Change is Gonna Come...

[madsworldcane]

This Co DC is a joke. If I am a DC and will ultimately be responsible for the results, I would demand to bring my own people. This stinks of Manny micro managing the defense. He needs to focus on being the CEO and allow someone else to hire, install schemes and recruit payers for that system

 

[Go Canes!!]

Kevin Wilson/Ryan Day co-OCs in 2018 under Urban Meyer
Greg Schiano/Luke Fickell co-DCs under Urban Meyer

That Urban Meyer. What a dummy.

Greg Schiano expected to become Ohio State co-DC

Ohio State is expected to name former Rutgers and Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Greg Schiano as associate head coach and co-defensive coordinator, according to a source.

www.si.com

clemson had co offensive coordinators as well before Scott went to USF

 

[PIPO]

imo He’s going to be co DC by title only and LB coach. No more game day calling.

And Patke? I mean why do we need an outside line backer coach when we only 1 OLB?

 

[hoops156]

And Patke? I mean why do we need an outside line backer coach when we only 1 OLB?

hes really strikers and ST. frierson was great this year, but id still get rid of Patke as we could do better tbh. id remove all the defensive coaches

 

[Milkcane]

Baker needs to fkn go, like yesterday! And whoever D *** gets he needs to be left alone to run HIS OWN DEFENSE, not this gimmicky, blitz every down bs D *** runs. Blow the whole **** up.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

Don’t want to talk about Brady anymore? Ok. If only Miami could get former college or nfl head coaches to come here to be a co-dc or oc, yeah it Would be worth it. But We have Banda, Patke and baker instead. Or thomas brown and Ron dugans with richt calling 15 year old plays that have “worked“ since the dawn of the forward pass. Not quite the same caliber of coaches...

Sure I'll talk about Brady. LSU was going to name him as Co-OC in a bid to retain him. You said that yourself. He was a nobody, who got hired to be passing game coordinator, then was going to be co-OC. Ed O could have just done the obvious and make Brady full time OC, but that wasn't the plan. He was going to be co-OC. Meyer had co-coordinators forever. So has Saban. and Dabo. You said that the idea of co-coordinators is dumb. Some of the GOAT coaches regularly have had co-coordinators and now you've moved the goal posts and said, "oh but that only works if they are former NFL HCs." Jeff Scott wasn't a former NFL HC or CFB HC when Dabo made him co-OC with Tony Elliot, who also wasn't a HC. Elliot and Scott were co-OCs when Clemson beat Bama in 2017. I can keep going, but it doesn't seem like you know when you're beat so there isn't much reason to bother with you anymore.

 

[Rellyrell]

like others have said about baker.. when you break down each aspect, it's really a head scratcher why even pay him????
- DC: stunk
- LB: last group never got better... young group hasn't done anything, and seems to play favorites with upperclassmen
- Recruiting: ZERO help

To put this in perspective, we all know Coach Stroud doesn’t care for recruiting, however, per 247’s national rankings:

‘21: Stroud #29th ; Baker: #340th
‘20: Stroud #216th ; Baker #484th

The dude is a hack both on & off the field. Banda getting a “promotion” at a G5 school, Stroud wanting to leave b/c of health issue, & Rumph being the scape goat does nothing for me. I need to see Baker gone. If he’s not going to help on the field, then he **** sure better help in recruiting, and right now, I see neither.

 

[Koke]

Baker and Patke still on the staff is a joke.

 

[canesbaby]

Yeah, Baker is a dead man walking. I'm guessing Manny is waiting for his new DC to accept the offer. No way as a DC does 3 of your staff get pushed out but you survive. If Baker were staying, these moves would be positioned as Baker doing the firings and upgrading his staff.

Only question now is who is going to replace him. If Manny brings in a legitimate DC who will not be his puppet, then Manny has a shot at doing well next year. If not and he hires another limp dyck, then these changes are pointless.

This makes sense. I'd like to think you're right about this but this is Miami after all. We always make things MUCH harder than they should be.

 

[Canes Brotherhood]

And Patke? I mean why do we need an outside line backer coach when we only 1 OLB?

He’s the one I don’t get.

 

[Mnhurricane]

Who gives a **** if he's there or not as long as he's not calling plays? Did Baker #MeToo you and force you to give him a handy for a job, and now you won't be happy until he's on the unemployment line?

Yeah because the playcalling is the only thing holding back this team let’s give out free checks to horrible coaches. Baker must have hit just the right spot on you as you bend over backwards figuring a way to keep him on staff.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

I'll never apologize to Manny unless he wins a National Championship.

Like anybody needs an apology from a message board bottom boy.

 

[Jassid82]

LMAO! GIF of the day my brotha! LMAO!

