Can Mark Richt become an elite coach at UM?

[Gatorhater]

Going into 1984, who was considered the better coach. Barry Switzer, Tom Osbourne, or Jimmy Johnson? JJ was what, 0-10 against OU and Nebraska while at OSU?

Well, JJ proved to be the best because he beat MIAMI twice -- Against TN and PSU. Barry never did and Tom had to sell his soul to satan to finally win one.

 

[Gatorhater]

Maybe winning a NC doesn't make you elite but you must win one to be elite. The view never changes if you are not the lead dog. So Mark is not one, yet. I think he gets one here. He has top five daft pick at QB who is pure Miami level QB. Mark should beat Jimbo this year(Rapist is gone and Jimbo is spoiled by just waiting to make half time adjustments and watching other sideline look at charts wondering what the heck happened. You got to believe Mark hangs more points on noles than Golden ever dreamed of. If Kool can't get after Cook in the backfield and batter him then he is not the DLine coach we hope. By the way, who is fsu's QB this year? Exactly.

 

[bshaw28]

Difference between JJ and Erickson, is they didn't come to Miami after being fired from their last school like Richt did. I'd say getting fired pretty much disqualifies him from being "elite".

But if he continues to be an elite recruiter, then he just has to be a good coach, and Miami will be fine.

 

[surfcane]

Difference between JJ and Erickson, is they didn't come to Miami after being fired from their last school like Richt did. I'd say getting fired pretty much disqualifies him from being "elite".

So, would Bill Belichick not be considered an elite coach since he was fired?
How about Pete Carroll who was fired not once but twice (the 2nd time before he became head coach at USC)?

 

[Dirty Sprite]

Difference between JJ and Erickson, is they didn't come to Miami after being fired from their last school like Richt did. I'd say getting fired pretty much disqualifies him from being "elite".

But if he continues to be an elite recruiter, then he just has to be a good coach, and Miami will be fine.

Mark Richt is an elite head coach the end

 

[westcoastcanes]

With his current career winning percentage, the answer to OP's question is yes, he can become elite with a number of conference championships and a national championship or two at Miami before he hangs em up.

And as a side note, I find it very unlikely Miami fans would be calling a coach with two conference titles, no national championships, and his main rival's ***** over a 15 year span elite if they were not talking about their own. I doubt this fan base would even accept him replicating what he did at Georgia here, at least I wouldn't.

 

[Neil]

I think he's the most proven coach Miami has ever hired...

Richt might be the most known commodity we've ever hired...

Coach Saban won a championship in the NFL before he came to the U. How can you compare him to a coach (HS) who was just an OC on an NFL winning team or one (CMR) who only won the SEC?

Where and when did Saban win an NFL championship?

My bad, I should've said professional championships. He won the AFL twice with the Buffalo Bills about 10 years before he came to the University of Miami.

Chief, Nick Saban never coached at the U. He coached the dolphins... His dad Lou Saban coached at the U and didn't win anything. What are you talking about?

Coach Lou Saban won two pro championships as a head coach before he came to the U. When have we ever hired a coach with that kind of resumè? He didn't win here because he had to leave early, but he brought in the elite recruits who turned the program around and started winning. Guys like Jim Kelly. HS and MR came with great history too, but not quite as impressive.

 

[bshaw28]

Difference between JJ and Erickson, is they didn't come to Miami after being fired from their last school like Richt did. I'd say getting fired pretty much disqualifies him from being "elite".

So, would Bill Belichick not be considered an elite coach since he was fired?
How about Pete Carroll who was fired not once but twice (the 2nd time before he became head coach at USC)?

They would, but.....

That's 2 examples. It can definitely happen, but an overwhelming majority of the time coaches that are "elite" do not get fired.

Both were NFL examples. Can you name when it's happened to a college coach?

Belichick became elite when he lucked into one of the greatest QB's of all time, and Pete Carroll became elite by being the best recruiter of the last 20 years.

I always lean to the players/talent being more important than the coaches. So I think if Richt is bringing in top 5 type recruiting classes, he's more than good enough to win an NC here. But if we're bringing in top 15 type classes like we have been, he's not a good enough coach to make up for that talent gap. The talent he recruits will go further in determining his success than the coaching job he does.

