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Brenden Sorsby- The Gambling Addiction

ssvir said:
Salah and DMoney don't know their *** from their elbow when it comes to sports gambling.

The number of bets he made is completely normal and the betting on weird sports is normal. There are Twitter touts who post their picks in obscure sports all the time and then people follow/tail those bets. He wasn't up at 3am and watching Russian table tennis.

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On top of that, if Sorsby didn't bet on every game of his teams' that is also effectively taking the other team.

The whole strategy and outcome is insane.
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But isn’t the whole point of the “no betting” rule is so they can’t be compromised? Betting on… or against your own team is super blatant. But let’s say he got behind $100K betting on “Russian Table Tennis” and he doesn’t have have $100K liquid to pay it…

You look back two years ago when he’s made a lot of bets, he threw 2 INTs and had a fumble against an FCS school and his team lost in an upset. He didn’t bet on the game at all….but now you’re questioning if he just had a ****** game or was it something else at play?

That’s a lot to unpack but there’s a lot of questions there.
 
I am not a lawyer at all, so asking what might be a dumb questions. Is this all from the NCAA v Oklahoma case in the 80’s? Is that the basis that TT is using against ncaa? Is there no legal precedent (maybe wrong word) for entities that choose to participate in an organization, like TT in the NCAA, of having to follow the agreed upon rules and covenants? This seems like it can be applied to more than just college football. Like alcoholism is a protected ADA status in workforce. But you can’t show up to the job drunk if your company has a zero tolerance policy. You have a diagnosis and even an accommodation, but you can’t say you have hopes and dreams of making a career and spend money getting a degree so the employer can’t take my job away because I’d be irreparably harmed? Why is it different
 
FuriousStyles said:
But isn’t the whole point of the “no betting” rule is so they can’t be compromised? Betting on… or against your own team is super blatant. But let’s say he got behind $100K betting on “Russian Table Tennis” and he doesn’t have have $100K liquid to pay it…

You look back two years ago when he’s made a lot of bets, he threw 2 INTs and had a fumble against an FCS school and his team lost in an upset. He didn’t bet on the game at all….but now you’re questioning if he just had a ****** game or was it something else at play?

That’s a lot to unpack but there’s a lot of questions there.
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My position is he bet on his teams games so he should never play again. I don't even know how an NFL team could invest in him knowing this information.

My post was meant to counteract the uninformed gamblers that think he truly has a mental illness just b/c he bet on some weird international sports. It is very common for people to follow sports betting touts that identify "edges" in all sorts of sports.
 
TriStarCane said:
I am not a lawyer at all, so asking what might be a dumb questions. Is this all from the NCAA v Oklahoma case in the 80’s? Is that the basis that TT is using against ncaa? Is there no legal precedent (maybe wrong word) for entities that choose to participate in an organization, like TT in the NCAA, of having to follow the agreed upon rules and covenants? This seems like it can be applied to more than just college football. Like alcoholism is a protected ADA status in workforce. But you can’t show up to the job drunk if your company has a zero tolerance policy. You have a diagnosis and even an accommodation, but you can’t say you have hopes and dreams of making a career and spend money getting a degree so the employer can’t take my job away because I’d be irreparably harmed? Why is it different
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NCAA v. Oklahoma was the case that opened up television rights. Prior to that case, the NCAA controlled everyone's rights, and very strictly. SCOTUS ruled that this was an antitrust violation.

The NCAA isn't the law. It's just a nonprofit organization that only has as much power as agreed-upon by its members. It's members are the universities themselves. If the universities decide they don't want to abide by the NCAA's rules, then there is nothing that legally requires them to, other than any contracts they've made with the NCAA. It's like UM's membership in the ACC. We are contractually obligated to be in the ACC, but if we want to leave, then we pay the exit fee.
 
caneingville said:
NCAA v. Oklahoma was the case that opened up television rights. Prior to that case, the NCAA controlled everyone's rights, and very strictly. SCOTUS ruled that this was an antitrust violation.

The NCAA isn't the law. It's just a nonprofit organization that only has as much power as agreed-upon by its members. It's members are the universities themselves. If the universities decide they don't want to abide by the NCAA's rules, then there is nothing that legally requires them to, other than any contracts they've made with the NCAA. It's like UM's membership in the ACC. We are contractually obligated to be in the ACC, but if we want to leave, then we pay the exit fee.
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That makes sense. So if it’s voluntary to join and be apart, what is stopping the NCAA from removing a school who doesn’t want to participate under the agreed upon rules and regulations? Isn’t it a two way street?

Also, what’s to stop other players from refusing to participate? Is Sorsby going to sue them too?
 
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ssvir said:
My position is he bet on his teams games so he should never play again. I don't even know how an NFL team could invest in him knowing this information.

My post was meant to counteract the uninformed gamblers that think he truly has a mental illness just b/c he bet on some weird international sports. It is very common for people to follow sports betting touts that identify "edges" in all sorts of sports.
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Even if he does have a legit illness that doesn't mean he should be allowed to play. They don't let murderers walk if they're mentally ill and like go back to teaching middle school math. TTU is going all in becasue they think they can win it all this year. But now, as has been said, every INT, every questionable throw, every fumble, every time he turfs one at the feet of a WR, it'll be questioned. I can't imagine a head coach who would want to be in that situation.
 
ssvir said:
My position is he bet on his teams games so he should never play again. I don't even know how an NFL team could invest in him knowing this information.

