Bro ball needs more praise

[1mg of Epi]

We didn't take our playmakers out of the equation.

Mark Fletcher is a playmaker, he had 24 carries.

Marty Brown is a playmaker, he had 22 opportunities (18 carries and 4 catches)

Elija Lofton is a playmaker, he had 4 catches.

Malachi Toney is a playmaker, he had 4 catches.

CJ Daniels is a playmaker, he had 4 catches and he had a ball hit him right in both hands for an easy first-down inside the gata 30 that he dropped.

Our quarterback was off. The ball was wet. We were playing one of the most handicapped offenses I've ever seen. If we don't have the worst call I've seen in the sport this year, we are winning 20-0 after 35 minutes of football.

When you slow the game down like that, especially when the defense if playing so well, you limit the number of drives and plays you have. When you have fewer drives and plays, your playmakers have fewer chances to make plays.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

When you slow the game down like that, especially when the defense if playing so well, you limit the number of drives and plays you have. When you have fewer drives and plays, your playmakers have fewer chances to make plays.

We ran 76 plays. Last year we averaged 71.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Call it like you see it. Mario and bro ball completely put that game away in a critical must score drive.

13 plays. 80 yards. 7 ******* minutes

Started with 11:10 left in the 4th and ended with 4:08 on the clock.

Brown and Fletcher with every carry/catch

I honestly was complaining for more running throughout the game because we just kept falling forward every single carry. This team can go very far when you can run the ball and the opposing defense can’t do anything to stop it.

People want tempo I get it but use it sparingly when we have too. If you can run the clock give the team less offensive possessions and bring out an elite D? You cooking

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And maybe the staff sees something and doesn’t trust Beck like they did Cam to completely wing it. That’s not his style

 

[1mg of Epi]

We ran 76 plays. Last year we averaged 71.

How long was the average scoring drive?

I’m not saying there’s no value to slowing the game, just that the time to do it isn’t up by 10 with 3 quarters to go.

 

[423Hurricane]

We ran 76 plays. Last year we averaged 71.

Context doesn’t matter!

 

[TaylorWalls]

Guys.

We had 12 drives against Florida. Last year, when Cam Ward threw for 437 yards against Cal, we had 13 drives.

We're not "limiting the number of drives".

 

[1mg of Epi]

People want tempo I get it but use it sparingly when we have too. If you can run the clock give the team less offensive possessions and bring out an elite D? You cooking

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Yes… there’s a time and place for both. Get a lead that can’t be overtaken in two drives, then slow it down.

 

[ShadowSpring]

Guys.

We had 12 drives against Florida. Last year, when Cam Ward threw for 437 yards against Cal, we had 13 drives.

We're not "limiting the number of drives".

What slowed us down vs Notre Dame was #87 and #8 blocking like they had no torso. Yes we probably should have let Carson throw more in the 3rd qtr. What slowed us down vs Florida was our C making stupid mistakes. We had 1st and goal from the 5 and our Center made 2 stupid mistakes and ruined the drive. Should have easily been 17-0. Room for improvement.

 

[TaylorWalls]

What slowed us down vs Notre Dame was #87 and #8 blocking like they had no torso. Yes we probably should have let Carson throw more in the 3rd qtr. What slowed us down vs Florida was our C making stupid mistakes. We had 1st and goal from the 5 and our Center made 2 stupid mistakes and ruined the drive. Should have easily been 17-0. Room for improvement.

I just don't know what these guys are seeing when they claim that we're slowing the game down and limiting the number of drives.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Yes… there’s a time and place for both. Get a lead that can’t be overtaken in two drives, then slow it down.

The first 2 drives of the game were touchdown, first and 10 at their 21 and we get 2 presnap penalties surrounding one snap and kick a FG.

What are we doing here? We scored a touchdown on drive 1. Should we have done it quicker? Why? We drive right down their throats again on drive 2. Two presnap penalties, field goal. That’s not good enough to start a game? 10 points on 2 drives, neither that we start with great field position?

 

[mirvin88]

When **** isn’t working, it’s nice to just lean on people.

 

[futurecane]

Not necessarily. Just playing devil's advocate.

We have a very strong defense, so if the opposition goes 3 to 5 play drives and out often and we're getting 4-12 play drives, typically offense like bro ball explode in the 2nd half, as they set up play action (slower pass rush) and run becomes longer.

I understand your logic and don't completely disagree. He's playing the paramount fundamental of football, blocking tackling and win the turnovers.

Regarding our strengths, I don't know that are passing game is the strength, it's the run game, with PA passes, so I don't think that's the case.

If we get up early, i.e., 14-0 by mid 2nd quarter, it lets our DL do DL things, and then just grind them to death, so the other team gets no rhythm, or chance to flip momentum. And I think that's the real idea of this offense.

Again, don't disagree with you, but when I team as highly talented runs an offense like this, like Michigan, not Paul Johnson, it's painful to play against.