 

[TemplarCane]

You are crazy if you don't think fisher is elite, won a title in his first 5 years, has the second best roster in the nation annually and is a perineal top 5 team

Fisher needs to prove he can win over a sustained period. That will be difficult if Clemson can maintain their current level of play and if Richt returns Miami to our expectations. I think the ACC is better, and tougher, with Richt at Miami and Fuentes at VaTech.

The only elite coaches, IMO, are Saban and Meyer. They have the hardware to prove it. Their toughest games were usually against each other. They are two of the best recruiters.

 

[TemplarCane]

Difference between JJ and Erickson, is they didn't come to Miami after being fired from their last school like Richt did. I'd say getting fired pretty much disqualifies him from being "elite".

So, would Bill Belichick not be considered an elite coach since he was fired?
How about Pete Carroll who was fired not once but twice (the 2nd time before he became head coach at USC)?

They would, but.....

That's 2 examples. It can definitely happen, but an overwhelming majority of the time coaches that are "elite" do not get fired.

Both were NFL examples. Can you name when it's happened to a college coach?

Belichick became elite when he lucked into one of the greatest QB's of all time, and Pete Carroll became elite by being the best recruiter of the last 20 years.

I always lean to the players/talent being more important than the coaches. So I think if Richt is bringing in top 5 type recruiting classes, he's more than good enough to win an NC here. But if we're bringing in top 15 type classes like we have been, he's not a good enough coach to make up for that talent gap. The talent he recruits will go further in determining his success than the coaching job he does.

No coach consistently wins at an elite level without the best players. Saban was a .500 coach at Michigan State before LSU hired him. Meyer has never really lost, but he had the best talent in his conference at Utah, and some of the best talent in the country at UF and OSU.

Erickson was average at Arizona State, where he had average talent.

I have no doubt Richt will haul in Top 5 classes at Miami. Where he needs to prove himself is coaching hires. Will he pull the trigger and replace coaches who are performing? Or, can he draw top assistants to replace coaches that move on?

 

[CanesAreAble]

You guys are way overrating Miles. The guy's a moron. He's an elite recruiter with a great budget to hire top coordinators. Yet his offense is amongst the worst in football on a consistent basis.

Patterson coaches circles around him. So does a guy like Dantonio. And Briles. I'd take Herman in a heartbeat over Miles.

Jizzbo is another recruiting machine who is not an elite coach. He and Richt are actually pretty similar to me. Top recruiters who don't get the most out of their talent.

This.

Miles tried to call a timeout after a ******* interception.


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[Waterfall]

I agree Richt isn't elite yet but can prove himself elite. He has more access to talent than he had at UGA.

 

[Waterfall]

Miles is a great coach. People just pick on him because he's so unconventional. I'd definitely take him over Richt no questions asked. Miles has a better win % at LSU than Saban did.

Georgia has more football talent than Louisiana. Plus it's only one state away from Florida while Louisiana's 3 states away. In addition Miles coaches against SEC West competition while Richt coached in the SEC East.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Miles is a great coach. People just pick on him because he's so unconventional. I'd definitely take him over Richt no questions asked. Miles has a better win % at LSU than Saban did.

Georgia has more football talent than Louisiana. Plus it's only one state away from Florida while Louisiana's 3 states away. In addition Miles coaches against SEC West competition while Richt coached in the SEC East.

Miles has a better % because Saban had to build up the program after Gerry DiNardo left them in shambles. They were not some powerhouse program.

Louisiana has a ton of talent, and what does Florida being 3 states away have to do with anything? Texas is right next to Louisiana. There isn't quite as much competition for Louisiana talent versus Georgia. There are more major programs in close proximity in Georgia.

BTW Richt has a winning record against Miles.

 

[BALLHAWKU]

No doubt. We hit a home run with this hire. I love JJ and Erickson..I love what they did. Richt can do all of that and more because he is in for the long haul. We gonna be good real fast and stay good for a real long time with him at the helm. Finally! We have everything a program needs to dominate CFB for a long, long time.

The biggest different will be he will not be handcuffed like he was at ga . Second he will not have as brutal as a schecule every year . He will have a key to the city pretty much and allowed to run his team the way he likes