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[OzarCaneSaw]

Just because the OP would like for them to factor in the athletic program (Football specifically) does not in any way mean he wants us to hire a president that doesn't care about academics. Why shouldn't how a future president would handle the athletic program a topic of discussion? it should be. It doesn't have to be a main criteria in hiring a president. But that doesn't mean they should just ignore it, because it isn't as important as academics, which obviously it isn't.
And Shalala has been very supportive of the athletic programs. She goes to many athletic events. But she doesn't hold us to the high standard in sports like she does academics. She has approved bad hires in football.
It's not cray to want a president that holds us to the academic standards that Shalala has, but also hold our Sports (Mainly Football) to the same standard. That's what I want. That's why Condoleza Rice is the perfect president candidate, although I doubt we'd have a shot at her coming here.

The football program is both a MAJOR expenditure and a MAJOR source of revenue. The fact that the revenue balances out the spending does not negate the fact that it is a VERY important line item on Miami's annual budget and therefore is a MAJOR consideration for any new president to oversee. Yes, it is incredibly important, from a business standpoint, that the incoming president has some concern for the success/failure of the program.

So...I think we are trying to say same thing. In reality the athletic program should probably only be under 10-15% of a reason to hire a president. I mean Rice is one of the few that I think would go above and beyond for the athletic department.

In most normal Universities, yeah, I'd say your right. But the football team is the PR wing of Miami. That's bigger than 10-15% Don't know their budget, but the football program is a significantly bigger % than at a school like Columbia, Cal Tech or U. of Pennsylvania. For that reason, more consideration should be given. Just from a financial/business perspective. To neglect it would be foolhardy.

 

[wherrera8]

Just because the OP would like for them to factor in the athletic program (Football specifically) does not in any way mean he wants us to hire a president that doesn't care about academics. Why shouldn't how a future president would handle the athletic program a topic of discussion? it should be. It doesn't have to be a main criteria in hiring a president. But that doesn't mean they should just ignore it, because it isn't as important as academics, which obviously it isn't.
And Shalala has been very supportive of the athletic programs. She goes to many athletic events. But she doesn't hold us to the high standard in sports like she does academics. She has approved bad hires in football.
It's not cray to want a president that holds us to the academic standards that Shalala has, but also hold our Sports (Mainly Football) to the same standard. That's what I want. That's why Condoleza Rice is the perfect president candidate, although I doubt we'd have a shot at her coming here.

You literally get everything I'm saying. I do want out academics to remain competitive and high ranking, and in turn for our degrees to continue to increase in value.

I also want a much improved athletics- and don't give me the "we're good at basketball now" stuff. I want football to dominate like it always did; baseball to return to dominating, and if basketball and all the others want to join then get them there too.

Out next President should absolutely be focused on both.

Dominate in everything.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

Just because the OP would like for them to factor in the athletic program (Football specifically) does not in any way mean he wants us to hire a president that doesn't care about academics. Why shouldn't how a future president would handle the athletic program a topic of discussion? it should be. It doesn't have to be a main criteria in hiring a president. But that doesn't mean they should just ignore it, because it isn't as important as academics, which obviously it isn't.
And Shalala has been very supportive of the athletic programs. She goes to many athletic events. But she doesn't hold us to the high standard in sports like she does academics. She has approved bad hires in football.
It's not cray to want a president that holds us to the academic standards that Shalala has, but also hold our Sports (Mainly Football) to the same standard. That's what I want. That's why Condoleza Rice is the perfect president candidate, although I doubt we'd have a shot at her coming here.

You literally get everything I'm saying. I do want out academics to remain competitive and high ranking, and in turn for our degrees to continue to increase in value.

I also want a much improved athletics- and don't give me the "we're good at basketball now" stuff. I want football to dominate like it always did; baseball to return to dominating, and if basketball and all he others want to join then get them there too.

Out next President should absolutely be focused on both.

Dominate in everything.

Yes, because that's their role.

