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Have seen plenty of folks on social media highlighting him constantly getting blown up in the run game.

Is this the reason for a limited run game?

Would love to know if people are seeing similar things. Is he considered a miss in the portal?
 
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JMG said:
Have seen plenty of folks on social media highlighting him constantly getting blown up in the run game.

Is this the reason for a limited run game?

Would love to know if people are seeing similar things. Is he considered a miss in the portal?
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Bear fronts and rain aren’t his friend. We have played 5 of 7 games in the rain. We have played three games in a row with bear fronts for him to face. He has done ok but he is just under sized when facing big NT bodies.

My biggest issue, his bad snaps and penalties
 
SMU has two DTs that are big and will present an issue for the line Webb and M’ba are 310+ DT. I haven’t watched them play since the OT of Baylor. Pretty sure they run a normal 4/3 with the DTs in the gaps 1T and 3T.
 
When we have the center as the weakest link in the OL, a QB who is primarily a pocket passer, and a run game that is mainly runs straight up the middle.... what could go wrong?
Also, I have never seen so many passes tipped at the line of scrimmage, that too from a 6'3" QB.

We have to shore up the middle of the line or move the pocket...
 
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caneworld said:
When we have the center as the weakest link in the OL and a QB who is primarily a pocket passer... it is trouble.

We have shore up the middle of the line or move the pocket...
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He is fine in pass pro. We have one of the lowest pressure ratings in the country. His issues: run blocking vs bear fronts that know we are running to the A gap(short yardage plays), penalties, and some bad snaps. His pros: pulling, pass pro, handles stuns well, communication
 
90scane said:
Bear fronts and rain aren’t his friend. We have played 5 of 7 games in the rain. We have played three games in a row with bear fronts for him to face. He has done ok but he is just under sized when facing big NT bodies.

My biggest issue, his bad snaps and penalties
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See post above. We run duo a ton so those DT get moved with help from cooper or McCoy. His issue is inside zone vs bear fronts in short yardage, rain ( god we have played a ton of rain games), penalties. The later two are minor and compound. Rain + inside zone vs bear on short yardage= need to snap faster= potential for bad or penalties…

Kid isn’t a top 5 center but he isn’t trash. He likely makes a nfl team or practice squad. The gms have years of film on him. He is dang good at pass pro which is important at that level more so than short yardage in rain vs NT.
 
90scane said:
See post above. We run duo a ton so those DT get moved with help from cooper or McCoy. His issue is inside zone vs bear fronts in short yardage, rain ( god we have played a ton of rain games), penalties. The later two are minor and compound. Rain + inside zone vs bear on short yardage= need to snap faster= potential for bad or penalties…

Kid isn’t a top 5 center but he isn’t trash. He likely makes a nfl team or practice squad. The gms have years of film on him. He is dang good at pass pro which is important at that level more so than short yardage in rain vs NT.
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I actually agree with your assessment of his weaknesses and that he’s at his best when pass blocking and pulling. He’s just not a good fit for this offense with how much we run A gap, especially when we’re doing it out of 12 and 23 personnel. The snaps have been really bad though. Not saying he’s trash at the college level but I doubt he even makes it onto a practice squad
 
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I actually agree with your assessment of his weaknesses and that he’s at his best when pass blocking and pulling. He’s just not a good fit for this offense with how much we run A gap, especially when we’re doing it out of 12 and 23 personnel. The snaps have been really bad though. Not saying he’s trash at the college level but I doubt he even makes it onto a practice squad
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I’m actually surprised about the snaps being that he’s coming from a traditional spread system.
 
90scane said:
SMU has two DTs that are big and will present an issue for the line Webb and M’ba are 310+ DT. I haven’t watched them play since the OT of Baylor. Pretty sure they run a normal 4/3 with the DTs in the gaps 1T and 3T.
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They do normally run a 4-3 attacking scheme similar to Manny but they would be foolish not to come out in a Bear front.
 
caneworld said:
When we have the center as the weakest link in the OL, a QB who is primarily a pocket, and a run game that is mainly runs straight up the middle.... what could go wrong?
Also, I have never seen so many passes tipped at the line of scrimmage, that too from a 6'3" QB.

We have to shore up the middle of the line or move the pocket...
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I came here to say this lol..our entire offensive scheme is directly tied to our worst player on offense
 
90scane said:
Bear fronts and rain aren’t his friend. We have played 5 of 7 games in the rain. We have played three games in a row with bear fronts for him to face. He has done ok but he is just under sized when facing big NT bodies.

My biggest issue, his bad snaps and penalties
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U would think ur HC OC and OL coach seeing bear fronts would spread those teams out but who am I to second guess them. I’m just some jerk off on a message board
 
JayCane20 said:
He's a weakness but the real problem is the rest of the interior of our OL is not good run blocking either, like they had planned, to compensate for his weakness in his game.

LG has been a real problem and Cooper has always graded pretty low as a run blocker.
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Correct. Been saying the same for a while now. In terms of pure run blocking, the transition from Rivers/Carpenter to the combination of Samson & Rivers with Brock is simply not as effective.

We ran the same plays last year into the same fronts with basically the same backs, and the results were much different. Not real hard to figure out why.

This is why I hope we lean into the pass a little more early in games. I saw something that Miami has given up ZERO pressures against non-blitz defenses the entire season. You should be able to be really efficient if you know they have to rush 5+ to even pressure you. Embrace that, you have a better pass blocking OL than run blocking. So embrace it, trust your 5 up front to win, as they have all year, and you can even get backs into routes because you don't need to keep someone in unless they bring 5+.

Right now, we are 49th in the country in highest rush percentage. Last year we were 112th. 55% this year to 45% last year. I understand our QB isn't as good, but I said all off-season we didn't pay this guy what we did to come hand the ball off every play, and he's not (49th in the country isn't exactly Navy or Army), but it's certainly a lower mix than last year. I'm not sure if that's just Cam vs Beck, or a combination of them thinking the receivers are worse as well, but I think it's time to get closer to a 50/50 split.
 
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JayCane20 said:
He's a weakness but the real problem is the rest of the interior of our OL is not good run blocking either, like they had planned, to compensate for his weakness in his game.

LG has been a real problem and Cooper has always graded pretty low as a run blocker.
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This can't be said enough. Our interior OL play this year has been average at best - this is probably part of the execution issue that Mario hints at regarding the run game issues.
 
One thing I've noticed is pad level between the G*C*G is too high on run blocks. Pay attention to it on short yardage downs. It should be a point of emphasis at every practice. Sunday thru Friday.

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CANEMC said:
One thing I've noticed is pad level between the G*C*G is too high on run blocks. Pay attention to it on short yardage downs. It should be a point of emphasis at every practice. Sunday thru Friday.

:20161020-221306th:
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**** I remember that, I remember fans thinking that was a S/C issue. That was a bad player issue, dark times man.
 
The young man or the other young men aren't the problem. 5 guys can only block or disrupt 5 or 6. When you see the numbers of players we're seeing in the box, tight splits or WR's blocking with TE's in, you sometimes have their entire defense within 15 yards of the snap. Add to it, we've got one receiver in Toney that any team is even worried about and the TE's are basic, you can load the box up, sit on the run, etc.

Lastly, Beck isn't the same threat as the guy last year. He isn't on the move, throwing, and his targets aren't anywhere near as good overall.

Gotta draw the plays up better. This **** doesn't work. That's what you do when personnel changes or things aren't working in the system you've got in place. Better yet, gameplan for an opponent. The talk in this thread tries to diminish ability / potential and overcomplicate what you're seeing. Adjust Dawson, Mirabal, Mario, etc.
 
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