I’m not disagreeing with the plays, I’m disagreeing with the pace. Run more plays, snap the ball with more time left on the play clock.

 

[futurecane]

The first 2 drives of the game were touchdown, first and 10 at their 21 and we get 2 presnap penalties surrounding one snap and kick a FG.

What are we doing here? We scored a touchdown on drive 1. Should we have done it quicker? Why? We drive right down their throats again on drive 2. Two presnap penalties, field goal. That’s not good enough to start a game? 10 points on 2 drives, neither that we start with great field position?

The answer is yes. Positive outcomes for both drives, you want more drives, not less, to overcome variability (pre-snap penalties). We have better athletes, let’s push pace so that we can get that additional drive or two in that can make a difference in a game.

 

[TaylorWalls]

The answer is yes. Positive outcomes for both drives, you want more drives, not less, to overcome variability (pre-snap penalties). We have better athletes, let’s push pace so that we can get that additional drive or two in that can make a difference in a game.

Just an FYI, if we have more drives, the opponent also has more drives. Also, we don't have the playmakers to score quickly, so trying for "MOAR DRIVES" will often result in quick three-and-outs.

 

[JHallCanes]

the one thing that has been missing from this offense is the home run ability. Just a few explosive plays can completely swing a game...

And we really didn’t have it last year either which makes that offense a year ago that much more unbelievable

 

[423Hurricane]

I’m not disagreeing with the plays, I’m disagreeing with the pace. Run more plays, snap the ball with more time left on the play clock.

We ran 76 plays against the gator. They ran 52. How many more plays would be sufficient?

 

[JHallCanes]

We ran 76 plays. Last year we averaged 71.

This is where your stat threads help

Last year if you look at the UiF game and say the Cal game (I haven’t looked at the whole schedule) the opposition didn’t run a ton of plays either. Problem was the explosive plays meant they didn’t need to

Cal IIRC Mendoza completed like 10 passes. I didn’t check VT but it probably wasn’t more than 70 plays. A few games were in the 50s we just got absolutely slaughtered on many of them

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

The answer is yes. Positive outcomes for both drives, you want more drives, not less, to overcome variability (pre-snap penalties). We have better athletes, let’s push pace so that we can get that additional drive or two in that can make a difference in a game.

For this particular game, I disagree. Also, you're assuming we're going to score 5 points every drive. That's not sustainable. Of course every team wishes they could have 12 possessions in a game and have the other team go 3-and-out 12 times, but that's not reality. In this particular game, the only way that ****** offense is going to beat you is if you beat yourself. Giving them the ball in plus territory is the only way they're going to score near enough points to beat you. So, you control the clock, you sustain drives, and you obviously try to score points but in the event you don't, you give them long fields.

In general, I would like to see more pace. But I love knowing our staff is being intelligent with this stuff and really knowing the opponent.

Also, I'll never be over that bull**** forward progress call for as long as I live. I want so badly to go back and be up 20-0 and see how that game plays out. I guarantee you the narrative on this board would be a LOT different, but who cares about that, we're fans we are just talking about the game. But I believe without a shadow of a doubt that we win that game 34-0 or 41-0 if they don't steal that TD. And, just because I want every single gator to die, nothing would make me happier than shutting them out by 5-6 scores.

 

[Arehel]

I’m not disagreeing with the plays, I’m disagreeing with the pace. Run more plays, snap the ball with more time left on the play clock.

I saw your other post regarding you want more drive and pushing pace, I get it, but this also gives the other team more drives or opportunity to "turn it around" and get into rhythm, as I was saying.

I get what you're trying to get across and has merit, but I think what's lost here is if we run two drives in the 1st half and score on both leading to 14-0 at the end of the half and the opponent goes 3-out, their defense is going to be exhausted and beat up for the second half and then the playbook usually opens up, meanwhile our defense is fresh as heck and their offense still has bus legs.

I don't think we saw the playbook open up vs the gators much in regards to PA shots and going for the kill because the field conditions etc. and honestly Beck and the receivers weren't having the best game. I do think that was the intent, but just didn't get there, and kind of cool we didn't have to.

This team roster make up is reminiscent of the early 2010s Alabama roster. The Derrick Henry years, before they had one stud WR and stronger QBs.
Basically exceptional defense, strong running game and a competent passing game.

 

[90scane]

I love the additions to the playbook. 2rb with motion. T formation with SJ at FB. Counters…

I hope the limitations on the passing game were due to penalties and rain. If we can get improvements from all the young players: Lyle, Pringle, Moore, trader, Toney, Schott, Gilbert, Lofton…the explosive plays will start to happen especially vs the back 7 in the schedule.

I think our D is mainly why we see the snaps so low for opponents. Lots of 3&outs giving our offensive more opportunities to reach 70plus. If our offense adds pace or explosive plays we could hit 80 plus and get more snaps for 2-3teamers. Sure they may give up some points but we need depth and less snaps for the 1s to last into the cfp.