Can’t just throw money at the problem

[Trafficante]

If we run the program properly, it will return to being a stepping stone for coaches with ambition. That’s what it can be, and it won’t be more than that. This whole ‘miami’s a destination job’ garbage you hear coaches saying, that should be a red fuggin flag right there. Destination Miami means mail it in and enjoy the JJ fishing circuit. Either that, or it’s a fancy way of saying ‘had no better offers.’. We should be hiring guys who can’t wait to get hired to the next gig and know what they have to do to get it - WIN! We’ve become some bad version of Bo Schembechler Michigan will be run by a michigan man blah blah. If a coach wins big here and wants to stay, great. That should be his ambition, not ours. We’re hiring coaches to win, not build empires or retire.

In this thread you've simultaneously acknowledged that its difficult to win with multiple HCs in succession, and also claimed that MIA should not be a destination job. How is that possible? If MIA is unable to allocate the necessary resources to retain successful HCs, why would you expect them to allocate resources to develop & implement an infrastructure that is conducive to winning? No one is claiming that $$ guarantees you a championship in this sport. Clearly it doesn't. Without it though it severely limits your chances & probability of winning one. There is simply no other precedent of a program that annually contends for NCs, and is also a stepping stone job. This is the only fanbase in the world that insists on maintaining these sort of unrealistic expectations. In many ways this program has become a victim of it's own success, by severely distorting the perception of reality for those associated with it. How many yrs of unmet expectations will it take before these people realize that the 20 yrs of dominance in this program's history were an anomaly and not the norm?

 

[Ethnicsands]

In this thread you've simultaneously acknowledged that its difficult to win with multiple HCs in succession, and also claimed that MIA should not be a destination job. How is that possible? If MIA is unable to allocate the necessary resources to retain successful HCs, why would you expect them to allocate resources to develop & implement an infrastructure that is conducive to winning? No one is claiming that $$ guarantees you a championship in this sport. Clearly it doesn't. Without it though it severely limits your chances & probability of winning one. There is simply no other precedent of a program that annually contends for NCs, and is also a stepping stone job. This is the only fanbase in the world that insists on maintaining these sort of unrealistic expectations. In many ways this program has become a victim of it's own success, by severely distorting the perception of reality for those associated with it. How many yrs of unmet expectations will it take before these people realize that the 20 yrs of dominance in this program's history were an anomaly and not the norm?

You sound confused or you misunderstand my comments. It’s a fact that it’s hard to win with coaching change. It’s also a fact that Miami isn’t a ’destination job’ for coaches who have real options, and it never has been. I’m not arguing what ‘should’ be. I’m just telling it like it is.

It’s not that hard to do a stratrgic assessment of UM’s situation and realize that the old formula can work and the fantasy crack pipe dreams won’t. We have things that can attract up n coming coaches. Hard isn’t impossible, if we keep the talent here and play So Fla style football. When UM coaches succeed they may leave. Okay. That’s a workable plan. You know what isn’t workable? Lying to ourselves to think we’re some destination job when we have never been that.

 

[Trafficante]

You sound confused or you misunderstand my comments. It’s a fact that it’s hard to win with coaching change. It’s also a fact that Miami isn’t a ’destination job’ for coaches who have real options, and it never has been. I’m not arguing what ‘should’ be. I’m just telling it like it is.

It’s not that hard to do a stratrgic assessment of UM’s situation and realize that the old formula can work and the fantasy crack pipe dreams won’t. We have things that can attract up n coming coaches. Hard isn’t impossible, if we keep the talent here and play So Fla style football. When UM coaches succeed they may leave. Okay. That’s a workable plan. You know what isn’t workable? Lying to ourselves to think we’re some destination job when we have never been that.

I'm saying it's all related. The same reasons why MIA can't retain a successful HC, are the same reasons why it can't make the right hires, nor develop & implement an infrastructure that is conducive to winning. They're just different sides of the same coin. I'm confused as to why you think the old formula can be effective in today's era of CFB? The recruiting base advantage this program once had over it's contemporaries is no longer as significant as it once was. For a variety of reasons

 

[Ethnicsands]

I'm saying it's all related. The same reasons why MIA can't retain a successful HC, are the same reasons why it can't make the right hires, nor develop & implement an infrastructure that is conducive to winning. They're just different sides of the same coin. I'm confused as to why you think the old formula can be effective in today's era of CFB? The recruiting base advantage this program once had over it's contemporaries is no longer as significant as it once was. For a variety of reasons

I completely disagree. I’m confused as to why anyone would think we don’t maintain a potential recruiting base advantage or that the old formula can’t work anymore. The last 20 years has proven that hiring incompetent ***** as cosches and having an admin that doesn’t support a serious program means you won’t win. No surprise. Our recruiting base is terrific. We haven’t deserved to do better than we have with it, because we aren’t selling a competent product competently.

