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Brooklyndee said:
& You say they are better because of what? Because one got limited snaps over the other? Bobby's only issue previously was getting the playbook down. If he figures that out I'll take him over either simply as my preference. Wiley I think is gonna be really good. But let's get him settled in and see how he acclimated himself to everything before we just appoint him or anyone else.
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I’ll appoint Wiley, I’ll take that risk
 
Golsen82 said:
I might just get a bonner with this new LB core
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SinisterCane said:
Is he a good open field tackle in space?
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That’s my thing. When he’s healthy they don’t play him a lot. The coaches see him in practice and they know best. And if he ain’t playing (like pancake) then you probably not HIM.

But I like Bobby and Pancake, really good players you don’t want to play unless there is an injury. At least you know they have talent. They may not be stars but they have talent. Which is a good thing all good teams have that.
 
Let’s not lie to ourselves. This unit, much like the safety unit, is completely reliant on the success and health of our D Line. I think we may have some guys in the room but not quite as a whole. I have seen too much “death by yards-after-contact” for a lifetime.
 
Dwinstitles said:
That’s my thing. When he’s healthy they don’t play him a lot. The coaches see him in practice and they know best. And if he ain’t playing (like pancake) then you probably not HIM.

But I like Bobby and Pancake, really good players you don’t want to play unless there is an injury. At least you know they have talent. They may not be stars but they have talent. Which is a good thing all good teams have that.
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Bobby wasn’t playing because supposedly he wasn’t understanding the defense. Him and pancake was both raw coming out of hs. The have all the traits you want to be stars. Wether they ever get to that point or even be starters here is still tbd
 
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Dwinstitles said:
He does but he probably won’t ever start imo. I think he’s a depth and special team guy. I don’t care if he hits like Ronnie Lott, some people can hit and never start. Need guys like Wiley that can do everything and Bobby Pruitt, they are fast they cover and they have nfl length and size. Big pause.

That’s not a knock on Bobby though, it’s just we recruited two really good ones I would start over him. It’s supposed to look like another player can start, but when you recruit over them and the new blood is better you play the better option.
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I understand in CIS world if a player isn’t an ALL American by his redshirt freshman season, then that player is a JAG and needs to hit the portal. It just blows my mind how the statements are made from guys who have never been to a practice, had a conversation with anyone on the Miami staff, and has only watched 3 minutes of the kids JR year high school highlights 🤦🏾‍♂️

Players breakout later, in their careers, in new schemes all the time. Look no further than Brashard Smith. As a redshirt sophomore at Miami, Smith had 22 receptions for 263 yards and 2 TDs, 9 carries for 132 rushing yards and 1 TD. As a redshirt JR at SMU when put in a scheme that better fit his skill set as an APB, he thrived. There he rushed for 1,332 yards, 14 TDs, 39 catches for 327 yards and 4 TDs earning 1st team ALL ACC and 3rd team ALL American. So at Miami he was a JAG and at SMU he was an All American, was it the player or the scheme and coaching 🤔

How can you judge if a player will ever play when that player has yet to practice a down in the new scheme due to injury? What metrics are you using to make such an absolute determination? Is the thought that players don’t recover from injury or is it more of a new shinny toy on the roster so let’s disregard the old one?

If your talking about how it “supposed” to look, there is not a single player on this roster with Bobby’s combination of size (6-3 230,) speed (runs in the high 4.3 - min 4.4 range) hit power, and ability to rush the passer. Bobby has it all from a traits standpoint, he just couldn’t fully pick up Guidry’s system (like so many other guys on defense). Hetherman’s simple, fast, and aggressive scheme fits his skill set.

I am not saying he will be a starter, I’m saying I don’t think it’s time to write him off. At the end of the day, the beauty of competition is the winner is determined by the ones who are competing and not the ones on the sideline talking.
 
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grover said:
What I love is the depth. I hope we rotate a lot to keep guys fresh and minimize injury. Toure is legit,
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I agree, the depth is starting to look good

MLB
Mohamed Toure RSR 6-2 236
Chase Smith RSR 6-2 230
PoPo Aguirre JR 6-2 233
Adarius Hayes SO 6-4 240

WILL
Wesley Bissainthe SR 6-1 230
Jaylin Alderman RSR 6-1 230
Kamal Bonner RSO 6-2 220
Kellen Wiley FR 6-4 240

Star/ SAM / Big Nickel (Think striker under Manny)
Bobby Pruitt SO 6-2 215
Bobby Washington RSO 6-3 230


Ezekiel Marcelin isn’t listed because I believe he will redshirt.
 
