Butch Davis questions Golden and direction of Miami football

[Gatorhater]

It's a different era... Recruiting And coaching costs are way up and there is more parity now than ever before. I'm not sure that Butch would be able to bring in a star studded coaching staff (but still would love to see him get another chance to be Butch)

It's not as different as you think.

Back in the 90s, my HS weight room was 10x better than Miami's. FSU and Florida's facilities blew Miami's out of the water back 15 years ago. Players were enamored with facilities back then too, but Miami was actually kicking recruiting ***. It makes a helluva difference to recruits when they know your HC is a winner and knows how to develop talent. Miami hasn't had that since Butch left.

And Butch Davis was put on this Earth to be a boss recruiter. Davis is the one coach who can challenge Nick Saban as the top recruiter in the land.

26esquire is correct. It IS a different era now. Butch recruited before the internet. The days of finding under the radar kids is coming to an end. That said, I think Butch would walk in to Hecht with a certain amount of south Florida street cred that would help him initially. If he starts winning in year one or two, then the athletes will flow. So yes, it is different now but Butch will still have certain built-in advantages of most other coaches that UM would consider.

Butch recruited every NC team we had except the first. Those 30 for 30 ESPN docs make sure every kid knows who Butch frigging Davis is. They did not know him when he was HC at Miami the first time. You are correct that Butch will have certain advantages. He can go head to head against Saban, Urban and Jimbo with no issues at all. Those record first round draft picks and NFL HOF greats are all he needs. Not a recruit in the country that would not pee himself if Butch asked to talk to him. "Hi, here is a list of my recruits who went in the first round of the NFL draft, maybe you recognize a few of them. I am, oh wait, you already know. Well, I am back, want to come to THE U?"

 

[The Franchise]

The crootin landscape is no different now than when Butch was at UNC. He was cleaning up finding the gems there and he of course would do the same here.

He would wreck shop back home at Miami. Butch is the best who's ever done it when it comes to NCAA football crootin.

That's what I was thinking. I can't remember a coach who evaluates talent as well as Butch.

That's because there's never been one. I get a kick out of the losers and their "times have changed" empty-headed bullshyt. Nothing's changed. Football is still about whipping the guy in front of you and recruiting and developing talent.

Butch still has the same eye he's always had. And recruits still want to be NFL first round picks, be associated with a winner and make a lot of money. No one has done that better for recruits than Davis.

On top of that, he now has the benefit of actually showing recruits the list of guys he's made millionaires. He didn't even have that list the last time he was here.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Ok here's the truth butch has already spoken with a Bot member. He's told them he's interested that's already known one thing raised a big flag butch told them he'd be willing to take the job for pennies. To which other board members thought if he wanted to be here long term why would he do that? They think he's trying to use Miami to get back into the nfl he's willing to take a HUGE pay cut like that. Again not my words. "We don't trust butch" directly from the Bot member I'm looking at him as he says this.

What a load of schit. Al that is supposed to be true but here we are stuck with the WORST corch in the NCAA?

GTFO either this BoT member is fictional or a complete ******* ******.

 

[dadecounty25]

It's a different era... Recruiting And coaching costs are way up and there is more parity now than ever before. I'm not sure that Butch would be able to bring in a star studded coaching staff (but still would love to see him get another chance to be Butch)

It's not as different as you think.

Back in the 90s, my HS weight room was 10x better than Miami's. FSU and Florida's facilities blew Miami's out of the water back 15 years ago. Players were enamored with facilities back then too, but Miami was actually kicking recruiting ***. It makes a helluva difference to recruits when they know your HC is a winner and knows how to develop talent. Miami hasn't had that since Butch left.

And Butch Davis was put on this Earth to be a boss recruiter. Davis is the one coach who can challenge Nick Saban as the top recruiter in the land.

26esquire is correct. It IS a different era now. Butch recruited before the internet. The days of finding under the radar kids is coming to an end. That said, I think Butch would walk in to Hecht with a certain amount of south Florida street cred that would help him initially. If he starts winning in year one or two, then the athletes will flow. So yes, it is different now but Butch will still have certain built-in advantages of most other coaches that UM would consider.

