Canes Camp Report Episode 10

[canecountry3]

Well, we've got problems, but we have a bunch of bright spots. Tough for even the mopiest of mopes to deny our talent. WR group looks strong and can be among the best if Malc and Scott can get back. Coley is such a ****ing freak of nature.

Duke and Yearby being out looks to have a silver lining. Gus is getting a ton of reps and Tucker looks better than I hoped.

We should have a decent pass rush this year, outstanding compared to the last few years. We still have issues, but dammit man.....I can't help but be excited.

I'm excited about the offense....but the problems with the defense go wayyyy beyond the talent. You can inject as much talent as you want into that abomination of a scheme but when players are being asked to do things they should NEVER be doing, well you're going to get the same result every time.

You guys call those of us that call it like we see it a mope..we call you cheerleaders. At the end of the day we are all Canes fans. Burying your head in the sand and ignoring the big problem won't change the outlook when it's the same scheme being run year after year.

I want us to win just as bad as you...and when there is something to be optimistic about I say it. Right now however...the "problems" you refer to are the entire ****ing defense. That goes way beyond a "problem", it's a an epidemic relatively speaking. I think we've all been watching football long enough to know you can't win with a defense THAT broken.

So yeah...Coley is a ****ing stud. However unless Golden either completely changes his scheme or gets fired guess what...Coley's time here will be wasted.

The problem isn't the opinion itself. It has gone beyond beating a dead horse - it in the nuclear attacking a dead horse realm.

There are two options, really. Constantly bring up the same points about how bad the defense/team was in 2013 (and in effect derailing threads), or focus on the 2014 squad.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

We call it like we see it as well! This team has more talent on both sides of the ball than we've had in years.
"realists" don't always have to be negative nancy mopes. My realism sees a team headed in the right direction and looking at a 10+ win season. I look forward to another 6 months of subjective negativity on your part and a handful of others.

Number of wins don't matter. If we get that magical "10 win" mark by beating 10 bad teams it doesn't mean ****. We need to be a perennial top ten team and at least in the ACCCG every year. We need to actually beat some of the better teams on the schedule and at the very least not get blown out by the FSU's of the world. We need to be competitive at the highest level.

I don't have unrealistic expectations. I don't expect to go undefeated or even have 1 loss every year...but when you're located in the backyard of the most fertile recruiting grounds in the United States, there is no excuse for underachieving the way we have for the last decade.

And I agree about the talent...this roster has a ton of talent. That's why there is no excuse for not winning the Coastal outright and at the very least making the ACCCG. If you tell me we lose a hard fought close game to FSU in the championship game I can live with that, for now.

There's also ZERO excuse for the starting defense at the University of Miami to ever get shredded the way we have.

Bottom line the excuses for Golden and staff need to stop. There are none. He's done a below average job to this point and if he doesn't turn it around by the end of season he should be fired. That's all I'm saying.

 

[hoover437]

And nine wins last year was luck. We should have lost to Wake and UNC. While there was no loss we should have won. Ball bounced our way the first seven games.

LOL...9 wins. Anyone who looks at last year as a success is the same type of person that lauds Golden for winning 9 at Temple.

It doesn't mean **** if every time you play a competent team on your schedule you lose. The "9 win" mantra is a fraud when you do it by beating up on the bad teams on your schedule. Let me repeat...Homeboy is 1-11 during his time at Miami against teams with a winning record. You add to that the face we almost lost to bad Wake and NC teams and I just don't see how any Hurricane fan in their right mind can be happy with what took place last year, especially when you consider it was Al's 3rd year here.

I'll give Al credit if/when he consistently beats the better teams on the schedule...that's the only measure of success that matters in college football.

Schools with no tradition of history or winning talk about moral victories. Have we fallen that far?

Given where we were with the last two coaches and the fact that the NCAA held us hostage for almost THREE YEARS with our new coach. Yes we are very happy with last year. But make no mistake we are looking for better this year and think we have the horses to do so; NOT some hope and a prayer. If folks want to continue to look in the past with irrational views so be it. Butch did not take over a program that was the walking dead!!! We were still the top program with a year or two of setbacks, not TWO coaches later, and closer to 8 years.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

Well, we've got problems, but we have a bunch of bright spots. Tough for even the mopiest of mopes to deny our talent. WR group looks strong and can be among the best if Malc and Scott can get back. Coley is such a ****ing freak of nature.