You are assuming your conclusion. It is not the case that ‘The same reasons why MIA can't retain a successful HC, are the same reasons why it can't make the right hires, nor develop & implement an infrastructure that is conducive to winning.’ Miami hired successful coaches in JJ. DE and Butch to replace guys it couldn’t retain. Repeated inability to make the right hire is incompetence, not something else. Infrastructure isn’t rocket science. Miami can fix its program if it chooses to.

Our fans hsve so internalized failure they think the world changed too much for us to compete, when the truth is, we have just sucked and not tried.

 

[Ethnicsands]

It’s amazing we hire 5 straight incompetent coaches and many of our fans think the problem is the world changed on us.

 

[canesthing3]

I shouldn’t be surprised by the Kirby Smart/UGA dïck sucking going on in this thread. What exactly has he won that CMR didn’t or even seems poised to win in the future? His team is on the same level as Manny’s(in his 2nd season)who is constantly dragged on this board. This thread reads like we are still in 2019 and not in fact ranked #9 in the country with big time recruits ready to sign in a couple weeks.

Don’t talk to me about unimpressive victories either. We’re like a week removed from UGA generating no push or separation while barely beating a bad Miss St team that was missing **** near half it’s roster.

This Kirby Smart love affair needs to stop.

 

[BJ305]

Looking all over cfb especially Texas Michigan and Georgia and the amount of money those schools have spent since 2015 on staff and facilities. We’re talking hundreds of millions of dollars.
The coaching hires and money spent on recruiting has yielded a total of jack sht.

I know we complain about not having the cash that those schools have and yes Miami was way behind in terms of facilities.
But 245 at a high school gym still weighs 245 at Oregon’s or Bama’s gym.

Right now facilities and housing are the last thing a recruit needs to complain about if deciding between um and another program.
No it ain’t Oregon or Clemson but if the quality of the sofa or how the building looks is what will make or break your decision then you’re in the wrong line of work imo.

UM still has to show some in field improvement but other schools have shown that paying a coach 8 million dollars and having a locker that dries your cleats ain’t doing sht to increase the w’s at most schools.

I never understood why high school kids

I'd have to disagree that throwing more money at coaches wouldn't help big time.

like harbaugh ??

Imagine if Miami were willing to up the ante and pay Lashlee $3M/year to stay as offensive coordinator for the next five years. Imagine what the continuity would do for the offense and for recruiting.

Far more than Clemson's athletic facility with its slides and roller coasters, the key to their rise was their coordinators staying in place. At any other program, those two would have been out the door no later than 2017 to head coaching positions on their own.

No amount Of money will make him stay an offensive coordinator, if a school offer him an head coaching job especially a big time school

 

[DTP]

1) imagine what our record would be if we were down to our 3-4th string qb like Uga is

Wouldn’t be a problem if he didn’t chase off Heisman quarterbacks to play lame ducks because he’s **** bent on using a 30 year old offensive system. Kirby will either bite the bullet and make the transition to a modern offense or he will never make the jump and eventually be replaced. Nick Saban was willing to do it but Kirby still trying to win 17-10 games

 

[Canedude08]

It’s amazing we hire 5 straight incompetent coaches and many of our fans think the problem is the world changed on us.

Actually, the world HAS CHANGED on Miami, and those that refuse to admit it are part of the problem. The things that made Miami, a program that was one Board of Trustees vote away from not even having a program into THE program of the 80s and early 90s are no longer there for the most part. Thanks to extremely lax rule enforcement(Compared to previous generations, this is lax), schools like Clemson can come down to Miami and grab kids by outright throwing bags around. 30-40 years ago, the bag game in South Florida wasn't nearly as prevalent as it was in other places like Texas. Miami has been priced out of a good number of recruits that 30-40 years ago, Miami had a fighting chance of getting. The culture down in South Florida itself has changed as well: It is far more mercenary than before. When in Howard's day, a kid would want to stay home and play big time football(They merely needed an opportunity), these kids are willing to go places and play for people that straight up hate their guts. The pride in "The Crib" isn't nearly as great as it once was. Combine that with the expansion of teams at the FBS level, and you have a different talent pool than what Howard and JJ dealt with in their day.

Can Miami recruit at a high level and be a nationally relevant program? Yes, there is still enough talent to where a coach with a legit plan and an eye for talent can be competitive. That said, it's extremely difficult to be elite when you are playing moneyball year in and year out. College football has become "Richest team usually wins". It isn't an accident that Alabama, Ohio State and Clemson are out in front right now. They have the resources to fix a lot of issues quickly, and even when they are down, they can continue to accumulate talent until they hit on the right leader. Is it possible for a team to not win despite overwhelming financial resources? Yes, Michigan having one National Championship since the Truman administration is proof of that.