 

[wherrera8]

Just because the OP would like for them to factor in the athletic program (Football specifically) does not in any way mean he wants us to hire a president that doesn't care about academics. Why shouldn't how a future president would handle the athletic program a topic of discussion? it should be. It doesn't have to be a main criteria in hiring a president. But that doesn't mean they should just ignore it, because it isn't as important as academics, which obviously it isn't.
And Shalala has been very supportive of the athletic programs. She goes to many athletic events. But she doesn't hold us to the high standard in sports like she does academics. She has approved bad hires in football.
It's not cray to want a president that holds us to the academic standards that Shalala has, but also hold our Sports (Mainly Football) to the same standard. That's what I want. That's why Condoleza Rice is the perfect president candidate, although I doubt we'd have a shot at her coming here.

You literally get everything I'm saying. I do want out academics to remain competitive and high ranking, and in turn for our degrees to continue to increase in value.

I also want a much improved athletics- and don't give me the "we're good at basketball now" stuff. I want football to dominate like it always did; baseball to return to dominating, and if basketball and all he others want to join then get them there too.

Out next President should absolutely be focused on both.

Dominate in everything.

Yes, because that's their role.

That was my point in starting this thread. This is not what the Search committee is really focusing on it seems.

 

[NVA CANE]

Just because the OP would like for them to factor in the athletic program (Football specifically) does not in any way mean he wants us to hire a president that doesn't care about academics. Why shouldn't how a future president would handle the athletic program a topic of discussion? it should be. It doesn't have to be a main criteria in hiring a president. But that doesn't mean they should just ignore it, because it isn't as important as academics, which obviously it isn't.
And Shalala has been very supportive of the athletic programs. She goes to many athletic events. But she doesn't hold us to the high standard in sports like she does academics. She has approved bad hires in football.
It's not cray to want a president that holds us to the academic standards that Shalala has, but also hold our Sports (Mainly Football) to the same standard. That's what I want. That's why Condoleza Rice is the perfect president candidate, although I doubt we'd have a shot at her coming here.

You literally get everything I'm saying. I do want out academics to remain competitive and high ranking, and in turn for our degrees to continue to increase in value.

I also want a much improved athletics- and don't give me the "we're good at basketball now" stuff. I want football to dominate like it always did; baseball to return to dominating, and if basketball and all he others want to join then get them there too.

Out next President should absolutely be focused on both.

Dominate in everything.

Yes, because that's their role.

That was my point in starting this thread. This is not what the Search committee is really focusing on it seems.

We need a president that understands you can have great athletics and great academics simultaneously. The president can then focus on improving the academic side and hire an AD that takes care of the athletic side. No reason a school cannot have both. Other schools have figured that out, I see no reason why the University of Miami can not.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Just because the OP would like for them to factor in the athletic program (Football specifically) does not in any way mean he wants us to hire a president that doesn't care about academics. Why shouldn't how a future president would handle the athletic program a topic of discussion? it should be. It doesn't have to be a main criteria in hiring a president. But that doesn't mean they should just ignore it, because it isn't as important as academics, which obviously it isn't.
And Shalala has been very supportive of the athletic programs. She goes to many athletic events. But she doesn't hold us to the high standard in sports like she does academics. She has approved bad hires in football.
It's not cray to want a president that holds us to the academic standards that Shalala has, but also hold our Sports (Mainly Football) to the same standard. That's what I want. That's why Condoleza Rice is the perfect president candidate, although I doubt we'd have a shot at her coming here.

You literally get everything I'm saying. I do want out academics to remain competitive and high ranking, and in turn for our degrees to continue to increase in value.

I also want a much improved athletics- and don't give me the "we're good at basketball now" stuff. I want football to dominate like it always did; baseball to return to dominating, and if basketball and all he others want to join then get them there too.

Out next President should absolutely be focused on both.

Dominate in everything.

Yes, because that's their role.

That was my point in starting this thread. This is not what the Search committee is really focusing on it seems.

Sorry, but that's not what presidential search committees sat any decent university focus on.

You guys want us to act like an SEC school...and we're not going to.

****, even UF, as an SEC school, didn't demand that its new president have a major focus on athletics.

That's just not how good search committees at major Universities work.

