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Can Mark Richt become an elite coach at UM?

Tier I - Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh
Tier II - Jimbo, Les Miles, Bob Stoops,
Tier III - Richt, Dabo, Gundy

Richt is not an elite coach. Doesn't mean he won't win it all at Miami. Every coach at his tier level has the opportunity to win a championship maybe two. You don't have to be elite to win a championship and there's no reason to lie to ourselves about Richt. He's a good coach, but he's not elite.
 
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Semantics.

We can all agree that Saban and Myer are elite.
If we call anyone else elite is that saying they are on the same level as those two?

Maybe there should be an elite "Lite" designation.
(sarcasm)
 
NVA CANE said:
Tier I - Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh
Tier II - Jimbo, Les Miles, Bob Stoops,
Tier III - Richt, Dabo, Gundy

Richt is not an elite coach. Doesn't mean he won't win it all at Miami. Every coach at his tier level has the opportunity to win a championship maybe two. You don't have to be elite to win a championship and there's no reason to lie to ourselves about Richt. He's a good coach, but he's not elite.
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There it is ^
You posted this just as I was posting my slop.
 
NVA CANE said:
Tier I - Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh
Tier II - Jimbo, Les Miles, Bob Stoops,
Tier III - Richt, Dabo, Gundy

Richt is not an elite coach. Doesn't mean he won't win it all at Miami. Every coach at his tier level has the opportunity to win a championship maybe two. You don't have to be elite to win a championship and there's no reason to lie to ourselves about Richt. He's a good coach, but he's not elite.
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I agree with the top tier. I think 2 and 3 are almost interchangeable. Take away Miles and Fishers nattys. What make them stand out? Nothing. Richt just needs some talent and some luck and he'll win one here
 
brock said:
If y'all say richt is not elite then what does that make Butch Davis? Yeah he put together a great roster but what has he done in his entire head coaching career outside of that accomplishment? He didn't exactly win a championship either. None of our coaches who have been successful here before were anywhere near considered elite coaches yet when they got here they won big...
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Butch is definitely not an elite coach
 
Elite head coaches in my opinion are:

Meyer
Saban
Snyder- He is old, but he does so much with lesser talent. It seems like he goes JUCO so often bc he can't get the frosh there.
Harbaugh- But he hasn't actually won title yet.
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Miles
Jumbo
Rich Rod
Dana H
Art Briles
Richt

We could certainly add a few more coaches here!
 
imurcane said:
Elite head coaches in my opinion are:

Meyer
Saban
Snyder- He is old, but he does so much with lesser talent. It seems like he goes JUCO so often bc he can't get the frosh there.
Harbaugh- But he hasn't actually won title yet.
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Next tier
Miles
Jumbo
Rich Rod
Dana H
Art Briles
Richt

We could certainly add a few more coaches here!
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Dantonio is up there
 
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I would encouragement anyone that want to see richt's tenure for what it was go look at Georgia's history prior to him!!! Guy is a serious coach and with the crazy talent at his disposal he will win big time!!!
 
FrancisSaywer said:
Can Mark Richt draw on his experience as an OC at FSU and HC at UGA and make the jump to be considered an elite head coach at UM? I think it's a valid question given the fact that Richt is now sitting on top what is arguably the richest bed of high school football talent in the nation. It has been said many times that UM with all of the resources it has to offer makes head coaches not the other way around.

If we take a look at two of the most successful HC's in UM history Jimmy Johnson and Dennis Erickson and compare their respective records before and after UM with their records while at UM it is stunningly obvious that JJ and DE had their best years in terms of W/L while coaching UM and it isn't close.

Jimmy Johnson

Oklahoma State 29-25-3
Miami 52-9(1NC)

Dennis Errickson

Wyoming 6-6
Washington St. 12-10-1
Miami 63-9 (2 NC's)
Oregon State 31-17
Idaho 4-8
Arizona State 31-31

Mark Richt

Georgia 145-51
Miami ???????

Many people have made comments regarding Richts inability to win the big game and his head to head record against the likes of Saban, Myer, Miles....Now I'm certainly not trying to deny or spin any of Richts shortcomings or weaknesses. However when you realize that UGA was Richts first shot at being a head coach and guys like Saban, Meyer and Miles had the benefit of having multiple HC gigs under their respective belts, then I'm willing to cut Richt more than a little slack. Then when I see a record of 145-51 in his first go at being an HC at Georgia then I am even more impressed.

My entire point is that if Richt could go 145-51 at UGA in his first head coaching job, is it possible that he could come here and establish himself as an elite championship level coach considering the fact that two of our best HCs in JJ and DE had very mediocre and pedestrian records results before and after leaving UM?

Discuss,
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I think this was a match made in heaven!!
 
Nice post OP!