That said, we need to have realistic expectations. Being a solid top 15 program, with occasional trips to the CFP and cashing in when there is the ceiling, unless we see a drastic change in the culture, or Miami gets a sugardaddy donor that can personally ensure Miami has the best of everything.

 

[Golsen82]

Maybe the millennial trust fund kids just giving money away can throw some our way

 

[MainLineCane]

Sorry maybe in the short term...but over the long haul I have yet to see a problem that continually throwing large sums of $$$ at it couldn't eventually solve it.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Actually, the world HAS CHANGED on Miami, and those that refuse to admit it are part of the problem. The things that made Miami, a program that was one Board of Trustees vote away from not even having a program into THE program of the 80s and early 90s are no longer there for the most part. Thanks to extremely lax rule enforcement(Compared to previous generations, this is lax), schools like Clemson can come down to Miami and grab kids by outright throwing bags around. 30-40 years ago, the bag game in South Florida wasn't nearly as prevalent as it was in other places like Texas. Miami has been priced out of a good number of recruits that 30-40 years ago, Miami had a fighting chance of getting. The culture down in South Florida itself has changed as well: It is far more mercenary than before. When in Howard's day, a kid would want to stay home and play big time football(They merely needed an opportunity), these kids are willing to go places and play for people that straight up hate their guts. The pride in "The Crib" isn't nearly as great as it once was. Combine that with the expansion of teams at the FBS level, and you have a different talent pool than what Howard and JJ dealt with in their day.

Can Miami recruit at a high level and be a nationally relevant program? Yes, there is still enough talent to where a coach with a legit plan and an eye for talent can be competitive. That said, it's extremely difficult to be elite when you are playing moneyball year in and year out. College football has become "Richest team usually wins". It isn't an accident that Alabama, Ohio State and Clemson are out in front right now. They have the resources to fix a lot of issues quickly, and even when they are down, they can continue to accumulate talent until they hit on the right leader. Is it possible for a team to not win despite overwhelming financial resources? Yes, Michigan having one National Championship since the Truman administration is proof of that.

That said, we need to have realistic expectations. Being a solid top 15 program, with occasional trips to the CFP and cashing in when there is the ceiling, unless we see a drastic change in the culture, or Miami gets a sugardaddy donor that can personally ensure Miami has the best of everything.

lmao. Talk about logic fail. Clemson hasn’t won by throwing bags around Miami. And you’re blaming the victim saying Miami kids blah blah go elsewhere when we’ve proven as a school not to give a **** about the program. They were right to go elsewhere. The issue isn’t the environment or kids - it’s our effort and infrastructure.

 

[skeeper]

It's not just about money to spend, it is how u spend it, and the people that are making those decisions, and the decision making process on how to spend it.

If it was easy, Texas, Michigan et al would be competing for NC's. Not a perfect science.

 

[Empirical Cane]

Looking all over cfb especially Texas Michigan and Georgia and the amount of money those schools have spent since 2015 on staff and facilities. We’re talking hundreds of millions of dollars.
The coaching hires and money spent on recruiting has yielded a total of jack sht.

I know we complain about not having the cash that those schools have and yes Miami was way behind in terms of facilities.
But 245 at a high school gym still weighs 245 at Oregon’s or Bama’s gym.

Right now facilities and housing are the last thing a recruit needs to complain about if deciding between um and another program.
No it ain’t Oregon or Clemson but if the quality of the sofa or how the building looks is what will make or break your decision then you’re in the wrong line of work imo.

UM still has to show some in field improvement but other schools have shown that paying a coach 8 million dollars and having a locker that dries your cleats ain’t doing sht to increase the w’s at most schools.

FSU spent $55MM on Taggert's total life cycle FTE cost.

 

[Empirical Cane]

I think Kirby has peaked. He’s lost his team and outside of getting a heisman caliber quarterback, he’s CMR 2.0

He may show himself to be less than CMR.

 

[Empirical Cane]

These big schools Michigan, Texas, Penn State and a few others, NEED to hire new coaches.. Find y'all a young bull who is on the upcoming and stop chasing coaches that WIN a few games at a school thinking their going to be the next big thang!! We see this too much (Except Michigan), a coach WINS a few big games for a small fbs program and these big programs hire them and 4 years later there looking for a replacement.. It's like these big programs look for the big name coach (ex. Hugh Freeze) he's at Liberty winning "OK, AND" now he's a hot name for a big program needing a coach BUT what has he really done? I few good WINS but he didn't take down a elite program.. BUT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS, and 4 years later these programs looking for another big story type coach..

PSU is stuck with Franklin for time being as he signed large extension and buyout in February.