My post was meant to counteract the uninformed gamblers that think he truly has a mental illness just b/c he bet on some weird international sports. It is very common for people to follow sports betting touts that identify "edges" in all sorts of sports.
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Being an audacious idiot isn’t a medical condition. He wasn’t missing games or practices due to gambling. He wasn’t having to pawn things off. He wasn’t even having to ask people for help. It didn’t even affect his relationship with his girlfriend. There’s no proof that he was recklessly chasing loses. He simply got caught because he’s dumb AF.
 
I could see this be the unifying event that pulls B1G and SEC together to say f it, pull away from the NCAA and form their superleague where it’s invite only and guess who doesn’t get an invite???
 
rascon said:
I could see this be the unifying event that pulls B1G and SEC together to say f it, pull away from the NCAA and form their superleague where it’s invite only and guess who doesn’t get an invite???
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Funny thing about that is all the SEC schools are offering Cody Campbell’s son and inviting Cody to come watch their camps. All these SEC schools that used to be on top and are now mid would all take some Cody Campbell money. Texas Tech, the Texas judge, and the Texas AG running for Senate are just vessels for Cody Campbell, who is the puppeteer here.
 
TriStarCane said:
That makes sense. So if it’s voluntary to join and be apart, what is stopping the NCAA from removing a school who doesn’t want to participate under the agreed upon rules and regulations? Isn’t it a two way street?

Also, what’s to stop other players from refusing to participate? Is Sorsby going to sue them too?
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The NCAA certainly could remove a school, again, assuming that the terms of the contract provide for that.

But think about that, logically. Why would they do that? What would the repercussions be for the NCAA? As soon as the NCAA even threatens to remove a member school, the rest of the member schools would pull out. Then the NCAA is standing around, twiddling their thumbs because they're dead.

Remember that the NCAA doesn't even own the college football postseason or any of the bowl games. They made a massive mistake when they neglected to capture any rights for these back then. They own March Madness and the postseason for all the other sports, but they screwed up big time when they somehow just forgot to get involved in football, the biggest money maker. Now, they're trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube.

Re: Sorsby, are you referring to Texas Tech players? Like, what if all the other players refuse to play because of his actions, so he's the only player left and Tech has to forfeit all their games? Or are you referring to the Big 12 players and other teams that are saying they won't play against Tech now?
 
Garnacho said:
Funny thing about that is all the SEC schools are offering Cody Campbell’s son and inviting Cody to come watch their camps. All these SEC schools that used to be on top and are now mid would all take some Cody Campbell money. Texas Tech, the Texas judge, and the Texas AG running for Senate are just vessels for Cody Campbell, who is the puppeteer here.
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Which is the point some of us are trying to make about the outrage.
 
rascon said:
I could see this be the unifying event that pulls B1G and SEC together to say f it, pull away from the NCAA and form their superleague where it’s invite only and guess who doesn’t get an invite???
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Though NIL has little to nothing to do with this… this situation could be the watershed moment that upset the right people and put all kinds of hardline parameters in place from salary caps on student athletes… coaches, gambling to trans athletes. No more gray area or wiggle room. Folks went too far.
 
caneingville said:
The NCAA certainly could remove a school, again, assuming that the terms of the contract provide for that.

But think about that, logically. Why would they do that? What would the repercussions be for the NCAA? As soon as the NCAA even threatens to remove a member school, the rest of the member schools would pull out. Then the NCAA is standing around, twiddling their thumbs because they're dead.

Remember that the NCAA doesn't even own the college football postseason or any of the bowl games. They made a massive mistake when they neglected to capture any rights for these back then. They own March Madness and the postseason for all the other sports, but they screwed up big time when they somehow just forgot to get involved in football, the biggest money maker. Now, they're trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube.

Re: Sorsby, are you referring to Texas Tech players? Like, what if all the other players refuse to play because of his actions, so he's the only player left and Tech has to forfeit all their games? Or are you referring to the Big 12 players and other teams that are saying they won't play against Tech now?
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Players on other teams
 
Garnacho said:
rascon said:
I could see this be the unifying event that pulls B1G and SEC together to say f it, pull away from the NCAA and form their superleague where it’s invite only and guess who doesn’t get an invite???
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Funny thing about that is all the SEC schools are offering Cody Campbell’s son and inviting Cody to come watch their camps. All these SEC schools that used to be on top and are now mid would all take some Cody Campbell money. Texas Tech, the Texas judge, and the Texas AG running for Senate are just vessels for Cody Campbell, who is the puppeteer here.
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I get what you throwing down, but Cody and his son are going nowhere. They control everything from where they are and have lots of political people in their back pocket.

The SEC schools offer him nothing that can match that level of influence.
 
Garnacho said:
Being an audacious idiot isn’t a medical condition. He wasn’t missing games or practices due to gambling. He wasn’t having to pawn things off. He wasn’t even having to ask people for help. It didn’t even affect his relationship with his girlfriend. There’s no proof that he was recklessly chasing loses. He simply got caught because he’s dumb AF.
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Agreed, dumb as f**k. The “No Betting” theory is that it removes any doubt and suspicion about cheating to lose. Betting, but not on your team or on your sport, still leaves the door open for a kid to be compromised by being in debt due to betting, not being able to cover it. And even though they never bet, someone else might need you cover it, all you have to do is play..maybe badly. Just sayin’
 
TriStarCane said:
Players on other teams
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They have contractual obligations to play for their own teams. If they decided not to play, any legal issues would be between them and their own teams only. Sorsby would not have standing to sue players on other teams, as he is not a party to their contract.
 
You are now going to see teams fully abandon any anti-doping policies. Not that the Bama's of the world weren't already ignoring that rule.

This and Chambliss situations have opened up a legitimate legal case for allowing players to take steroids.
 
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