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Bro ball needs more praise

AtlAtty said:
Now we likely play as slow or slower than any team not named Georgia Tech. Watch how late in the play clock we snap the ball. Typically under 10 seconds, even in the 1st quarter. Now we are reducing possessions the way Tech did to us last year. FYI, that game may have 8-10 possessions the entire game; 4-5 for each team so we better make the most of them!
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I think Mario is a very good coach, but his current strategy is dangerous. By slowing the game and bleeding clock, we cut down possessions and actually give up the advantage our roster provides. With only 4/5 drives each, a single fumble, interception, or penalty can decide the outcome.

It’s like flipping a coin—if you only flip it 5 times, the weaker side has a decent shot to come out ahead; flip it 20 times, and the stronger side almost always wins. That’s exactly why underdogs shorten games—to increase variance and hope for breaks.

Miami, with superior depth and talent, should be doing the opposite and maximizing possessions so that over time, our edge becomes undeniable. I hate to say it, but this WILL be our Achilles heel until it’s fixed.
 
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futurecane said:
I think Mario is a very good coach, but his current strategy is dangerous. By slowing the game and bleeding clock, we cut down possessions and actually give up the advantage our roster provides. With only 4/5 drives each, a single fumble, interception, or penalty can decide the outcome.

It’s like flipping a coin—if you only flip it 5 times, the weaker side has a decent shot to come out ahead; flip it 20 times, and the stronger side almost always wins. That’s exactly why underdogs shorten games—to increase variance and hope for breaks.

Miami, with superior depth and talent, should be doing the opposite and maximizing possessions so that over time, our edge becomes undeniable. I hate to say it, but this WILL be our Achilles heel until it’s fixed.
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I don’t disagree. We could keep running effectively and often, but not be as slow to snap the ball, at least in the first 1/2 or 3/4 of the game.

I was literally watching the play clock in the UF game to see when we were snapping the ball in the first. Outside of 3-4 times thatg we went up tempo, it seemed like almost every snap was with less than 10 seconds on the clock.

I also agree with you that talent wins the more opportunity it has and the more talented team should want more possessions. I coach basketball and depending on our opponents, we are either speeding up or slowing down the game, thereby increasing or decreasing the number of shots.
 
AtlAtty said:
I also agree with you that talent wins the more opportunity it has and the more talented team should want more possessions. I coach basketball and depending on our opponents, we are either speeding up or slowing down the game, thereby increasing or decreasing the number of shots.
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A perfect example is the gator game - absolute domination, and yet they almost took the lead off an interception in the 3rd quarter. That’s inexcusable.
 
futurecane said:
A perfect example is the gator game - absolute domination, and yet they almost took the lead off an interception in the 3rd quarter. That’s inexcusable.
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It has absolutely nothing to do with how we play, or pace. We had 5 possessions in the first half. First was a gorgeous touchdown drive. Second got to 1st and 10 on the UiF 21, and we shot ourselves in the foot with 2 presnap penalties on back to back plays, so we got 3. Third drive we got to their 41 and stalled, so we pinned them at their 8 after a punt. 4th was a three and out (admittedly not great). Fifth we got down to First and goal at their 6, shot ourselves in the foot again with a presnap penalty, and kicked a FG. 3 scoring drives out of 5.

What's inexcusable is the poor execution, not "the way we play". We played very sloppily on offense overall, several presnap penalties, drops, guys not blocking their man, Beck was all over the place....and we won the game convincingly.

This is exactly how this team wants to play, and it's smart. You're an absolute wagon on both lines, just squeeze the life out of people over the course of 60 minutes, don't beat yourself, and you'll be fine.
 
futurecane said:
I think Mario is a very good coach, but his current strategy is dangerous. By slowing the game and bleeding clock, we cut down possessions and actually give up the advantage our roster provides. With only 4/5 drives each, a single fumble, interception, or penalty can decide the outcome.

It’s like flipping a coin—if you only flip it 5 times, the weaker side has a decent shot to come out ahead; flip it 20 times, and the stronger side almost always wins. That’s exactly why underdogs shorten games—to increase variance and hope for breaks.

Miami, with superior depth and talent, should be doing the opposite and maximizing possessions so that over time, our edge becomes undeniable. I hate to say it, but this WILL be our Achilles heel until it’s fixed.
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We’ve shown we can go up tempo too. Different tools for different jobs
 
It definitely works, more often than not, when you have the players.

The criticism is that is slows down your pace and leaves some points on the board, which allows inferior teams to hang around.
 
Anyone know why we don’t tush push? Feel like this is a low hanging fruit on 3 and 1 if we just rush up to the line and hurry up
 
futurecane said:
I think Mario is a very good coach, but his current strategy is dangerous. By slowing the game and bleeding clock, we cut down possessions and actually give up the advantage our roster provides. With only 4/5 drives each, a single fumble, interception, or penalty can decide the outcome.

It’s like flipping a coin—if you only flip it 5 times, the weaker side has a decent shot to come out ahead; flip it 20 times, and the stronger side almost always wins. That’s exactly why underdogs shorten games—to increase variance and hope for breaks.

Miami, with superior depth and talent, should be doing the opposite and maximizing possessions so that over time, our edge becomes undeniable. I hate to say it, but this WILL be our Achilles heel until it’s fixed.
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Except we’re not really holding the ball much longer than we did last year. We’re just not as good offensively.

Miami was 14th in time of possession last year. They are 7th this year. They were inside the top ten pretty much the whole season last year until Georgia Tech knocked them down a few spots.
 