Butch recruited every NC team we had except the first. Those 30 for 30 ESPN docs make sure every kid knows who Butch frigging Davis is. They did not know him when he was HC at Miami the first time. You are correct that Butch will have certain advantages. He can go head to head against Saban, Urban and Jimbo with no issues at all. Those record first round draft picks and NFL HOF greats are all he needs. Not a recruit in the country that would not pee himself if Butch asked to talk to him. "Hi, here is a list of my recruits who went in the first round of the NFL draft, maybe you recognize a few of them. I am, oh wait, you already know. Well, I am back, want to come to THE U?"

I just peed myself, got me all pumped

 

[I'm james Jackson brother]

Ok here's the truth butch has already spoken with a Bot member. He's told them he's interested that's already known one thing raised a big flag butch told them he'd be willing to take the job for pennies. To which other board members thought if he wanted to be here long term why would he do that? They think he's trying to use Miami to get back into the nfl he's willing to take a HUGE pay cut like that. Again not my words. "We don't trust butch" directly from the Bot member I'm looking at him as he says this.

Folden begged pedo state to hire him, the BOT didn't seem to be too bothered about that, even after his team went out and **** the bed. 6 and ******* 7, with what looks like double digit NFL players.

What the **** do these people want? A mediocre coach who might get to 9 wins once every 4 or 5 years, but will stick around for a decade or two because no one wants him, or a great coach who wins a NC in year 3 and bolts for a better job? Heaven for bid the BOT, AD and President have to actually do their job and hire a competent coach every 4 or 5 years, after the previous one does so well the NFL wants him. I can't even begin to imagine how hard it must be for them to have to do their ******* jobs. It must be almost impossible to hire a good coach, because they've ****ed up the last 3. No wonder they don't want to have to do it again.

Stick with the guy who you know what he will give you, the guy who is the same guy everyday, Mr. Consistency, Mr. Mediocre.

What they care about is different it seems. They claim they want to win but it seems more care about a long term coach.

They want a Bobby Bowden they're unanimous in that thought they're absolutely against hiring a new coach every 4 years.
Or at least that's the vibe I got from their conversation.

 

[52CANES]

If he had an offer he would have been back by now. I like Butch, don't want him back at UM, but he can't face the fact that he will most likely never be a Head Coach again. Right or wrong, the UNC taint is sticking in this day and age of political correctness and an ever present and misguided NCAA.

My old dept attorney just ran into him down in Bonita Springs. She's a UM Law grad. She said she asked him if he was ready to come back home and he smiled at her and said he has had plenty of other offers, he just had not found another place he'd rather live yet. Butch wants back badly!

You're crazy. Butch didn't really get caught doing anything with the NCAA and you'll likely see Tressell back shortly as well.

 

[gocanes1]

I love Butch but I don't know if I agree that it's a talent issue. A better coach (than Golden) could have probably won the ACC with the talent we had last year. At a minimum we should have won the Coastal.

Butch hardly ever missed on a recruit after he signed them, a great evaluator of talent; bring him back

 

[Klamalama]

I love Butch but I don't know if I agree that it's a talent issue. A better coach (than Golden) could have probably won the ACC with the talent we had last year. At a minimum we should have won the Coastal.

Butch hardly ever missed on a recruit after he signed them, a great evaluator of talent; bring him back

That's the BEST first post I've ever seen. Kudos, sir!

 

[BradTheBearKiller]

I love Butch but I don't know if I agree that it's a talent issue. A better coach (than Golden) could have probably won the ACC with the talent we had last year. At a minimum we should have won the Coastal.

Butch hardly ever missed on a recruit after he signed them, a great evaluator of talent; bring him back

That's the BEST first post I've ever seen. Kudos, sir!

You have to start from somewhere mane!

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

I love Butch but I don't know if I agree that it's a talent issue. A better coach (than Golden) could have probably won the ACC with the talent we had last year. At a minimum we should have won the Coastal.

Butch hardly ever missed on a recruit after he signed them, a great evaluator of talent; bring him back

I don't disagree with any of that. My point was simply that talent wasn't the primary problem last year. We had enough talent to reach the ACCCG. Golden is just a ****** coach.

 

[HulkaCaniac]

Ok here's the truth butch has already spoken with a Bot member. He's told them he's interested that's already known one thing raised a big flag butch told them he'd be willing to take the job for pennies. To which other board members thought if he wanted to be here long term why would he do that? They think he's trying to use Miami to get back into the nfl he's willing to take a HUGE pay cut like that. Again not my words. "We don't trust butch" directly from the Bot member I'm looking at him as he says this.