Duke and Yearby being out looks to have a silver lining. Gus is getting a ton of reps and Tucker looks better than I hoped.

We should have a decent pass rush this year, outstanding compared to the last few years. We still have issues, but dammit man.....I can't help but be excited.

I'm excited about the offense....but the problems with the defense go wayyyy beyond the talent. You can inject as much talent as you want into that abomination of a scheme but when players are being asked to do things they should NEVER be doing, well you're going to get the same result every time.

You guys call those of us that call it like we see it a mope..we call you cheerleaders. At the end of the day we are all Canes fans. Burying your head in the sand and ignoring the big problem won't change the outlook when it's the same scheme being run year after year.

I want us to win just as bad as you...and when there is something to be optimistic about I say it. Right now however...the "problems" you refer to are the entire ****ing defense. That goes way beyond a "problem", it's a an epidemic relatively speaking. I think we've all been watching football long enough to know you can't win with a defense THAT broken.

So yeah...Coley is a ****ing stud. However unless Golden either completely changes his scheme or gets fired guess what...Coley's time here will be wasted.

This absolute position that the D will never work, regardless of the talent, is retarded. You get enough studs on a team and any scheme will work. This is year two of the full install of the 3-4 scheme. I have no choice but to hope the new guys recruited for this scheme can make it work.

The position that a 3-4 or multiple defense could never work would be retarded. That's NOT my position. My position is that the WAY these retards run the 3-4 will never work. Big difference

 

[cane since birth]

Well, we've got problems, but we have a bunch of bright spots. Tough for even the mopiest of mopes to deny our talent. WR group looks strong and can be among the best if Malc and Scott can get back. Coley is such a ****ing freak of nature.

Duke and Yearby being out looks to have a silver lining. Gus is getting a ton of reps and Tucker looks better than I hoped.

We should have a decent pass rush this year, outstanding compared to the last few years. We still have issues, but dammit man.....I can't help but be excited.

I'm excited about the offense....but the problems with the defense go wayyyy beyond the talent. You can inject as much talent as you want into that abomination of a scheme but when players are being asked to do things they should NEVER be doing, well you're going to get the same result every time.

You guys call those of us that call it like we see it a mope..we call you cheerleaders. At the end of the day we are all Canes fans. Burying your head in the sand and ignoring the big problem won't change the outlook when it's the same scheme being run year after year.

I want us to win just as bad as you...and when there is something to be optimistic about I say it. Right now however...the "problems" you refer to are the entire ****ing defense. That goes way beyond a "problem", it's a an epidemic relatively speaking. I think we've all been watching football long enough to know you can't win with a defense THAT broken.

So yeah...Coley is a ****ing stud. However unless Golden either completely changes his scheme or gets fired guess what...Coley's time here will be wasted.

I am on the record as a man that thinks the scheme is bad for what we have, but an infusion of talent might unlock the scheme and help us field a competent defense. I never like when a scheme does not make the most of the players it has, but if you can find the guys you need the scheme can work.

This absolute position that the D will never work, regardless of the talent, is retarded. You get enough studs on a team and any scheme will work. This is year two of the full install of the 3-4 scheme. I have no choice but to hope the new guys recruited for this scheme can make it work.

For the 1-11 crew, again, this is the BEST roster he has had while here. You can't bury Shannon for not building a deep roster then jump on Al when he produces ****ty resulsts with the bare roster. Dude isn't an elite coach but may turn out to be a decent coach if he can get to 10 wins this year. You don't have to be an elite coach to win big at Miami.

i concur

 

[lauderdaleballer]

And nine wins last year was luck. We should have lost to Wake and UNC. While there was no loss we should have won. Ball bounced our way the first seven games.

We won 9 games... Can't say we should have lost anything... That being said you can't really brag about the 9 wins when 3 of those games were against USF, FAU and SSU... Those were some extremely bad teams.

 

[cane since birth]

Well, we've got problems, but we have a bunch of bright spots. Tough for even the mopiest of mopes to deny our talent. WR group looks strong and can be among the best if Malc and Scott can get back. Coley is such a ****ing freak of nature.

Duke and Yearby being out looks to have a silver lining. Gus is getting a ton of reps and Tucker looks better than I hoped.

We should have a decent pass rush this year, outstanding compared to the last few years. We still have issues, but dammit man.....I can't help but be excited.

