a strong and fast team? LOL

this is common sense, i said it 100 times u recruit allen bailey and hes a beast where ever he goes

Uhhhhh....Allen Bailey is a genetic freak of nature ...literally. I knew him when I lived in Georgia 2001-2011. He is Gichi. A special type of island African American. Very pure bloodlines and small culture on those islands. He was going to be a monster physically wherever he went.

 

[AUcane]

Here's what gets me about swasey...we've been complaining about s&c since the Shannon days. It's not just a golden thing - the issue we've had with S&c has plagued us for a loooong time

 

[GhostRecon_Cane]

I think if you ask most players you'll find that Swasey does a good job. To Prout them with this team has not been Swayze but the coaches

He's gotten horrid results under THREE DIFFERENT COACHES. At what point do you say "it's time to move on from a guy who has been apart of nothing but endless failure?"

What's crazy is that the dude has a great racket going. Like Wario, he uses his friendships to make him seem like he's some valued asset to the school. Dude's been stealing checks for years.

Finally somebody said it! He has business ventures with a number former players ..and a few influenci people who have donated to the U. (ARod) so he's entrenched in Miami Culture. He's the S&C for ALL Miami athletics. That alone is a red flag. Our staff is under manned and needs a complete overhaul.

 

[The Svengali]

Everybody loves to hate on Swasey but nobody here knows what he does. You base your opinions off of what you see on the field, which can be completely misleading. A team that lacks talent and/or coaching will look weak at times. You guys actually think Miami was the stronger team on the field when we used to beat up on Nebraska back in the day? LOL (no)

We've had players at Miami that measure/test extremely well. Swasey seemed to work for those guys. Are you saying there's an S&C coach in the country who could actually have AQM looking better than he already does? I've seen our players up close and personnel...shirtless (no warchant)...and our kids look the part. (minus the O-line, they currently look terrible)

A lot of our poor physiques and poor measureables can be attributed to recruiting. I don't give a **** who your S&C coach is, Terry McCray ain't never gonna test well. THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T RECRUIT KIDS LIKE THAT!!!! You look at the big time athletes that we recruited and those are the guys that test well.

Miami was never the strongest team in the country, we were the fastest and most explosive. We had guys with fast forties and high verticals. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Jon Vilma, Sean Taylor, Warren Sapp, Clinton Portis, etc...were not weight room warriors. Trent Richardson was however. Would you take him over Frank Gore?

I bet you can't show me single monster in the country that wasn't already a monster before he met his S&C coach.

I'll guarantee you that our S&C numbers will not improve at all under Richt, we'll just look more conditioned cause he'll recruit better athletes and we'll play faster.

Golden was out there recruiting LB's that bench 265 and CB's that run 4.6's and yall expect Swasey to turn us into a strong and fast team? LOL

Smartest man in this thread! You understand

These guys fail to realize genetics plays a big part in this. You see it all the time in your local gyms.

For example, I see some guys working on every day putting in serious effort, but don't gain a pound, very little muscle definition and bodies pretty much look the same. Yet, you get another guy doing the same workout getting swole and ripped all to **** in mere months. One guy has superior genes and another doesn't.

 

[Coach Macho]

Everybody loves to hate on Swasey but nobody here knows what he does. You base your opinions off of what you see on the field, which can be completely misleading. A team that lacks talent and/or coaching will look weak at times. You guys actually think Miami was the stronger team on the field when we used to beat up on Nebraska back in the day? LOL (no)

We've had players at Miami that measure/test extremely well. Swasey seemed to work for those guys. Are you saying there's an S&C coach in the country who could actually have AQM looking better than he already does? I've seen our players up close and personnel...shirtless (no warchant)...and our kids look the part. (minus the O-line, they currently look terrible)

A lot of our poor physiques and poor measureables can be attributed to recruiting. I don't give a **** who your S&C coach is, Terry McCray ain't never gonna test well. THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T RECRUIT KIDS LIKE THAT!!!! You look at the big time athletes that we recruited and those are the guys that test well.

Miami was never the strongest team in the country, we were the fastest and most explosive. We had guys with fast forties and high verticals. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Jon Vilma, Sean Taylor, Warren Sapp, Clinton Portis, etc...were not weight room warriors. Trent Richardson was however. Would you take him over Frank Gore?

I bet you can't show me single monster in the country that wasn't already a monster before he met his S&C coach.

I'll guarantee you that our S&C numbers will not improve at all under Richt, we'll just look more conditioned cause he'll recruit better athletes and we'll play faster.

Golden was out there recruiting LB's that bench 265 and CB's that run 4.6's and yall expect Swasey to turn us into a strong and fast team? LOL

Smartest man in this thread! You understand

These guys fail to realize genetics plays a big part in this. You see it all the time in your local gyms.

For example, I see some guys working on every day putting in serious effort, but don't gain a pound, very little muscle definition and bodies pretty much look the same. Yet, you get another guy doing the same workout getting swole and ripped all to **** in mere months. One guy has superior genes and another doesn't.

Yup. Been sayin this for years.

Can't expect the same results from every individual.

 

[Coach Macho]

Somebody answer this question for me...

Are we basing our opinion of Swasey by using ON THE FIELD results?

Just trying to find out what the measure is.

 

[FullyERicht]

Somebody answer this question for me...

Are we basing our opinion of Swasey by using ON THE FIELD results?

Just trying to find out what the measure is.

I'm basing it on the fact that he has coached under 3 failure regimes.

