Butch Davis' North Carolina Years

[deleted3746]

When did Thread Killa become such a smarmy c.unt?

Instead of countering Butch's abysmal track record at UNC with something intelligent, you resort to personal attacks to show your lack of intelligence.

Personal attacks are flattering, please keep them coming.

Butch is still 15-17 in ACC games, 0-7 vs Tom O'Brien and Al Groh at UNC, and 0-2 vs Steve Logan/East Carolina at Miami.

 

[clg003]

Why do the slurpers get to give Butch a pass on the most recent part of his career but other coaches are chastised for theirs?

There is no way to slice the UNC years as good.

He had time and had no winning records in the ACC. None.

Butch needs Miami to win. The talent in Miami allows great recruiters and developers to win it all. Its that simple.

Dont feed me BS why Al and Onion were great recruiters because they were horrible in SFL getting enough absolute difference makers, creating depth and filling dire needs.

Let me ask you, if Harbaugh had the same suspensions in year 4, what do you think his overall record would have been at Standford? Butch had a better first 3 year record than Harbaugh did.

I know he would have a winning record. Also how long do you think Harbaugh would be looking for a job? I am thinking it would be in the tune of minutes and not years.

Again with the context. You answered the first part of the question with winning record, which in case you didn't realize, Butch had a winning record, even with the suspensions.

You then answered the second part of the question as if there were no investigations. If Butch had no investigations, he would only be looking for minutes also. If Harbaugh had the same investigation, he would be waiting awhile for a job just like Butch. How is Jim tressel doing as a college head coach right now? Oh that's right, he's not.

You guys are going out of your way to avoid the context like it was a plague, because your entire argument is over. There is one legit argument against Butch and that is year 3 at unc. he should have done more. Oh well, sometimes we don't hit the mark, but based on history, Butch has hit more than miss (of course only if you account for context)

What year did he have a winning conference record?

Waiting...?


Jim Tressel had a show cause that forbid him from coaching.... Butch does not and never had one. If you think that's a realistic smear against him then you can forget him being hired here.

 

[deleted3746]

Here's something else to get excited about:

In Fedora's first year at UNC with Butch's players, he led UNC to their first winning ACC record since 2006 under John Bunting, and their first win vs NC St. since 2006 under John Bunting.

You are trying way too hard and falling all over yourself. You're playing with cheap stats that even the biggest anti Butch person can see through it. If you tried to be reasonable about your statement, people might actually take you seriously.

Nothing I'm posting is cheap. All facts.

What's cheap is how Butch had Miami ranked and lost to East Carolina twice. What's cheap is how Butch Davis couldn't beat Washington in 2000. What's cheap is how Butch Davis couldn't beat Tom O'Brien or Al Groh at UNC.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

People don't think the UNC scandal impacts Butch's ability to get a job? Whoever does not is dense.

It does, but it shouldn't. Butch did nothing wrong at UNC. He was the victim of the animus of UNC's President.

 

[poncho0091]

Here's something else to get excited about:

In Fedora's first year at UNC with Butch's players, he led UNC to their first winning ACC record since 2006 under John Bunting, and their first win vs NC St. since 2006 under John Bunting.

You are trying way too hard and falling all over yourself. You're playing with cheap stats that even the biggest anti Butch person can see through it. If you tried to be reasonable about your statement, people might actually take you seriously.

Nothing I'm posting is cheap. All facts.

What's cheap is how Butch had Miami ranked and lost to East Carolina twice. What's cheap is how Butch Davis couldn't beat Washington in 2000. What's cheap is how Butch Davis couldn't beat Tom O'Brien or Al Groh at UNC.

What's cheap is your ignorance of context. You refuse to acknowledge it, because it kills most of your argument. I never said Butch was perfect so you can put that **** on someone else, but you guys keep jizzing yourselves over a whole lot of unproven or unrealistic options.

The ECU argument is fair. He dropped games to them he shouldn't have. Upsets happen. Don't act like he's the only one. I love Mike gundy, but he missed a national title shot because he dropped a game to a really bad Iowa state team and almost lost to them this year again when undefeated. I guess by your logic that makes him trash.