I'm excited about the offense....but the problems with the defense go wayyyy beyond the talent. You can inject as much talent as you want into that abomination of a scheme but when players are being asked to do things they should NEVER be doing, well you're going to get the same result every time.

You guys call those of us that call it like we see it a mope..we call you cheerleaders. At the end of the day we are all Canes fans. Burying your head in the sand and ignoring the big problem won't change the outlook when it's the same scheme being run year after year.

I want us to win just as bad as you...and when there is something to be optimistic about I say it. Right now however...the "problems" you refer to are the entire ****ing defense. That goes way beyond a "problem", it's a an epidemic relatively speaking. I think we've all been watching football long enough to know you can't win with a defense THAT broken.

So yeah...Coley is a ****ing stud. However unless Golden either completely changes his scheme or gets fired guess what...Coley's time here will be wasted.

This absolute position that the D will never work, regardless of the talent, is retarded. You get enough studs on a team and any scheme will work. This is year two of the full install of the 3-4 scheme. I have no choice but to hope the new guys recruited for this scheme can make it work.

The position that a 3-4 or multiple defense could never work would be retarded. That's NOT my position. My position is that the WAY these retards run the 3-4 will never work. Big difference

you just called the scheme an abomination

 

[cane since birth]

And nine wins last year was luck. We should have lost to Wake and UNC. While there was no loss we should have won. Ball bounced our way the first seven games.

We won 9 games... Can't say we should have lost anything... That being said you can't really brag about the 9 wins when 3 of those games were against USF, FAU and SSU... Those were some extremely bad teams.

same can be said about A&M

 

[hoover437]

Has anyone looked at out defensive recruiting under the last coach and what we got out of it? Also, if anyone on this board or any other board that watched our games would know our best play makers outside of DP, were young and will be upperclassmen this year. With all respect to the guys that just left, they were not recruited for this system, the current guys were, let's see that they can do before we call the season whatever.

 

[cane since birth]

Has anyone looked at out defensive recruiting under the last coach and what we got out of it? Also, if anyone on this board or any other board that watched our games would know our best play makers outside of DP, were young and will be upperclassmen this year. With all respect to the guys that just left, they were not recruited for this system, the current guys were, let's see that they can do before we call the season whatever.[/QUOTE

no we expect freshman to come in and be all americans and 1st round players from the start

 

[deleted3746]

It's a challenge trying to be optimistic about an Al Golden led team.

We've had enough player talent to compete in the ACC. We just haven't had enough coaching talent.

Golden has never won more than 9 games, has never won his conference, and has never won a bowl game.

We don't need an elite coach, we just need a competent one.

 

[hoover437]

It's a challenge trying to be optimistic about an Al Golden led team.

We've had enough player talent to compete in the ACC. We just haven't had enough coaching talent.

Golden has never won more than 9 games, has never won his conference, and has never won a bowl game.

We don't need an elite coach, we just need a competent one.

You may be right on Golden at the end of the day, however, if one would get off the Miami should win every game, even when the program was missmanaged and then the NCAA did not help. Also, the kids that came thought they did not have to do anything, because they were going to the league in 3 because they were recruited by the U.

We played the last half of the season with our two top returning playmakers on the bench, Dorsett and Duke. We relied on a freshmen, who showed freshmen mistakes in the VT game that were costly. NO excuses this year, unless big injuries and players getting stupid, i.e., Ray Scott. We also played with a reduced roster because of the AA.

 

[cane since birth]

Goldens make or break year simple as that

 

[lauderdaleballer]

And nine wins last year was luck. We should have lost to Wake and UNC. While there was no loss we should have won. Ball bounced our way the first seven games.

We won 9 games... Can't say we should have lost anything... That being said you can't really brag about the 9 wins when 3 of those games were against USF, FAU and SSU... Those were some extremely bad teams.

same can be said about A&M

I'm not an A&M fan celebrating their 9 wins against week opponents... We virtually remained the same due to our conference record from last year... However, those terrible OOC games helped us attain 9 wins...

 

[Cribby]

It's a challenge trying to be optimistic about an Al Golden led team.

We've had enough player talent to compete in the ACC. We just haven't had enough coaching talent.

Golden has never won more than 9 games, has never won his conference, and has never won a bowl game.

We don't need an elite coach, we just need a competent one.

This is true and level headed . Very fair.

The " mopes" are one extreme and the slurpers are on the other . The truth about Al lies somewhere in the middle.