 

[caneaddict]

Im guessing the ST success may be saving Patke

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

Sure I'll talk about Brady. LSU was going to name him as Co-OC in a bid to retain him. You said that yourself. He was a nobody, who got hired to be passing game coordinator, then was going to be co-OC. Ed O could have just done the obvious and make Brady full time OC, but that wasn't the plan. He was going to be co-OC. Meyer had co-coordinators forever. So has Saban. and Dabo. You said that the idea of co-coordinators is dumb. Some of the GOAT coaches regularly have had co-coordinators and now you've moved the goal posts and said, "oh but that only works if they are former NFL HCs." Jeff Scott wasn't a former NFL HC or CFB HC when Dabo made him co-OC with Tony Elliot, who also wasn't a HC. Elliot and Scott were co-OCs when Clemson beat Bama in 2017. I can keep going, but it doesn't seem like you know when you're beat so there isn't much reason to bother with you anymore.

And making Brady co-oc didn’t work because he was offered a real oc job in the nfl, so how was that a good decision? to try and make the guy most responsible for an offensive juggernaut only co-oc where he probably still wouldn’t call plays? Brady knew it was a bs title and bounced to a real gig. at Miami it’s a pathetic attempt to stroke someone’s ego and make them seem more important than they are, ie the only reason Banda is co dc is because he was named co dc with Patke when diaz left. Was that a good decision? Nope. Did dugans really bring something new to the table when he became our third co oc ? Nope. Is it just coincidence that the best college coaches in the country make it work but we don’t? It’s about who you make co-coordinators, not just the philosophy itself. So yeah, your experience and skill matter when it comes to what role or title you get. I have zero faith, and reason to think, Miami will make good decisions regarding the coaching staff based on historical experience. Saban, Meyer and dabo seem to do pretty well. you Obviously aren’t familiar with the term “nuance”, because everything is absolutely right to you if saban, urban and dabo can make it work, and Miami can make all the same things happen right? I guess we should hire all these former head coaches as $40k a year analysts too

 

[JOE'CANE]

What’s up w Blake and Patke then?

Those are the dudes that got to go. Stroud to me wasnt bad, Rumph, Patke, and Baker are horrible!!!! Everyone else was serviceable.

 

[AUcane]

Kevin Wilson/Ryan Day co-OCs in 2018 under Urban Meyer
Greg Schiano/Luke Fickell co-DCs under Urban Meyer

That Urban Meyer. What a dummy.

Greg Schiano expected to become Ohio State co-DC

Ohio State is expected to name former Rutgers and Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Greg Schiano as associate head coach and co-defensive coordinator, according to a source.

www.si.com

you really comparing corch urban maya to Mandy Dannon with respect to overseeing co-coordinators?

 

[FromDeeeeep]

Forgot that point.
So he sucks as a DC and calling plays
His position group LB’s sucked
He doesn’t recruit
So he is just collecting a paycheck

wait so Patke title is the OLB and specials teams coach. The dude who left to USU, Zuckerman worked with the ILB and Baker was DC/LB coach.

We played 4-2-5, so we had 3 coaches working with 2 players on the field and they still sucked?

The LB room needs to overhauled and have a new coach leading it

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

you really comparing corch urban maya to Mandy Dannon with respect to overseeing co-coordinators?

How the **** did you reach that conclusion? That's the not question being discussed. Some dummy said that co-coordinators don't work. Obviously it works pretty well for coaches with lots of national championships and dozens of other HCs across CFB. Whether co-coordinators will work for Diaz or not has nothing to do with the concept of having co-coordinators. He can have one ****ty coordinator or two equally ****ty co-coordinators and there isn't going to be a big difference in performance. If on the other hand he brings in a top tier DC and Baker is the non-play calling co-DC, it could work just fine.

As a hypothetical example, let's say Miami reached out to Charlie Strong. He's an analyst at Bama (most of their analysts make well under 100k per year there). I wouldn't be surprised if he'd happily take the title of title of play calling Co-DC to get back into the coordinating game. He'd also primarily coach LBs, so then Baker wouldn't do much except maybe fetch coffee and be the co-DC in title. The reason that Baker would be kept around is that he's under contract and Diaz thinks he could still get some use out of him (he gets paid what he's owed whether he's on the staff or not- hence the word "contract". Now what value he could possibly still have is a valid question). If the D has a big bounce back year with Strong as the playcalling co-DC, Baker's reputation gets somewhat rehabbed then some G5 team will hire Baker away next year to be a full time DC, and that team can buy out the remainder of his contract. The reality is that Baker would have to be willing to accept the demotion to non-play calling co-DC or he could resign (in which case he doesn't get paid the remainder of his contract). Either way it solves the biggest problem, which is that he's not very good at the Xs and Os and shouldn't be the play calling DC anymore.

 

[Koke]

This Co DC is a joke. If I am a DC and will ultimately be responsible for the results, I would demand to bring my own people. This stinks of Manny micro managing the defense. He needs to focus on being the CEO and allow someone else to hire, install schemes and recruit payers for that system

Manny won't let a DC come in and hire his own staff cause anyone with a brain would know that Patke and Baker are useless.