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E1k said:
This is always funny, so you’re asking me how would the guy who was an all american play over on a team with no all Americans and no wr who has produced more than him?

Did ward have a top offense before here, he played 4 years before here was he considered one of the greatest qbs in cfb history? He had way faster wrs than X did they ever produce as much as X? Where are those faster wrs he had now? Are they on nfl teams? What about marion he is faster than X did he get drafted? What about rambo he faster did he get drafted? What about jeff Thomas he faster than everyone where is he? You see how dumb this logic is?

Because our current wrs run faster you think for some reason they won’t end up on a nfl practice squad too? Just dumb logic to hate on a great cane, every off season its the same ****

When he was making big and clutch plays no one ever said hmm i wonder what he will run in a 40 yard dash. Yall said the room was elevated last year too because of similar reasons and what happened?
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a fellow night owl ...
my position takes nuance ... but if all were equal with no pre-existing accolades, despite how good x was, he doesn't get the same snaps in our current room

and my op never spoke down on x, his 40 time is verified, we all saw it ... but you make a fair point when you say there are plenty of guys that have speed that don't make a team ... you also make a fair point about x's year prior to cam ... with that said, one guy in this conversation is considered the best at his position at the university of miami in 20+ years ...
 
ageezy said:
and he still threw for 4k ... let that sink in

edit: no shade at x, but i think this speaks to the greatness of cam and how we've elevated the wr room
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Restrepo ran that 204 +lbs
I’m willing to bet 190 lbs Restrepo
Runs 4.68. He came to do that 40 uncharacteristically unprepared.

Restrepo was just too heavy for that frame & there are technical ways to improve a 40 (not considerably ) but could shave.

I don’t think the Reatrepo we saw on the field was a 4.8 Guy in pads.

For what is worth.
 
ageezy said:
a fellow night owl ...
my position takes nuance ... but if all were equal with no pre-existing accolades, despite how good x was, he doesn't get the same snaps in our current room

and my op never spoke down on x, his 40 time is verified, we all saw it ... but you make a fair point when you say there are plenty of guys that have speed that don't make a team ... you also make a fair point about x's year prior to cam ... with that said, one guy in this conversation is considered the best at his position at the university of miami in 20+ years ...
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Another way to downplay X, like yea lets take away everything he did on the field lmao wtf

And Yes he does still play, you not understanding that he does is why your take isn’t nuanced at all. It seems the root of this take is speed and what you think athleticism is. That is leaving out all the nuance it takes to be a great wr, X would still be the best separator on this team and only toney is close and even he is still raw compared to X


Nothing toney did as a receiver this past year was something X didn’t do, he even did it with tvd lmao. Saying an all American wr doesn’t see snaps on this team is plain stupid
 
E1k said:
Another way to downplay X, like yea lets take away everything he did on the field lmao wtf

And Yes he does still play, you not understanding that he does is why your take isn’t nuanced at all. It seems the root of this take is speed and what you think athleticism is. That is leaving out all the nuance it takes to be a great wr, X would still be the best separator on this team and only toney is close and even he is still raw compared to X


Nothing toney did as a receiver this past year was something X didn’t do, he even did it with tvd lmao. Saying an all American wr doesn’t see snaps on this team is plain stupid
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is it possible to point out facts without it downplaying a guy?

if we can't agree that the athletic profile of our wr room has improved then we can just agree to disagree
 
The stupidest thing Restrepo ever did was run a 40 at pro day. If he leaves then guessing, he probably gets drafted.

I’ve said it before that he definitely has run much faster 40 times or he would never have done it at the pro day. Rather leave them thinking you might be slow than prove you are. I don’t know if it was injury or too much weight or whatever but you know dude was likely consistently faster in previous attempts.

Did he ever look slow on the field? I’m not asking if he looked fast. I’m asking if there was ever a time you saw Restrepo playing and thought “****, this dude is too slow”. Because there’s a big difference between being “not fast” and “slow”.
 
jtwist89 said:
Hope he can get out of that terrible franchise. Can go down as 1 of the greats.
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Looks like they're at least trying to get better on paper. Ridley, Tate and Robinson at WR. Not a bad trio. Helm isn't bad. RB room has potential. They brought in ~10 new OL. Daboll isn't a complete dummy.
 