 

[cane since birth]

And nine wins last year was luck. We should have lost to Wake and UNC. While there was no loss we should have won. Ball bounced our way the first seven games.

We won 9 games... Can't say we should have lost anything... That being said you can't really brag about the 9 wins when 3 of those games were against USF, FAU and SSU... Those were some extremely bad teams.

same can be said about A&M

I'm not an A&M fan celebrating their 9 wins against week opponents... We virtually remained the same due to our conference record from last year... However, those terrible OOC games helped us attain 9 wins...

every school is going to have those terrible OOC games, im happy he won those and not layed a egg with one of them like the gators

 

[lauderdaleballer]

It's a challenge trying to be optimistic about an Al Golden led team.

We've had enough player talent to compete in the ACC. We just haven't had enough coaching talent.

Golden has never won more than 9 games, has never won his conference, and has never won a bowl game.

We don't need an elite coach, we just need a competent one.

You may be right on Golden at the end of the day, however, if one would get off the Miami should win every game, even when the program was missmanaged and then the NCAA did not help. Also, the kids that came thought they did not have to do anything, because they were going to the league in 3 because they were recruited by the U.

We played the last half of the season with our two top returning playmakers on the bench, Dorsett and Duke. We relied on a freshmen, who showed freshmen mistakes in the VT game that were costly. NO excuses this year, unless big injuries and players getting stupid, i.e., Ray Scott. We also played with a reduced roster because of the AA.

My issue with this assessment is that the NCAA investigation did not affect us on the field... Every major school has guys thinking about 3 and done... Even the players Golden brought in... Too be fair there has been more attrition on his watch is more than the players retained from the previous regime... Previous staff players had more discipline than his players... We just have to play better... Yea Duke in Dorsett was hurt but we still put up enough points to beat VT and Duke... I find it funny some posters say the offense didn't help the defense out by sustaining drives but we scored enough points to win... Offense wasn't an issue... We just have to do better...

 

[PUNCICANE]

is it just me or does Williams seem to throw a pic in everyone of these camp reports?

I guess you didn't see Coley pull up underneath the route in order to avoid getting hit which caused the INT. What I saw was Williams make about 10 throws that Morris was incapable of making. Dropping throws in in the corners of soft cover 2 zones, reversing out and making throws to his left, throwing down the seem, making perfect throws in the corner of the endzone with touch and most importantly hitting his WRs in stride. But I guess the mopes will see the one throw where it was clearly the WRs fault for pulling up.

I guess you didn't see my previous post alluding to the fact that Williams makes it seem as if we finally have TE's all of a sudden...

I'm no mope, ****head. Im just observing the fact that he has made bad reads and forced several throws in the last several camp report highlights. And although i'm confident he'll be more efficient then his predecessor, and i believe QBs all over the nation are throwing picks in spring scrimmages.... I'm still not convinced he is the answer this year.

 

[nyibis]

Well, we've got problems, but we have a bunch of bright spots. Tough for even the mopiest of mopes to deny our talent. WR group looks strong and can be among the best if Malc and Scott can get back. Coley is such a ****ing freak of nature.

Duke and Yearby being out looks to have a silver lining. Gus is getting a ton of reps and Tucker looks better than I hoped.

We should have a decent pass rush this year, outstanding compared to the last few years. We still have issues, but dammit man.....I can't help but be excited.

Nope the mopiest of the mopes will still mope

Did anyone see #30 fly across the field to run the interception return off the field. I believe that was the rb De'Andre Johnson. Shocking speed.

 

[lauderdaleballer]

And nine wins last year was luck. We should have lost to Wake and UNC. While there was no loss we should have won. Ball bounced our way the first seven games.

We won 9 games... Can't say we should have lost anything... That being said you can't really brag about the 9 wins when 3 of those games were against USF, FAU and SSU... Those were some extremely bad teams.

same can be said about A&M

I'm not an A&M fan celebrating their 9 wins against week opponents... We virtually remained the same due to our conference record from last year... However, those terrible OOC games helped us attain 9 wins...

every school is going to have those terrible OOC games, im happy he won those and not layed a egg with one of them like the gators

Yes every school has them but not every school is made out to be pretenders by struggling with every conference opponent and then get murdered by any opponent with a pulse... VT, Duke, Louisville and FSU destroyed us... I understand a one point upset but we were destroyed... All those OOC games did was give us a false sense of reality... Nothing to really celebrate about...