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TitansHope said:
some of you guys need to at least pretend you watch the titans before spouting off nonsense like this
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Who on that line is competent then? Jc? Turnstyle. Offensive line play more often than not comes down to cohesion more than individual talent. I know they played a lot of different line ups for various reasons. Maybe that was their biggest issue. But at no point did I see competent line play out of any of their line ups. What I saw tells me no matter how tough Cam is, he better hurry up and get out of the pocket or he's gonna have a short career.
 
Brooklyndee said:
Who on that line is competent then? Jc? Turnstyle. Offensive line play more often than not comes down to cohesion more than individual talent. I know they played a lot of different line ups for various reasons. Maybe that was their biggest issue. But at no point did I see competent line play out of any of their line ups. What I saw tells me no matter how tough Cam is, he better hurry up and get out of the pocket or he's gonna have a short career.
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Enough about the ****** Titans, who do you pick at #5 if you are making the call for the Giants?
 
Brooklyndee said:
Who on that line is competent then? Jc? Turnstyle. Offensive line play more often than not comes down to cohesion more than individual talent. I know they played a lot of different line ups for various reasons. Maybe that was their biggest issue. But at no point did I see competent line play out of any of their line ups. What I saw tells me no matter how tough Cam is, he better hurry up and get out of the pocket or he's gonna have a short career.
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peter skoronski had a borderline all pro level season and is one of the best young guards in the nfl. kevin zeitler was a solid veteran guard on the other side. both graded out as top 10 interior offensive linemen per PFF but more importantly it was pretty obvious on the field that our guard play was good. it’s part of why we had success running gap scheme.

both tackles had a rough start to the year, latham especially because he was dealing with an injury, but both settled in as the year went on. neither are anything more than average. you hope to replace dan moore with a franchise LT at some point but until then he’s not an active liability. latham you hope develops as a young, talented player but again, he’s more middling than he is outright bad. neither of those guys warrant further investment of a top 5 pick at tackle, especially in a draft without an absolute home run tackle prospect. center was easily our worst position, as lloyd cushenberry was pretty bad all year- part of why he was cut this offseason. we have some work to do there, but quality interior offensive linemen are very often found in the mid-late rounds.
 
Angry Ibis said:
Enough about the ****** Titans, who do you pick at #5 if you are making the call for the Giants?
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If Francis is still on the board I go him. If not I'm okay with Downs or Styles. Styles & downs that's a lil bit of a reach and would be the same for tate. Don't want Fano or lemon. Don't want Love. Wouldn't feel horrible about trading down depending on what you get back. Main reason I been so ****ed off these last two years with these meaningless late season wins. Get that #1 and make moves from a position of power
 
TitansHope said:
peter skoronski had a borderline all pro level season and is one of the best young guards in the nfl. kevin zeitler was a solid veteran guard on the other side. both graded out as top 10 interior offensive linemen per PFF but more importantly it was pretty obvious on the field that our guard play was good. it’s part of why we had success running gap scheme.

both tackles had a rough start to the year, latham especially because he was dealing with an injury, but both settled in as the year went on. neither are anything more than average. you hope to replace dan moore with a franchise LT at some point but until then he’s not an active liability. latham you hope develops as a young, talented player but again, he’s more middling than he is outright bad. neither of those guys warrant further investment of a top 5 pick at tackle, especially in a draft without an absolute home run tackle prospect. center was easily our worst position, as lloyd cushenberry was pretty bad all year- part of why he was cut this offseason. we have some work to do there, but quality interior offensive linemen are very often found in the mid-late rounds.
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I'll leave it at stats don't always portay an accurate picture. I'd say the main reason success was at all found last season is because once buddy got fired they prioritized cam either moving the pocket and quick reads. They made the offense less predictable. Guess I wouldn't argue skoronski cause he did have some moments. But zeitler was a hot bucket of trash any time I watched.
 
Brooklyndee said:
If Francis is still on the board I go him. If not I'm okay with Downs or Styles. Styles & downs that's a lil bit of a reach and would be the same for tate. Don't want Fano or lemon. Don't want Love. Wouldn't feel horrible about trading down depending on what you get back. Main reason I been so ****ed off these last two years with these meaningless late season wins. Get that #1 and make moves from a position of power
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Agreed. The #1 creates power and great flexibility. Bad wins both seasons. The only 1 I can stomach is the Raiders because they would have really had to throw the game since the Raiders were that atrocious. I'm good with Downs at 5, but agreed on checking the market to trade down a few spots for extra draft capital. Love is popular talking point, and a good back, but the Giants just can't take him that high.
 
Brooklyndee said:
If Francis is still on the board I go him. If not I'm okay with Downs or Styles. Styles & downs that's a lil bit of a reach and would be the same for tate. Don't want Fano or lemon. Don't want Love. Wouldn't feel horrible about trading down depending on what you get back. Main reason I been so ****ed off these last two years with these meaningless late season wins. Get that #1 and make moves from a position of power
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I can see trading down and stacking more talent for the Giants. Linebacker and Secondary need help. O-Line could use some help also. Dart has to protect himself for them to have a better season
 
Angry Ibis said:
Agreed. The #1 creates power and great flexibility. Bad wins both seasons. The only 1 I can stomach is the Raiders because they would have really had to throw the game since the Raiders were that atrocious. I'm good with Downs at 5, but agreed on checking the market to trade down a few spots for extra draft capital. Love is popular talking point, and a good back, but the Giants just can't take him that high.
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I'd hope we would've learned from saquan. Saquan being taken that high was never the issue. The issue was us taking him that high. Can't draft a running back that high to a team with so many holes around them. A running back is like a portal QB. He's a finishing touch. Not something when you still need to build a team around them. Honestly I was a lot higher on love coming into this season then I am after this season. It's one thing how he acts like such a hoe. Don't want any drama queens at positions that require physicality. After watching them some last season I think I'd prefer the other running back they had and you'll be able to get him in the second MAYBE the third round. Far more complete but not the home run threat love is.
 
