Butch Davis' North Carolina Years

[poncho0091]

Here's something else to get excited about:

In Fedora's first year at UNC with Butch's players, he led UNC to their first winning ACC record since 2006 under John Bunting, and their first win vs NC St. since 2006 under John Bunting.

You are trying way too hard and falling all over yourself. You're playing with cheap stats that even the biggest anti Butch person can see through it. If you tried to be reasonable about your statement, people might actually take you seriously.

Nothing I'm posting is cheap. All facts.

What's cheap is how Butch had Miami ranked and lost to East Carolina twice. What's cheap is how Butch Davis couldn't beat Washington in 2000. What's cheap is how Butch Davis couldn't beat Tom O'Brien or Al Groh at UNC.

What's cheap is your ignorance of context. You refuse to acknowledge it, because it kills most of your argument. I never said Butch was perfect so you can put that **** on someone else, but you guys keep jizzing yourselves over a whole lot of unproven or unrealistic options.

The ECU argument is fair. He dropped games to them he shouldn't have. Upsets happen. Don't act like he's the only one. I love Mike gundy, but he missed a national title shot because he dropped a game to a really bad Iowa state team and almost lost to them this year again when undefeated. I guess by your logic that makes him trash.

The entire unc argument is garbage. The only legit year of criticism is year 3 and he still outperformed Harbaugh in year 3.

The John Blake issue is what it is. Let's not act like the **** doesn't happen everywhere. The entire sec is on protected status, because they are the worst.

Pull some random name out of the air to try and justify bad ECU losses. Yes, every coach drops some they shouldn't, but they don't do it consistently. When has Butch ever really done the opposite and has he done it consistently....beaten teams he was not favored to do so? UCLA comes to mind, then who after that?

How the **** did Butch outperform Harbaugh in year three? He didn't and if you bothered to check rather than just flying by the seat of your pants, you would know that.

Harbaugh finished with an identical record to Butch at 8-5. Harbaugh was 6-3 and finished second in conference. Butch on the other hand was 4-4 and tied for fourth in the Coastal. That's a big difference and then when you consider Butch entered the season ranked, I'd say Harbaugh CLEARLY had the more successful season. Stanford did lose some head scratchersbthat year if we're being fair considering they beat a good USC and Oregon that year.

Omfg, I said first 3 years when I originally compared Harbaugh and Butch. You know the 3 years where both were equal without sanctions. I posted their records. If you were keeping track of the conversation you would know that!

How is losing twice to a team consistency? That's a really small sample size, why don't you look at his all time record against ecu, because it's not like he never beat them.

Again, the entire point of the Harbaugh comparison is to show blind stat following is misleading and that's what you guys have been doing

 

[INCaneFan]

You clearly claimed victory for Butc h in year three. I didn't log in and post as you, those words came from you.

Your Harbaugh comparison is beyond silly, but keep trying to run with it. I dismantled the comparison in the other thread and put some more sugar on top in this one.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Why do the slurpers get to give Butch a pass on the most recent part of his career but other coaches are chastised for theirs?

There is no way to slice the UNC years as good.

He had time and had no winning records in the ACC. None.

Butch needs Miami to win. The talent in Miami allows great recruiters and developers to win it all. Its that simple.

Dont feed me BS why Al and Onion were great recruiters because they were horrible in SFL getting enough absolute difference makers, creating depth and filling dire needs.

Apparently, Miami needs Butch to win.

The program tanked as Butch's recruits and players graduated.

To this day.

I guess that's sarcasm because you obviously know Miami has won 5 titles with 5 coaches. Or are we now going to hear some spin on how we would not have won any of them without Butch. LOL

Miami is about talent.

Get a coach to keep the best talent at home and you win.

You give me Bridgewater throwing to Sammy Watkins, Amari Cooper, Rashad Green, Kelvin Benjamin and Dorsett. With Duke and Devonte Feeeman in the backfield and I win every time.

I can create a lineup like that on defense as well that will just blow peoples minds.

Thats why Miami is Miami not because of any coach.

The simple fact is Elmer Onion and Big Fat Yankee couldn't keep the best talent at home so we lose.

Any coach (and I mean any) who can keep those guys at home will have God like seasons. Not sure why that's so hard for people to see.

Well, Howard, Jimmy, nor Dennis are coming back.

Butch got cheated out of playing for the NC in 2000.
Clappy won his NC with Butch's boys in 2001.
Clappy got cheated out of another NC in 2002 - OSU did NOT win that game - again, with Butch's crew.

You'll note that as Butch's crew graduated, UM fell - and hasn't been the same since.

Butch recruited heavily for JJ. He's been a big part of UM success. Technically, a number of Dennis's crew were also recruited by Butch.

A lot of players that excelled at UM, went on to the Pros, and even into various awards and Halls of Fame - didn't actually come from the 305. There are plenty from the 305, but a significant number were picked from other areas outside the 305.

I'd say at this time, in this place, the very safest, most certain, rapid return of THE U to prominence - would require UM to Bring Back Butch.

And of the other coaches available - none of them check off as many boxes as does Butch Davis.

We won't be getting our top linemen/db's from the 305. We're going to need some outside help - and that's one area where Butch is able to shake the trees, root around in the back rooms, and come up with top, TOP talent.

 

[poncho0091]

You clearly claimed victory for Butc h in year three. I didn't log in and post as you, those words came from you.

Your Harbaugh comparison is beyond silly, but keep trying to run with it. I dismantled the comparison in the other thread and put some more sugar on top in this one.

**** you're dense. In one post out of many I accidentally wrote "in year 3" instead of "by year 3" even though every other post than that says in the first 3 years. The fact that you couldn't figure it shows you're not paying attention or never tried to begin with.

The Harbaugh comparison is legit, because it's the exact same lack of context stat comparison that you all have been making. If I removed the names, and just posted the numbers you would have no argument, but because I put the names, you are all bent out of shape.

I'm not sure how you "dismantled" anything. The only thing you said worth mentioning was that Stanford had higher academic standards. Problem is I never said UNC was higher, or tougher on admissions. I just said they were both strong academic institutions.

You can go back to that thread to see the response to my "dismantling"

 

[Southcane]

Good post. And while the North Carolina years are relevant, what he did at Miami is much more relevant to what he would do at Miami.

[VINE][/VINE]
If I can vote up more than once I would. To me that summarizes the whole argument in his favor coming back to Miami.