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Hstokes1447 said:
I agree, the depth is starting to look good

MLB
Mohamed Toure RSR 6-2 236
Chase Smith RSR 6-2 230
PoPo Aguirre JR 6-2 233
Adarius Hayes SO 6-4 240

WILL
Wesley Bissainthe SR 6-1 230
Jaylin Alderman RSR 6-1 230
Kamal Bonner RSO 6-2 220
Kellen Wiley FR 6-4 240

SAM / Big Nickel (Think striker under Manny)
Bobby Pruitt SO 6-2 215
Bobby Washington RSO 6-3 230


Ezekiel Marcelin isn’t listed because I believe he will redshirt.
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That’s a real depth chart. Remember when we trotted out the three freshmen LBs (Shaq, Pinck and McCloud) because both the projected starters were injured and we had no one else good enough to play?

The only thing missing is while the floor is really high the ceiling still a little low. Toure and Wiley, maybe Wes can have a breakthrough season. He’ll maybe Chase can finally perform up to his pre injury potential and have an Arroyo like comeback.
 
Cane30 said:
We will see how the Mike competition goes, but I have Bonner (Mike) and Toure starting. You never know. Lots of guys are playing. I love the different packages Heatherman has. These guys are key to this run D, our D success. I think snaps fluctuate by skill sets and opponents schemes. We finally have the depth and talent to adjust across this D.
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I gotta say, I am completely shocked the "pause" guy didn't immediately report to this post...............pleasantly surprised really.

But you post is spot on!
 
Hstokes1447 said:
I understand in CIS world if a player isn’t an ALL American by his redshirt freshman season, then that player is a JAG and needs to hit the portal. It just blows my mind how the statements are made from guys who have never been to a practice, had a conversation with anyone on the Miami staff, and has only watched 3 minutes of the kids JR year high school highlights 🤦🏾‍♂️

Players breakout later, in their careers, in new schemes all the time. Look no further than Brashard Smith. As a redshirt sophomore at Miami, Smith had 22 receptions for 263 yards and 2 TDs, 9 carries for 132 rushing yards and 1 TD. As a redshirt JR at SMU when put in a scheme that better fit his skill set as an APB, he thrived. There he rushed for 1,332 yards, 14 TDs, 39 catches for 327 yards and 4 TDs earning 1st team ALL ACC and 3rd team ALL American. So at Miami he was a JAG and at SMU he was an All American, was it the player or the scheme and coaching 🤔

How can you judge if a player will ever play when that player has yet to practice a down in the new scheme due to injury? What metrics are you using to make such an absolute determination? Is the thought that players don’t recover from injury or is it more of a new shinny toy on the roster so let’s disregard the old one?

If your talking about how it “supposed” to look, there is not a single player on this roster with Bobby’s combination of size (6-3 230,) speed (runs in the high 4.3 - min 4.4 range) hit power, and ability to rush the passer. Bobby has it all from a traits standpoint, he just couldn’t fully pick up Guidry’s system (like so many other guys on defense). Hetherman’s simple, fast, and aggressive scheme fits his skill set.

I am not saying he will be a starter, I’m saying I don’t think it’s time to write him off. At the end of the day, the beauty of competition is the winner is determined by the ones who are competing and not the ones on the sideline talking.
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This is fair especially with a new scheme. Also BS didn’t touch the ball here and moved to RB where you touch it more, that to me is way different. But he did improve because he got the ball more often. Would have cooked with Ward here. But what you’re saying isn’t impossible so this is a fair point.
 
Hstokes1447 said:
I agree, the depth is starting to look good

MLB
Mohamed Toure RSR 6-2 236
Chase Smith RSR 6-2 230
PoPo Aguirre JR 6-2 233
Adarius Hayes SO 6-4 240

WILL
Wesley Bissainthe SR 6-1 230
Jaylin Alderman RSR 6-1 230
Kamal Bonner RSO 6-2 220
Kellen Wiley FR 6-4 240

SAM / Big Nickel (Think striker under Manny)
Bobby Pruitt SO 6-2 215
Bobby Washington RSO 6-3 230


Ezekiel Marcelin isn’t listed because I believe he will redshirt.
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Hetherman doesn’t use a striker. Bobby is playing Mike & Will and pruitt is playing will
 
252cane said:
Hetherman doesn’t use a striker. Bobby is playing Mike & Will and pruitt is playing will
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Yes he does, it’s called STAR in his defense. I just mentioned the term striker so it can be understood by people here.