Here's the only difference between comparing what Richt is stepping into vs what JJ and Erickson stepped into:

Howard preceded JJ. Howard got folks believing in Miami football, made sure kids stayed home, and won a title. JJ slid right in after that, utilizing the same formula, and basically took over the keys to the Lambo. JJ didn't crash the Lambo, and then handed the keys to Erickson, who again, used the same formula that had preceded him, and didn't crash the Lambo either.

Richt situation is totally different. Who are his predessors?? Shannon and Golden...two of the most non-trusted coaches we've had here. They've dang near burned down the place! Richt is going to have to be Butch here, who took over a program after Erickson decided to get drunk behind the wheel from celebrating too much and crashed the Lambo. It took Butch some time to get the Lambo restored, but once he did, it began humming again.

The only positive is that I see Richt getting the Lambo restored a lot quicker than Butch did...but regardless, he's got work to do. He's going to have to gain the trust of parents and HS coaches again, and that trust is not going to come from some hand shakes, some visionary plan he has in mind, and being a man of Gawd; we just had a soothe-sayer leave this program, and I'm sure the community is quite tired of talking. If Richt can win now, which I truly believe he will, then that Lambo will start being restored ASAP.

Miami has had the quality of players, combined with favorable schedules, to be a Coastal Division Champion and a 10 win team each of the last two years. The cupboard is not bare, and if he can exercise the demons to get that 10th win this year, a level of trust will begin to be reborn here and he will be more than elite, he would be an icon here.
 
NVA CANE said:
Tier I - Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh
Tier II - Jimbo, Les Miles, Bob Stoops,
Tier III - Richt, Dabo, Gundy

Richt is not an elite coach. Doesn't mean he won't win it all at Miami. Every coach at his tier level has the opportunity to win a championship maybe two. You don't have to be elite to win a championship and there's no reason to lie to ourselves about Richt. He's a good coach, but he's not elite.
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Well, based on accomplishments Richt is the best pure coach of all the names up there. 3 of his QBs at FSU while coordinating were in contention for the Heisman with 3 completely different styles of play. 2 won the Heisman and 1 came in second. Who up there directly coached more than one heisman player, let alone 3? What happened at UGA was a high-character coach, good enough to win it all, who ultimately didn't get it done. Does not mean Richt is any less the football "coach" than a Saban or Meyer, who have demonstrated questionable characters throughout their coaching careers by Jumping ship for greener pastures when it suited them.

Maybe had he been more selfishly hellbent on winning at all costs, he would have been able to get over that hump at UGA. But I don't believe there is a more respected coach/person in the game. He's a better coach and person than anyone up there and it's not even close.

You should clarify what you mean by "coach". If you mean Xs/Os then you're all wrong, because Richt is elite and in a class by himself. If you mean win-first--develop kids second--type egomaniacal CEO and champion, then yea, he's not at Saban and Meyer's level.
 
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Mahoney-Pearson said:
Neil said:
MovingZen said:
I think he's the most proven coach Miami has ever hired...
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firstandcanes said:
Richt might be the most known commodity we've ever hired...
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Coach Saban won a championship in the NFL before he came to the U. How can you compare him to a coach (HS) who was just an OC on an NFL winning team or one (CMR) who only won the SEC?
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Where and when did Saban win an NFL championship?
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My bad, I should've said professional championships. He won the AFL twice with the Buffalo Bills about 10 years before he came to the University of Miami.
 
Yes it is possible. Unfortunately recruits need to see the proof on the field, plus an IPF.
 
I agree with this. I think that Butch had the potential to be elite, but he chose to leave when the program was on the cusp of winning multiple championships...

It's unfortunate for both the Canes and Davis, but it is what it is....

smack99 said:
brock said:
If y'all say richt is not elite then what does that make Butch Davis? Yeah he put together a great roster but what has he done in his entire head coaching career outside of that accomplishment? He didn't exactly win a championship either. None of our coaches who have been successful here before were anyone near considered elite coaches yet when they got here they won big...
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Butch Davis was never an elite coach either. He was an elite recruiter, there's a difference. Also Butch went into a real rough situation and turned the program back into the right direction and basically assembled the greatest college football team ever. Just because he didn't coach that 2001 team, doesn't mean he shouldn't be credited with it. As far as past coaches not having a ton of success before here, well there's a difference between Oklahoma State(JJ) and Washington State(Erickson) than Georgia. Georgia underperformed for many years with Richt. He couldn't win the big games and never won a NC. Winning a NC a Georgia is a lot easier than Oklahoma State and Washington State. Richt is a good coach but not elite and just because you're a homer and think everybody associated with program is great, doesn't make it true. **** you were riding Golden for the longest time too.
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Having followed CMR intimately for the last 15 yrs...that is why I am on this board....I know his strengths and weaknesses. His biggest weakness is not coaching up th coaches as Saban does...He basically lets the coaches do their on thing even when their product does not work..his last OC is a prime example...having to go in OT to beat Georgia Southrn because of no offense...I have seen almost an entire breakdown on one side of the ball and did not want the coordinator to leave....I don't think he will change, that is not his makeup.....So it is critical his coach hires work.
 
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