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Can we talk about what’s ACC/Refs beef with Miami

Gru said:


Dabo cooked
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He’s right on full-time officials. Allowing challenges on penalties would be interesting, but would cause additional delay.

What I think is working best right now is the NFL’s Replay Assist. They get the calls correct and do it quickly. But the ACC would mess pretty much anything up because it requires some level of competency.
 
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Hold My Beer said:
Pick a school, pick a conference ... those fans are gonna say the exact same thing about getting shafted by the refs.

It's like succeeding in life for most folks: Gotta be good enough to overcome getting the short end of the stick from time to time
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Gamblers don't have school loyalties.. its the bets that matter to them..
 
Ryanmilli said:
Except that is not what the rule says. It requires “intentional forward movement of the passer’s hand with the ball firmly in their control.” And because it was a fumble on the field, it had to be indisputable evidence to overturn.
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So u basically just re-posted what I said to be a contrarian? Did I not say he had control of the ball & his arm was going fwd? The play was set up for a screen as #27 leaked out the backfield. When Lucas hit from behind, Jennings had control of the ball, his arm was moving fwd, & the pass was slung into Bain’s gut.

There’s an unwritten rule called “open hand” which means even if the arm is moving fwd, if the hand has no control of the ball, & the ball goes fwd, that’s a fumble. If a QB has control of the ball & the arm goes fwd, they r AUTOMATICALLY going to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I don’t care how much u’re going to trying whine about this, this wasn’t a blown call. Complain about the non call on the Marion hold/PI, complain about the ticky tack Mauigoa call (even though we got that same call against UL), COMPLAIN ABOUT THE LIGHTFOOT CALL, but this?? Nah, homie, u’re dead wrong.
 
Rellyrell said:
So u basically just re-posted what I said to be a contrarian? Did I not say he had control of the ball & his arm was going fwd? The play was set up for a screen as #27 leaked out the backfield. When Lucas hit from behind, Jennings had control of the ball, his arm was moving fwd, & the pass was slung into Bain’s gut.

There’s an unwritten rule called “open hand” which means even if the arm is moving fwd, if the hand has no control of the ball, & the ball goes fwd, that’s a fumble. If a QB has control of the ball & the arm goes fwd, they r AUTOMATICALLY going to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I don’t care how much u’re going to trying whine about this, this wasn’t a blown call. Complain about the non call on the Marion hold/PI, complain about the ticky tack Mauigoa call (even though we got that same call against UL), COMPLAIN ABOUT THE LIGHTFOOT CALL, but this?? Nah, homie, u’re dead wrong.
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You said his arm was moving forward as a result of being hit. That is not “intentional.” It’s not even a voluntary movement. The rule also says the presumption of a pass in close calls does not apply to games with replay. If there’s some unwritten rule like you’re saying, it directly contradicts the plain language of the rule.

Putting aside the unwritten rule, do you see indisputable evidence of an intentional forward movement of the arm?
 
Ryanmilli said:
You said his arm was moving forward as a result of being hit. That is not “intentional.” It’s not even a voluntary movement. The rule also says the presumption of a pass in close calls does not apply to games with replay. If there’s some unwritten rule like you’re saying, it directly contradicts the plain language of the rule.

Putting aside the unwritten rule, do you see indisputable evidence of an intentional forward movement of the arm?
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I literally said once I saw the replay I knew they were going to overturn the call. Why? B/c he had control of the ball & his arm was going fwd. If u took the emotions out, & actually watch the play, u would see Lucas hesitate on his blitz b/c he pump his arm, & as Xavier hit him, his arm was motioning fwd & the momentum carried it.

I don’t care if u agree or not, I’m telling directly what two current refs confirmed that the QB is the most protected player on the field, not just on hits, but fumbles. Now pls, let it go.
 
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Rellyrell said:
I literally said once I saw the replay I knew they were going to overturn the call. Why? B/c he had control of the ball & his arm was going fwd. If u took the emotions out, & actually watch the play, u would see Lucas hesitate on his blitz b/c he pump his arm, & as Xavier hit him, his arm was motioning fwd & the momentum carried it.

I don’t care if u agree or not, I’m telling directly what two current refs confirmed that the QB is the most protected player on the field, not just on hits, but fumbles. Now pls, let it go.
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Was just getting your perspective in a thread discussing officiating of the SMU game. I don’t need to be right. Doesn’t really matter.
 
Ryanmilli said:
Was just getting your perspective in a thread discussing officiating of the SMU game. I don’t need to be right. Doesn’t really matter.
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I think the officiating was horrible, but not on this play. Initially I was very upset, until I saw the replay angle w him firmly holding the ball (pause). I don’t agree w it, never have agreed w it, but having convos w two former refs (one from the Trinity League in California & one for FCS football), let’s just call it the unintended consequences going back to 2002 to protect QBs & fumbles.

Now, all the other aforementioned calls that were either called or not called, absolutely. However, looking at the totality of the game, that’s not why we lost. We blew a lot of golden opportunities on their end of the field, including settling for 3 instead of 7 to end the half.
 
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Rellyrell said:
I think the officiating was horrible, but not on this play. Initially I was very upset, until I saw the replay angle w him firmly holding the ball (pause). I don’t agree w it, never have agreed w it, but having convos w two former refs (one from the Trinity League in California) & one for FCS football, call it the unintended consequences going back to 2002 to protect QBs & fumbles.

Now, all the other aforementioned calls that were either called or not called, absolutely. However, looking at the totality of the game, that’s not why we lost. We blew a lot of golden opportunities on their end of the field, including settling for 3 instead of 7 to end the half.
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Lofton drop was most brutal play of the game in every sense of the word.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Exactly; it was a good hit, no doubt, but just can’t see a player like Arroyo dropping that after that sort of hit.
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Should've never even been hit. Know where you are on the field and settle down. It was a great ball by Beck, it was to the back shoulder, away from the defender. If he sits down a hint and shows Beck his numbers, it's an easy TD. But he continues running right into a DB, the ball is on the back shoulder, DB lays a good hit on him, and it's a drop.

It was a good hit but one that should've never happened. Awareness level zero. Beck knew the deal, Lofton did not.
 
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