The entire unc argument is garbage. The only legit year of criticism is year 3 and he still outperformed Harbaugh in year 3.

The John Blake issue is what it is. Let's not act like the **** doesn't happen everywhere. The entire sec is on protected status, because they are the worst.

 

[NVA CANE]

Butch is who he is, a great program builder, a great talent evaluator/recruiter and a great developer of that talent. Butch will get you into the top 10 to top 15 and have you relevant again.

What he won't bring is a great game day coach. He will most likely bring a great defense, but offense could be very questionable. His game day coaching should make everyone nervous.

Butch is a great fall back option. IMO he should not be the first on anyone's list unless you think the school is focusing on Mario and Chud. Otherwise there are other possible options ahead of Butch. If we strike out on those then we have a phenomenal back up plan in Butch.

 

[poncho0091]

Why do the slurpers get to give Butch a pass on the most recent part of his career but other coaches are chastised for theirs?

There is no way to slice the UNC years as good.

He had time and had no winning records in the ACC. None.

Butch needs Miami to win. The talent in Miami allows great recruiters and developers to win it all. Its that simple.

Dont feed me BS why Al and Onion were great recruiters because they were horrible in SFL getting enough absolute difference makers, creating depth and filling dire needs.

Let me ask you, if Harbaugh had the same suspensions in year 4, what do you think his overall record would have been at Standford? Butch had a better first 3 year record than Harbaugh did.

I know he would have a winning record. Also how long do you think Harbaugh would be looking for a job? I am thinking it would be in the tune of minutes and not years.

Again with the context. You answered the first part of the question with winning record, which in case you didn't realize, Butch had a winning record, even with the suspensions.

You then answered the second part of the question as if there were no investigations. If Butch had no investigations, he would only be looking for minutes also. If Harbaugh had the same investigation, he would be waiting awhile for a job just like Butch. How is Jim tressel doing as a college head coach right now? Oh that's right, he's not.

You guys are going out of your way to avoid the context like it was a plague, because your entire argument is over. There is one legit argument against Butch and that is year 3 at unc. he should have done more. Oh well, sometimes we don't hit the mark, but based on history, Butch has hit more than miss (of course only if you account for context)

What year did he have a winning conference record?

Waiting...?


Jim Tressel had a show cause that forbid him from coaching.... Butch does not and never had one. If you think that's a realistic smear against him then you can forget him being hired here.

I'm still waiting for an answer on how fast Harbaugh gets a job if he had the same investigation Butch had. How does Harbaugh do with 30 less scholarships while we're at it?

Harbaugh is at the top of my unreasonable coach wishlist.

I didn't realize you were pointing out acc record, but it doesn't change the facts.

 

[canesupremacy]

Washington was number 15 when we played them away in 2000. They were good

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Anyone want to hear my thoughts on Butch Davis?

 

[Canesfan1899]

My List:
1a. Herman
1b. Butch

I would be happy as **** to have either.

2. Pagano
3. Chud
4. Schiano
5. Strong

I'm not nearly as high on anyone after Pagano but this idea that Strong is the man makes me a bit sick.

 

[onplane]

Butch at UNC??? LOL. Butch had a mediocre record at that school and he never beat. UM. (Al Golden). Get out of here. The man is washed up and ready for the barnyard!

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Butch at UNC??? LOL. Butch had a mediocre record at that school and he never beat. UM. (Al Golden). Get out of here. The man is washed up and ready for the barnyard!

I guess if you ignore what happened on the field in 2007, 2008 and 2009 you would be correct. If you actually watched any of the games during those years however you would know that your porst is a tuber.

 

[paksat]

Let me ask you, if Harbaugh had the same suspensions in year 4, what do you think his overall record would have been at Standford? Butch had a better first 3 year record than Harbaugh did.

I know he would have a winning record. Also how long do you think Harbaugh would be looking for a job? I am thinking it would be in the tune of minutes and not years.

Again with the context. You answered the first part of the question with winning record, which in case you didn't realize, Butch had a winning record, even with the suspensions.