I don't think think you're James Jacksons brother.

 

[MarcoD70]

If he had an offer he would have been back by now. I like Butch, don't want him back at UM, but he can't face the fact that he will most likely never be a Head Coach again. Right or wrong, the UNC taint is sticking in this day and age of political correctness and an ever present and misguided NCAA.

My old dept attorney just ran into him down in Bonita Springs. She's a UM Law grad. She said she asked him if he was ready to come back home and he smiled at her and said he has had plenty of other offers, he just had not found another place he'd rather live yet. Butch wants back badly!

You're crazy. Butch didn't really get caught doing anything with the NCAA and you'll likely see Tressell back shortly as well.

The difference is that Butch hasn't even put in his "Tressel time" yet. He went from UNC scandal to nothing....a few bit appearances on ESPN college football. Butch needs to take a smaller job and show that he still has the drive to make it happen in the new landscape of college football. Everything has gotten so much more "national" these days.
Just about every AD will look at a guy like Butch and think that they can find someone just as good as Butch WAS.

I just don't see things ending well for Butch Davis....at least not the way he's handling himself right now.

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

This admins and BOT are just beyond PATHETIC. I don't know WHAT they are trying to do with this school, make it a "no sport" school like Emory in Atlanta or U of Chicago or just keep the status quo while sponging on ACC money. The university has fallen behind academically the last two years until it's no better than Jorts U and Ped State. What's so damned special about THAT? The whole bunch of these ###holes should be canned immediately. They are beyond incompetent in every way imaginable. Do they think the ACC is going to put up with these rag### teams that contribute NOTHING to the conference at all? They could boot us out tomorrow for U Conn or some other school that actually is competitive in at least ONE sport and be better off. UM is hot garbage in just about everything you could think of right now. I don't see how they stay in business with the huge tuition they charge when a kid could do just as well at Hillbilly Hollow in Gainesville.

MORONS. This school is run by damned MORONS!

 

[UMFarArcher]

It's a different era... Recruiting And coaching costs are way up and there is more parity now than ever before. I'm not sure that Butch would be able to bring in a star studded coaching staff (but still would love to see him get another chance to be Butch)

It's not as different as you think.

Back in the 90s, my HS weight room was 10x better than Miami's. FSU and Florida's facilities blew Miami's out of the water back 15 years ago. Players were enamored with facilities back then too, but Miami was actually kicking recruiting ***. It makes a helluva difference to recruits when they know your HC is a winner and knows how to develop talent. Miami hasn't had that since Butch left.

And Butch Davis was put on this Earth to be a boss recruiter. Davis is the one coach who can challenge Nick Saban as the top recruiter in the land.

26esquire is correct. It IS a different era now. Butch recruited before the internet. The days of finding under the radar kids is coming to an end. That said, I think Butch would walk in to Hecht with a certain amount of south Florida street cred that would help him initially. If he starts winning in year one or two, then the athletes will flow. So yes, it is different now but Butch will still have certain built-in advantages of most other coaches that UM would consider.

BS. Nothing's changed. You sound like the internet does the talent evaluations for you and that the services do all the indications. I seem to recall Kaaya early on was overlooked by all kinds of teams, and later when he'd turned it on some more - he suddenly drew the attention of other teams. Where was the damned internet then?

And that's not all. There will still be kids overlooked by scouting services. PLUS, did you ever think that Butch can now do MORE talent evaluations WITH the internet? How come it only works for others, but won't work for Butch?

This is BS reasoning.

No one, and I mean NO ONE can out-recruit Butch Frikkin' Davis. He gets in the door, he gets what he wants.

 

[pb5cane]

...and his teams would run through **** and back for him. They know he's about 1 thing, WINS.

 

[NVA CANE]

Best talent evaluator in the business. He could and should have been our head coach right now. **** shame.

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

This university is dead to me as of now. It was poorly run when I was there. It is beyond abysmal now. They'd better not call me about donations anymore because whoever the poor ******* is (on the other end of the line), he's getting an earful. The place is laughable in just about every way I can think of these days. Shalala and her merry band of idiots can kiss my ###.
The place is just a mess and I don't trust some candy###ed pr##k from William and Mary or GWU to make things right academically or certainly not in athletics. (Just what we need: Some bourbon-sucking pan$y socialite twit from DC or Virginia trying to pu$$ify the place even more than it already is.)