DTP said:
The stupidest thing Restrepo ever did was run a 40 at pro day. If he leaves then guessing, he probably gets drafted.

I’ve said it before that he definitely has run much faster 40 times or he would never have done it at the pro day. Rather leave them thinking you might be slow than prove you are. I don’t know if it was injury or too much weight or whatever but you know dude was likely consistently faster in previous attempts.

Did he ever look slow on the field? I’m not asking if he looked fast. I’m asking if there was ever a time you saw Restrepo playing and thought “****, this dude is too slow”. Because there’s a big difference between being “not fast” and “slow”.
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i wasn't out to throw shade at x ... spoke facts in terms of his verified time ... two things can be true ... he was a good wr but also his athletic profile is below those of our current room
 
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ageezy said:
downplay or speak facts? nobody is hating on restrepo, but in comparison to our current room who does he start over? it speaks to elevating the room ... the 1k season prior to ward is fair ... however ward authored the best offense in the country and arguably the best qb in past 20 yrs with his leading receiver being a nfl practice player, cmon now
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Let’s not forget that George’s production was the same the previous season also without Cam. So there’s that. Biggest difference was that we had no defense when Cam was here and had to outscore everyone lol. He also had a great TE and two deep threat guys as WR 3&4. We had the perfect formula and circumstances to be the #1 offense, it wasn’t just Cam Ward.
 
lurker said:
We have the worst fanbase. Dude gave it his all while here, made the most out of his talent, made numerous clutch plays, IS THE ALL TIME MIAMI HURRICANE LEADER IN CATCHES, but our fans still indirectly **** on him because of his 40 time.
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Restrepo was the top target for some of the same reasons Toney was a top target. They can both get open in a phone booth, and catch darn near everything. 40 times mean nothing to those guys in college. Those types will always be the leading receivers, because no coach on the planet will tell a QB to forget about the open guy and just chick it deep to the fast guy. Well, not now that Al Davis is dead.

Cam Ward is a great, great QB, and he was smart enough to know you gotta hit the guy that's open. Do that and you'll have your deep shots when you need them.

All that being said, we do have more talent at WR than we've had in a very, very long time, and Ward would have done very well with them.
 
Juanmanuel V said:
Restrepo ran that 204 +lbs
I’m willing to bet 190 lbs Restrepo
Runs 4.68. He came to do that 40 uncharacteristically unprepared.

Restrepo was just too heavy for that frame & there are technical ways to improve a 40 (not considerably ) but could shave.

I don’t think the Reatrepo we saw on the field was a 4.8 Guy in pads.

For what is worth.
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Restrepp being unprepared is somehow less believable than the post 4.8 rumors of injury.
 
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brcane1 said:
unprepared
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Unprepared or poorly informed? Some people are just given bad advice. I would've attempted to make him the springiest and fastest he'd ever felt knowing he would:
1- run a 40
2- said 40 would be heavily scrutinized
3- he would need a great broad and vertical test as well
4- he'd be fine in his route running because that part he knows on his own

After testing then we'd go back to focusing on acceleration, true agility and putting more size on him for OTA's / camp / etc. Also I would've taught him how to track, scallup and tackle on KO/Punt so he's more versatile
 
Ironmanfootball said:
Unprepared or poorly informed? Some people are just given bad advice. I would've attempted to make him the springiest and fastest he'd ever felt knowing he would:
1- run a 40
2- said 40 would be heavily scrutinized
3- he would need a great broad and vertical test as well
4- he'd be fine in his route running because that part he knows on his own

After testing then we'd go back to focusing on acceleration, true agility and putting more size on him for OTA's / camp / etc. Also I would've taught him how to track, scallup and tackle on KO/Punt so he's more versatile
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Really bad advice does appear to be our occams razor.
 
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