You then answered the second part of the question as if there were no investigations. If Butch had no investigations, he would only be looking for minutes also. If Harbaugh had the same investigation, he would be waiting awhile for a job just like Butch. How is Jim tressel doing as a college head coach right now? Oh that's right, he's not.

You guys are going out of your way to avoid the context like it was a plague, because your entire argument is over. There is one legit argument against Butch and that is year 3 at unc. he should have done more. Oh well, sometimes we don't hit the mark, but based on history, Butch has hit more than miss (of course only if you account for context)

What year did he have a winning conference record?

Waiting...?


Jim Tressel had a show cause that forbid him from coaching.... Butch does not and never had one. If you think that's a realistic smear against him then you can forget him being hired here.

I'm still waiting for an answer on how fast Harbaugh gets a job if he had the same investigation Butch had. How does Harbaugh do with 30 less scholarships while we're at it?

Harbaugh is at the top of my unreasonable coach wishlist.

I didn't realize you were pointing out acc record, but it doesn't change the facts.

don't argue with liberals

 

[poncho0091]

Butch at UNC??? LOL. Butch had a mediocre record at that school and he never beat. UM. (Al Golden). Get out of here. The man is washed up and ready for the barnyard!

Wasn't Butch already out when golden started?

 

[MarshallCane]

Butch at UNC??? LOL. Butch had a mediocre record at that school and he never beat. UM. (Al Golden). Get out of here. The man is washed up and ready for the barnyard!

Wasn't Butch already out when golden started?

Lol not just that but Butch beat UM while at UNC... What a porst.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Why do the slurpers get to give Butch a pass on the most recent part of his career but other coaches are chastised for theirs?

There is no way to slice the UNC years as good.

He had time and had no winning records in the ACC. None.

Butch needs Miami to win. The talent in Miami allows great recruiters and developers to win it all. Its that simple.

Dont feed me BS why Al and Onion were great recruiters because they were horrible in SFL getting enough absolute difference makers, creating depth and filling dire needs.

Apparently, Miami needs Butch to win.

The program tanked as Butch's recruits and players graduated.

To this day.

 

[clg003]

Let me ask you, if Harbaugh had the same suspensions in year 4, what do you think his overall record would have been at Standford? Butch had a better first 3 year record than Harbaugh did.

I know he would have a winning record. Also how long do you think Harbaugh would be looking for a job? I am thinking it would be in the tune of minutes and not years.

Again with the context. You answered the first part of the question with winning record, which in case you didn't realize, Butch had a winning record, even with the suspensions.

You then answered the second part of the question as if there were no investigations. If Butch had no investigations, he would only be looking for minutes also. If Harbaugh had the same investigation, he would be waiting awhile for a job just like Butch. How is Jim tressel doing as a college head coach right now? Oh that's right, he's not.

You guys are going out of your way to avoid the context like it was a plague, because your entire argument is over. There is one legit argument against Butch and that is year 3 at unc. he should have done more. Oh well, sometimes we don't hit the mark, but based on history, Butch has hit more than miss (of course only if you account for context)

What year did he have a winning conference record?

Waiting...?


Jim Tressel had a show cause that forbid him from coaching.... Butch does not and never had one. If you think that's a realistic smear against him then you can forget him being hired here.

I'm still waiting for an answer on how fast Harbaugh gets a job if he had the same investigation Butch had. How does Harbaugh do with 30 less scholarships while we're at it?

Harbaugh is at the top of my unreasonable coach wishlist.

I didn't realize you were pointing out acc record, but it doesn't change the facts.

He would get a job the next day. If you don't have a show cause then you don't need to do anything in front of the NCAA.

Chip Kelly got a show cause and he would be the most sought after coach in college the day he announced he is coming back.

I really don't understand why your even acting like your having a rational discussion about Butch when your flat out ignore his UNC records in the ACC and then act like suspensions are the only reason for it. The bottom line is he needs a talent base like Miami to be able to win like he did in Miami. That is because he is a great talent elevator and recruiter and not a great game day planner or coach. He proved that at UNC and he proved that at Miami.