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futurecane said:
I think Mario is a very good coach, but his current strategy is dangerous. By slowing the game and bleeding clock, we cut down possessions and actually give up the advantage our roster provides. With only 4/5 drives each, a single fumble, interception, or penalty can decide the outcome.

It’s like flipping a coin—if you only flip it 5 times, the weaker side has a decent shot to come out ahead; flip it 20 times, and the stronger side almost always wins. That’s exactly why underdogs shorten games—to increase variance and hope for breaks.

Miami, with superior depth and talent, should be doing the opposite and maximizing possessions so that over time, our edge becomes undeniable. I hate to say it, but this WILL be our Achilles heel until it’s fixed.
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We've played two games against very good defenses in the rain. Those games were never going to be high octane offenses on display. We put up 576 yards against USF and scored 49 points.

Maybe that's exactly who we are but I think it's too early to tell.
 
Yeah, it's at the point where it kind of annoys me when we take deep shots on 1st or 2nd down and miss, knowing full well we can easily get at least 4 yards on the ground and stay on schedule
 
Dammit mane this bye week finna be diabolical. It’s not October 1st yet and we on the 75th victory lap.
 
LPK2006 said:
Yeah, it's at the point where it kind of annoys me when we take deep shots on 1st or 2nd down and miss, knowing full well we can easily get at least 4 yards on the ground and stay on schedule
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At the same time, it's good to mix things up to keep the defense off balance.
 
futurecane said:
I think Mario is a very good coach, but his current strategy is dangerous. By slowing the game and bleeding clock, we cut down possessions and actually give up the advantage our roster provides. With only 4/5 drives each, a single fumble, interception, or penalty can decide the outcome.

It’s like flipping a coin—if you only flip it 5 times, the weaker side has a decent shot to come out ahead; flip it 20 times, and the stronger side almost always wins. That’s exactly why underdogs shorten games—to increase variance and hope for breaks.

Miami, with superior depth and talent, should be doing the opposite and maximizing possessions so that over time, our edge becomes undeniable. I hate to say it, but this WILL be our Achilles heel until it’s fixed.
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Yup. Disaster incoming
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
It has absolutely nothing to do with how we play, or pace. We had 5 possessions in the first half. First was a gorgeous touchdown drive. Second got to 1st and 10 on the UiF 21, and we shot ourselves in the foot with 2 presnap penalties on back to back plays, so we got 3. Third drive we got to their 41 and stalled, so we pinned them at their 8 after a punt. 4th was a three and out (admittedly not great). Fifth we got down to First and goal at their 6, shot ourselves in the foot again with a presnap penalty, and kicked a FG. 3 scoring drives out of 5.

What's inexcusable is the poor execution, not "the way we play". We played very sloppily on offense overall, several presnap penalties, drops, guys not blocking their man, Beck was all over the place....and we won the game convincingly.

This is exactly how this team wants to play, and it's smart. You're an absolute wagon on both lines, just squeeze the life out of people over the course of 60 minutes, don't beat yourself, and you'll be fine.
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It’s college football. The players aren’t very good and will always have problems with execution. The pace almost cost us the game against a team we totally dominated that wasn’t able to take advantage. Against a team with a competent QB, it’s going to get us beat.
 
Despite utterly dominating UF, we were one broken coverage or slipping DB away from falling behind in the fourth quarter of that game. I get it that conditions weren’t ideal but intentionally shortening games against lesser opponents is how you lose to them. If you’re the better team, you want to lessen the impact of one single fluke play, not greater it. The fewer possessions in a game the better the chance that one fluke play can cost you the game. Shortening the game is how bad teams upset good ones and if we’re really the #2 team in the country we shouldn’t be trying to shorten games against anyone.

Also, before someone misinterprets this, I don’t have an issue with building a big lead and then milking the clock in the fourth quarter. I have an issue with milking the clock in a 13-0 or 13-7 game. You’re just putting a little too much faith in the luck gods not making the football bounce funny on a single, game changing play.
 
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futurecane said:
I think Mario is a very good coach, but his current strategy is dangerous. By slowing the game and bleeding clock, we cut down possessions and actually give up the advantage our roster provides. With only 4/5 drives each, a single fumble, interception, or penalty can decide the outcome.

It’s like flipping a coin—if you only flip it 5 times, the weaker side has a decent shot to come out ahead; flip it 20 times, and the stronger side almost always wins. That’s exactly why underdogs shorten games—to increase variance and hope for breaks.

Miami, with superior depth and talent, should be doing the opposite and maximizing possessions so that over time, our edge becomes undeniable. I hate to say it, but this WILL be our Achilles heel until it’s fixed.
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Not necessarily. Just playing devil's advocate.

We have a very strong defense, so if the opposition goes 3 to 5 play drives and out often and we're getting 4-12 play drives, typically offense like bro ball explode in the 2nd half, as they set up play action (slower pass rush) and run becomes longer.

I understand your logic and don't completely disagree. He's playing the paramount fundamental of football, blocking tackling and win the turnovers.

Regarding our strengths, I don't know that are passing game is the strength, it's the run game, with PA passes, so I don't think that's the case.

If we get up early, i.e., 14-0 by mid 2nd quarter, it lets our DL do DL things, and then just grind them to death, so the other team gets no rhythm, or chance to flip momentum. And I think that's the real idea of this offense.

Again, don't disagree with you, but when I team as highly talented runs an offense like this, like Michigan, not Paul Johnson, it's painful to play against.
 
StoneWallLoungeCane said:
It’s college football. The players aren’t very good and will always have problems with execution. The pace almost cost us the game against a team we totally dominated that wasn’t able to take advantage. Against a team with a competent QB, it’s going to get us beat.
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Had nothing to do with pace.
 
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