I'm basing it on the statistical FACT that despite playing an easier schedule in the month of november for 10 years, we had a lower winning percentage than the tougher, earlier schedule. It reeks of a team that is poorly conditioned.

I'm basing it on the fact that no coach spends more time with the players than the S&C coach. This isn't made up. It is a fact. So for 10+ years of horrendous football, the voice our players heard most, the coach they interacted with most, was Swasey.

I'm basing it on the fact that you can use the "it's the HCs fault" argument to justify keeping ANY coach that you may simply like. We could easily say Coley should be retained, or Paul Williams, using this exact same logic.

And finally, I'm basing it on the reality that physical and mental development are absolutely critical to a football team. Macho, you of all people should know: if my team is playing with perfect technique and absolutely perfect execution, but is overweight and not in good condition, they will lose to the team who is at optimal weight and conditioning. This is indisputable. Why take the chance??

What is everyone so **** afraid of firing this guy for? It's UNREAL how ANY COACH who was part of THREE FAILED STAFFS would be retained. It's unprecedented.

 

[Coach Macho]

Somebody answer this question for me...

Are we basing our opinion of Swasey by using ON THE FIELD results?

Just trying to find out what the measure is.

I'm basing it on the fact that he has coached under 3 failure regimes.

I'm basing it on the statistical FACT that despite playing an easier schedule in the month of november for 10 years, we had a lower winning percentage than the tougher, earlier schedule. It reeks of a team that is poorly conditioned.

I'm basing it on the fact that no coach spends more time with the players than the S&C coach. This isn't made up. It is a fact. So for 10+ years of horrendous football, the voice our players heard most, the coach they interacted with most, was Swasey.

I'm basing it on the fact that you can use the "it's the HCs fault" argument to justify keeping ANY coach that you may simply like. We could easily say Coley should be retained, or Paul Williams, using this exact same logic.

And finally, I'm basing it on the reality that physical and mental development are absolutely critical to a football team. Macho, you of all people should know: if my team is playing with perfect technique and absolutely perfect execution, but is overweight and not in good condition, they will lose to the team who is at optimal weight and conditioning. This is indisputable. Why take the chance??

What is everyone so **** afraid of firing this guy for? It's UNREAL how ANY COACH who was part of THREE FAILED STAFFS would be retained. It's unprecedented.

I hear you. I'm just playing devil's advocate. Trying to be objective here.

He can go for all I care. LOL

 

[FullyERicht]

Here's another question.....

Over the last 10 years, dozens of elite, huge money schools have had coaching changes. Not a single one of them came calling for Swasey. Even more damning, not a single one came for anyone who worked for him.

Moffitt assistants, and Cochran assistants, and Marotti assistants get plucked every single year. I could understand if you said "well Swasey doesn't want to leave" as the excuse to why no one has come calling (even though it's actually bc no one wants him). But not a single major program has wanted one of his underlings.

Additionally, each one of the coaching changes saw an immediate overhaul of S&C. It's common practice, even if just to get a new perspective and voice in that training room. The time has come.

 

[INCaneFan]

When Swasey is let go and he will be, he won't find another job at a D1 school. I won't say who from, but our S&C program is laughed at by other schools. He is the weakest link and coaches used to know when we put up the four fingers we had the juice to last until the end. That hasn't been the case, it wasn't just Golden fattening players up, but times have changed while Swasey hasn't.

Yes,but isn't all on him as other things need to change. Diets, amount of help the next S&C coach has, etc.

 

[FullyERicht]

When Swasey is let go and he will be, he won't find another job at a D1 school. I won't say who from, but our S&C program is laughed at by other schools. He is the weakest link and coaches used to know when we put up the four fingers we had the juice to last until the end. That hasn't been the case, it wasn't just Golden fattening players up, but times have changed while Swasey hasn't.

Yes,but isn't all on him as other things need to change. Diets, amount of help the next S&C coach has, etc.

your lips to gods ears

 

[orange&green84]

We're about to see. Richt's picking out his staff. And that should include the S&C coach.

 

[V-DawgCane]

Swasey has to go. If for no other reason than he's been here too long with marginal results. At this point we need change for the sake of change.

You say that like he is the head coach or something. He is a fkin S&C coach, he is not out there calling plays or designing schemes and game plans lmao. the results on the field have little to do with the gotdam SC coach.

Everybody that has trained/played under Swasey loves the guy. Pros come to train with him. Only people who complain about him are on message boards and twitter.

my friend loves him says he did what golden wanted.

So is Tommy Moffitt an elite S&C coach because he does what Les Miles tells him to do? Swasey needs to go.

Moffitt hasn't been able to keep LSU from putting up very poor results the last couple years.

Message board dudes overrate the SC coach. They all look at the same programs and know the same stuff these days. The HC tells them what he wants, and they do it.

Remember Folden's obsession with weight numbers and his desire to bloat everyone up to fit his plodding defense? Swaysey didn't make Folden think that way.

I've got no problem if Richt fires Swaysey. I think there is some benefit to cleaning house and getting the stench of losing out of here. But I'm also sure Swaysey could implement whatever Richt tells him to do.

Agree with everything you said here. I don't see Swasey calling plays where the offensive lines pulls out to whiff on blocks that are short yardage situation. We've gotten so creative that on passing plays we have Mcdermott pulling out to whiff on blocks, where Kaaya almost got killed. The only difference will be if a S&C coach encourages some good juice to the players.