Also if you think for one second that Butch hasn't been hired because of the NCAA stuff at UNC that immediately takes him off of Miami's list.

Comparing him to Harbaugh or Chip Kelly is insane. Those guys are considered the top of the class in coaching, Butch is not. Harbaugh is considered to be one the biggest Aholes out there. People don't give shiat about stuff like that if you win games for them and they dont have to go in front the NCAA to plead for them to allow you to hire them. Butch did not win for UNC and that's all there is to it.

You can try and spin it anyway you can but facts don't lie. Butch is not who you say or think he is or he would not be unemployed. To sit here and think Miami is the only school thats willing to over look NCAA issues is just plain dumb.

 

[clg003]

Why do the slurpers get to give Butch a pass on the most recent part of his career but other coaches are chastised for theirs?

There is no way to slice the UNC years as good.

He had time and had no winning records in the ACC. None.

Butch needs Miami to win. The talent in Miami allows great recruiters and developers to win it all. Its that simple.

Dont feed me BS why Al and Onion were great recruiters because they were horrible in SFL getting enough absolute difference makers, creating depth and filling dire needs.

Apparently, Miami needs Butch to win.

The program tanked as Butch's recruits and players graduated.

To this day.

I guess that's sarcasm because you obviously know Miami has won 5 titles with 5 coaches. Or are we now going to hear some spin on how we would not have won any of them without Butch. LOL

Miami is about talent.

Get a coach to keep the best talent at home and you win.

You give me Bridgewater throwing to Sammy Watkins, Amari Cooper, Rashad Green, Kelvin Benjamin and Dorsett. With Duke and Devonte Feeeman in the backfield and I win every time.

I can create a lineup like that on defense as well that will just blow peoples minds.

Thats why Miami is Miami not because of any coach.

The simple fact is Elmer Onion and Big Fat Yankee couldn't keep the best talent at home so we lose.

Any coach (and I mean any) who can keep those guys at home will have God like seasons. Not sure why that's so hard for people to see.

 

[poncho0091]

I know he would have a winning record. Also how long do you think Harbaugh would be looking for a job? I am thinking it would be in the tune of minutes and not years.

Again with the context. You answered the first part of the question with winning record, which in case you didn't realize, Butch had a winning record, even with the suspensions.

You then answered the second part of the question as if there were no investigations. If Butch had no investigations, he would only be looking for minutes also. If Harbaugh had the same investigation, he would be waiting awhile for a job just like Butch. How is Jim tressel doing as a college head coach right now? Oh that's right, he's not.

You guys are going out of your way to avoid the context like it was a plague, because your entire argument is over. There is one legit argument against Butch and that is year 3 at unc. he should have done more. Oh well, sometimes we don't hit the mark, but based on history, Butch has hit more than miss (of course only if you account for context)

What year did he have a winning conference record?

Waiting...?


Jim Tressel had a show cause that forbid him from coaching.... Butch does not and never had one. If you think that's a realistic smear against him then you can forget him being hired here.

I'm still waiting for an answer on how fast Harbaugh gets a job if he had the same investigation Butch had. How does Harbaugh do with 30 less scholarships while we're at it?

Harbaugh is at the top of my unreasonable coach wishlist.

I didn't realize you were pointing out acc record, but it doesn't change the facts.

He would get a job the next day. If you don't have a show cause then you don't need to do anything in front of the NCAA.

Chip Kelly got a show cause and he would be the most sought after coach in college the day he announced he is coming back.

I really don't understand why your even acting like your having a rational discussion about Butch when your flat out ignore his UNC records in the ACC and then act like suspensions are the only reason for it. The bottom line is he needs a talent base like Miami to be able to win like he did in Miami. That is because he is a great talent elevator and recruiter and not a great game day planner or coach. He proved that at UNC and he proved that at Miami.

Also if you think for one second that Butch hasn't been hired because of the NCAA stuff at UNC that immediately takes him off of Miami's list.