I have studied Hetherman’s defense inside and out. He actually used two nickels one for coverage and the other in run support. If you watch the USC game, a more pass heavy team, you will see more of the traditional nickel but in the Penn State game, a more run heavy team he used the big nickel (Star)

See the image below #20 is Jeff Roberson he is 6-2 230 listed as LB on Minnesota official roster but he plays Star, nothing more than a big nickel or striker.


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Watch the way he is used against Penn State


Here is Hetherman using the more traditional nickel #24
 
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grover said:
That’s a real depth chart. Remember when we trotted out the three freshmen LBs (Shaq, Pinck and McCloud) because both the projected starters were injured and we had no one else good enough to play?

The only thing missing is while the floor is really high the ceiling still a little low. Toure and Wiley, maybe Wes can have a breakthrough season. He’ll maybe Chase can finally perform up to his pre injury potential and have an Arroyo like comeback.
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I think anything is possible in this new scheme it is simply designed for LBs to be successful and put up high tackle numbers. I have been beating the table about this for months but every where Hetherman has coached linebackers, he has turned at least one into an ALL Conference play in his first season, and it has always been a guy who has never been an All Conference player. So if history repeats itself someone is going to have a breakout season in this system.
 
Hstokes1447 said:
I understand in CIS world if a player isn’t an ALL American by his redshirt freshman season, then that player is a JAG and needs to hit the portal. It just blows my mind how the statements are made from guys who have never been to a practice, had a conversation with anyone on the Miami staff, and has only watched 3 minutes of the kids JR year high school highlights 🤦🏾‍♂️

Players breakout later, in their careers, in new schemes all the time. Look no further than Brashard Smith. As a redshirt sophomore at Miami, Smith had 22 receptions for 263 yards and 2 TDs, 9 carries for 132 rushing yards and 1 TD. As a redshirt JR at SMU when put in a scheme that better fit his skill set as an APB, he thrived. There he rushed for 1,332 yards, 14 TDs, 39 catches for 327 yards and 4 TDs earning 1st team ALL ACC and 3rd team ALL American. So at Miami he was a JAG and at SMU he was an All American, was it the player or the scheme and coaching 🤔

How can you judge if a player will ever play when that player has yet to practice a down in the new scheme due to injury? What metrics are you using to make such an absolute determination? Is the thought that players don’t recover from injury or is it more of a new shinny toy on the roster so let’s disregard the old one?

If your talking about how it “supposed” to look, there is not a single player on this roster with Bobby’s combination of size (6-3 230,) speed (runs in the high 4.3 - min 4.4 range) hit power, and ability to rush the passer. Bobby has it all from a traits standpoint, he just couldn’t fully pick up Guidry’s system (like so many other guys on defense). Hetherman’s simple, fast, and aggressive scheme fits his skill set.

I am not saying he will be a starter, I’m saying I don’t think it’s time to write him off. At the end of the day, the beauty of competition is the winner is determined by the ones who are competing and not the ones on the sideline talking.
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Only player that I’ve ever judged in this thread is Wes who at best is average and if he’s our best option for the outside linebacker position, then we really need to look at who’s evaluating linebackers.


You really wanna know when Miami is back ? It’s when players like Wes plays the way he does “ below average to average” and loses his spot to a better player
 
SinisterCane said:
Only player that I’ve ever judged in this thread is Wes who at best is average and if he’s our best option for the outside linebacker position, then we really need to look at who’s evaluating linebackers.


You really wanna know when Miami is back ? It’s when players like Wes plays the way he does “ below average to average” and loses his spot to a better player
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I agree that if you are below average you shouldn’t play. My only stance on Wes is, we simply do not know how he plays in this new system that is historically LB friendly. The issue with Wes is not missed tackles, his issue was being out of place, that’s scheme and coaching.

So logic tells me that if you put an good tackler in a linebacker friendly system, where he can just play see ball get ball, you can expect a completely different outcome. I just can’t understand how you can write anyone on this defense off, based off what they put on tape last season. Now if he gets in camp and someone beats him out, well put his *** on the bench, just that simple.
 
SinisterCane said:
Only player that I’ve ever judged in this thread is Wes who at best is average and if he’s our best option for the outside linebacker position, then we really need to look at who’s evaluating linebackers.


You really wanna know when Miami is back ? It’s when players like Wes plays the way he does “ below average to average” and loses his spot to a better player
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Seems like a lot of people were off about him. He was a blue chip recruit and a consensus top 20 linebacker across multiple sites. I’m curious to see what he could do this year in the new system
 
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