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hharvey09 said:
I can see trading down and stacking more talent for the Giants. Linebacker and Secondary need help. O-Line could use some help also. Dart has to protect himself for them to have a better season
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Dart needs a ton of development. Otherwise he's gonna be the second coming of tua and concussion protocol. Kids got talent but he's gotta learn to stay in the pocket and develop his arm more.
 
Maskoff407 said:
When I think of what Cam would have been like in 2025 I get both happy and angry. Legit, Cam with this 2025 team might have been the best team of all time in college football
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I honestly think this team can be better. Key word is "can" be. Im so frigging excited for this yr to pop.
 
Titans should go one of Bain/Francis/Jlove/Styles/Downs.

Those are the 5 best players imo, if you want positional value take a cane, if you want an offensive weapon for cam take jlove or trade back and get lemon or tyson.

Downs or Styles both are safe picks as well but are risky cause of position and where the team is
 
Brooklyndee said:
If Francis is still on the board I go him. If not I'm okay with Downs or Styles. Styles & downs that's a lil bit of a reach and would be the same for tate. Don't want Fano or lemon. Don't want Love. Wouldn't feel horrible about trading down depending on what you get back. Main reason I been so ****ed off these last two years with these meaningless late season wins. Get that #1 and make moves from a position of power
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Seen some saying to draft whichever EDGE is remaining and trade Burns or Thibideaux for hopefully a late 1st... Burns could probably get that, and most of his sacks were cleanup sacks, very misleading.. But unfortunately I think the dead cap hit of trading Burns would be too high.

Thibideaux Idk if he'd fetch more than like a 2nd or 3rd though - like that's what Jaelan Phillips was traded for and he's better. I'd 100% trade him if I could get a 2nd though... Like If Bain is there (and I think he will be), I'd much rather go forward with Bain and Abdul Carter as my edges...

But yeah Giants should trade down. Trading down and getting like Mansoor Delane, Carnell Tate, or Jordyn Tyson would be nice
 
E1k said:
Titans should go one of Bain/Francis/Jlove/Styles/Downs.

Those are the 5 best players imo, if you want positional value take a cane, if you want an offensive weapon for cam take jlove or trade back and get lemon or tyson.

Downs or Styles both are safe picks as well but are risky cause of position and where the team is
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Titans would be dumb as **** to not draft Defense or Oline.

Mauigoa or an EDGE should 100% be the pick. Mauigoa would be great because he can play OT or OG, and both their OTs are overrated/paid as ****. You can just have Mauigoa/Latham compete for RT and the loser moves to RG...

Dan Moore at LT sucks, but just signed. Can be cut next year at $12M cost I guess...

Mauigoa should be the pick
 
TitansHope said:
they need receivers much more than they need linemen. the OL is actually rounding into form after a rough start. they're run blocking really well (which is taking pressure off of cam) and *serviceable* in pass pro. still not great, but not the tire fire they were at the start of the season. the receivers are a nightmare. part of that is the offensive scheme which will change (hopefully for the better)- spacing and route concepts are consistently poor. but cam's top 3 pass catchers are literally all 4th round rookies- and they all flash promise and look to be solid contributors, but none of them should be more than a WR3 or TE2 at this point, and it only gets worse behind them. drops, blown routes, guys running into each other lol. we need serious WRs in the worst way. i'm hoping for carnell tate, jordyn tyson, or makai lemon in the first round.
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They just overspent a **** load on Wandale Robinson because Daboll coached him, they got Ridley to take a paycut and return.... I wouldn't be surprised if they passed on wr at least in the 1st.

If they go Wr they absolutely need to trade down, none of those guys is worthy of pick 4. Jordyn Tyson or Carnell Tate would be who I'd target for them...It'd just not gunna happen. Maybe if somehow like Omar Cooper fell to them in the 2nd but I doubt that happens. They don't need someone like KC Concepcion...

And I disagree about the Oline lol. And you're talking about last year, but they lost a good RG and then cut their overpaid Center who wasn't very good but still... And they filled those spots with Cordell Volson and Austin Schlottman.. I mean unless Jackson Slater who they picked last year ends up good... But regardless both OTs are avg at best. Dan moore should never have been signed to that contract. And they should cut him next year. Mauigoa imo is the ideal pick otherwise EDGE. Wouldn't be surprised to see them take Fano though.
 
Calinative said:
Titans would be dumb as **** to not draft Defense or Oline.

Mauigoa or an EDGE should 100% be the pick. Mauigoa would be great because he can play OT or OG, and both their OTs are overrated/paid as ****. You can just have Mauigoa/Latham compete for RT and the loser moves to RG...

Dan Moore at LT sucks, but just signed. Can be cut next year at $12M cost I guess...

Mauigoa should be the pick
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They have to hope he makes it past the cardinals
 
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