Just makes me puke. I have NO interest anymore in what goes on in Coral Gables. As for these godawful teams we put on the field, forget it. They're not worth a dime of my money. I feel sorry for the kids who bought into this clown show's BS and are stuck with it, but that's about all I care about there anymore.

Brad Kaaya, I mourn you! I've been a fan of this program for fifty years, but I cannot take anymore of this ####!

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

My wife has a better chance at becoming HC at Miami than Butch Davis

Sad but true. She'd also probably be a better coach than some of the ###hats on this "staph"!

 

[Gatorhater]

This university is dead to me as of now. It was poorly run when I was there. It is beyond abysmal now. They'd better not call me about donations anymore because whoever the poor ******* is (on the other end of the line), he's getting an earful. The place is laughable in just about every way I can think of these days. Shalala and her merry band of idiots can kiss my ###.
The place is just a mess and I don't trust some candy###ed pr##k from William and Mary or GWU to make things right academically or certainly not in athletics. (Just what we need: Some bourbon-sucking pan$y socialite twit from DC or Virginia trying to pu$$ify the place even more than it already is.)

Just makes me puke. I have NO interest anymore in what goes on in Coral Gables. As for these godawful teams we put on the field, forget it. They're not worth a dime of my money. I feel sorry for the kids who bought into this clown show's BS and are stuck with it, but that's about all I care about there anymore.

Brad Kaaya, I mourn you! I've been a fan of this program for fifty years, but I cannot take anymore of this ####!

I am right there with you. Over 50 years a fan, in OB for the Flop, alum, fairly big donor for years, I have never rooted for any school except Miami. At this point I am prepared to give up on college sports and have already started spending the money I had set aside for my grandchildern to THE U(15 of them). I would rather donate to various casinos than give another dime to these smucks.

Some people dislike Butch because f how he left. Keep in mind how the smucks who run THE U treated EVERY winning coach we ever had. They stabbed Howard in the back over his plans for an on campus stadium after he won the NC. Foote berated JJ over walking out on the showers lovers. Foote also threatened to fire Dennis after the Cotton Bowl in between NCs. Given the administrations's track record, I am inclined to believe Butch's version of them working him over on the buy out percentages. And now thanks to Donna's donor greed helping to cause the nevin scandal, we are stuck with our third horrible coach in a row and the worse since before Howard.

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

This university is dead to me as of now. It was poorly run when I was there. It is beyond abysmal now. They'd better not call me about donations anymore because whoever the poor ******* is (on the other end of the line), he's getting an earful. The place is laughable in just about every way I can think of these days. Shalala and her merry band of idiots can kiss my ###.
The place is just a mess and I don't trust some candy###ed pr##k from William and Mary or GWU to make things right academically or certainly not in athletics. (Just what we need: Some bourbon-sucking pan$y socialite twit from DC or Virginia trying to pu$$ify the place even more than it already is.)

Just makes me puke. I have NO interest anymore in what goes on in Coral Gables. As for these godawful teams we put on the field, forget it. They're not worth a dime of my money. I feel sorry for the kids who bought into this clown show's BS and are stuck with it, but that's about all I care about there anymore.

Brad Kaaya, I mourn you! I've been a fan of this program for fifty years, but I cannot take anymore of this ####!

I am right there with you. Over 50 years a fan, in OB for the Flop, alum, fairly big donor for years, I have never rooted for any school except Miami. At this point I am prepared to give up on college sports and have already started spending the money I had set aside for my grandchildern to THE U(15 of them). I would rather donate to various casinos than give another dime to these smucks.

Some people dislike Butch because f how he left. Keep in mind how the smucks who run THE U treated EVERY winning coach we ever had. They stabbed Howard in the back over his plans for an on campus stadium after he won the NC. Foote berated JJ over walking out on the showers lovers. Foote also threatened to fire Dennis after the Cotton Bowl in between NCs. Given the administrations's track record, I am inclined to believe Butch's version of them working him over on the buy out percentages. And now thanks to Donna's donor greed helping to cause the nevin scandal, we are stuck with our third horrible coach in a row and the worse since before Howard.

This school has been under one horrible administration after another. It's just never been run well. You just know they will #### up this hunt for a new President. When I heard they were talking to people from schools like William and Mary and George Washington, I almost puked, because, being from that area originally, I know they are looking at first class ###holes. Another clown that will micromanage everything and be an insufferable #### about it. It is disgusting.