Comparing him to Harbaugh or Chip Kelly is insane. Those guys are considered the top of the class in coaching, Butch is not. Harbaugh is considered to be one the biggest Aholes out there. People don't give shiat about stuff like that if you win games for them and they dont have to go in front the NCAA to plead for them to allow you to hire them. Butch did not win for UNC and that's all there is to it.

You can try and spin it anyway you can but facts don't lie. Butch is not who you say or think he is or he would not be unemployed. To sit here and think Miami is the only school thats willing to over look NCAA issues is just plain dumb.

Dude you have lost it. Most are saying the only reason Butch isn't already here is the investigation and that's been reported by multiple sources, papers, etc.

If you honestly believe Butch is such a bad coach he couldn't get a job the next day without the unc issue, then you are not being objective or rational.

As far as the comparison, you're just like the rest of these anti butch guys. I never said he was better than Harbaugh and I never used chip Kelly as a comparison, but please continue to make things up.

I used Harbaugh because they entered similar situations at their respective schools and Butch produced better than Harbaugh. I'm using plain out of context stats that the anti butch crowd wants to use, but now it doesn't work? I thought you said stats don't lie.

You keep harping on conference schedule. Who ******* cares, but sure he failed in the acc for those 3 years. You can have that. I never said all the losses were tied to suspensions, just year 4. The first 2 years were tied to the fact he had a horrible team, same as Harbaugh. Year 3 is no excuse which I've said repeatedly, but then why is it not an issue when Harbaugh did the same?

People keep talking about butch dropping bad games, but Harbaugh did too. Harbaugh lost to a 7 loss wake forest in year 3. i guess that means he sucks as a gameday coach by your standards. Same goes for Mike gundy losing to Iowa state.

I don't know who you think I said Butch is, because I never said he was anything, but thanks again for making **** up.

 

[INCaneFan]

Here's something else to get excited about:

In Fedora's first year at UNC with Butch's players, he led UNC to their first winning ACC record since 2006 under John Bunting, and their first win vs NC St. since 2006 under John Bunting.

You are trying way too hard and falling all over yourself. You're playing with cheap stats that even the biggest anti Butch person can see through it. If you tried to be reasonable about your statement, people might actually take you seriously.

Nothing I'm posting is cheap. All facts.

What's cheap is how Butch had Miami ranked and lost to East Carolina twice. What's cheap is how Butch Davis couldn't beat Washington in 2000. What's cheap is how Butch Davis couldn't beat Tom O'Brien or Al Groh at UNC.

What's cheap is your ignorance of context. You refuse to acknowledge it, because it kills most of your argument. I never said Butch was perfect so you can put that **** on someone else, but you guys keep jizzing yourselves over a whole lot of unproven or unrealistic options.

The ECU argument is fair. He dropped games to them he shouldn't have. Upsets happen. Don't act like he's the only one. I love Mike gundy, but he missed a national title shot because he dropped a game to a really bad Iowa state team and almost lost to them this year again when undefeated. I guess by your logic that makes him trash.

The entire unc argument is garbage. The only legit year of criticism is year 3 and he still outperformed Harbaugh in year 3.

The John Blake issue is what it is. Let's not act like the **** doesn't happen everywhere. The entire sec is on protected status, because they are the worst.

Pull some random name out of the air to try and justify bad ECU losses. Yes, every coach drops some they shouldn't, but they don't do it consistently. When has Butch ever really done the opposite and has he done it consistently....beaten teams he was not favored to do so? UCLA comes to mind, then who after that?

How the **** did Butch outperform Harbaugh in year three? He didn't and if you bothered to check rather than just flying by the seat of your pants, you would know that.

Harbaugh finished with an identical record to Butch at 8-5. Harbaugh was 6-3 and finished second in conference. Butch on the other hand was 4-4 and tied for fourth in the Coastal. That's a big difference and then when you consider Butch entered the season ranked, I'd say Harbaugh CLEARLY had the more successful season. Stanford did lose some head scratchersbthat year if we're being fair considering they beat a good USC and Oregon that year.

Blake issue, okay....let's just excuse that one away because everyone does it. Let's toss in the SEC, surely that adds some weight to my silly argument / excuse.