 

[wherrera8]

Just because the OP would like for them to factor in the athletic program (Football specifically) does not in any way mean he wants us to hire a president that doesn't care about academics. Why shouldn't how a future president would handle the athletic program a topic of discussion? it should be. It doesn't have to be a main criteria in hiring a president. But that doesn't mean they should just ignore it, because it isn't as important as academics, which obviously it isn't.
And Shalala has been very supportive of the athletic programs. She goes to many athletic events. But she doesn't hold us to the high standard in sports like she does academics. She has approved bad hires in football.
It's not cray to want a president that holds us to the academic standards that Shalala has, but also hold our Sports (Mainly Football) to the same standard. That's what I want. That's why Condoleza Rice is the perfect president candidate, although I doubt we'd have a shot at her coming here.

You literally get everything I'm saying. I do want out academics to remain competitive and high ranking, and in turn for our degrees to continue to increase in value.

I also want a much improved athletics- and don't give me the "we're good at basketball now" stuff. I want football to dominate like it always did; baseball to return to dominating, and if basketball and all he others want to join then get them there too.

Out next President should absolutely be focused on both.

Dominate in everything.

Yes, because that's their role.

That was my point in starting this thread. This is not what the Search committee is really focusing on it seems.

Sorry, but that's not what presidential search committees sat any decent university focus on.

You guys want us to act like an SEC school...and we're not going to.

****, even UF, as an SEC school, didn't demand that its new president have a ,major focus on athletics.

That's just not how good Universities work.

UF's Athletics, OVERALL, are excellent. I believe an article came out this week that said they have the number 1 overall athletic program. They don't need any more focus on athletics. UF's administration doesn't stick with a bad coach- they get rid of them and fix the problems that arise. Their basketball team is always good. Their baseball team is always good. Football may be down, but they are doing what they have to do to improve it. Apples to oranges in comparing us with UF. If anything, they could improve in academic rankings more than athletics.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

You literally get everything I'm saying. I do want out academics to remain competitive and high ranking, and in turn for our degrees to continue to increase in value.

I also want a much improved athletics- and don't give me the "we're good at basketball now" stuff. I want football to dominate like it always did; baseball to return to dominating, and if basketball and all he others want to join then get them there too.

Out next President should absolutely be focused on both.

Dominate in everything.

Yes, because that's their role.

That was my point in starting this thread. This is not what the Search committee is really focusing on it seems.

Sorry, but that's not what presidential search committees sat any decent university focus on.

You guys want us to act like an SEC school...and we're not going to.

****, even UF, as an SEC school, didn't demand that its new president have a ,major focus on athletics.

That's just not how good Universities work.

UF's Athletics, OVERALL, are excellent. I believe an article came out this week that said they have the number 1 overall athletic program. They don't need any more focus on athletics. UF's administration doesn't stick with a bad coach- they get rid of them and fix the problems that arise. Their basketball team is always good. Their baseball team is always good. Football may be down, but they are doing what they have to do to improve it. Apples to oranges in comparing us with UF. If anything, they could improve in academic rankings more than athletics.

And again, you've missed the point.

THEIR PRESIDENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR ATHLETIC SUCCESS.

****, Foley has been AD at UF through 3 presidents, going on his 4th.

I can guarantee you that the UF presidential search committee didn't base their choices for candidates on how much emphasis they put on athletics.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Yes, because that's their role.

That was my point in starting this thread. This is not what the Search committee is really focusing on it seems.

Sorry, but that's not what presidential search committees sat any decent university focus on.

You guys want us to act like an SEC school...and we're not going to.

****, even UF, as an SEC school, didn't demand that its new president have a ,major focus on athletics.

That's just not how good Universities work.

UF's Athletics, OVERALL, are excellent. I believe an article came out this week that said they have the number 1 overall athletic program. They don't need any more focus on athletics. UF's administration doesn't stick with a bad coach- they get rid of them and fix the problems that arise. Their basketball team is always good. Their baseball team is always good. Football may be down, but they are doing what they have to do to improve it. Apples to oranges in comparing us with UF. If anything, they could improve in academic rankings more than athletics.

And again, you've missed the point.

THEIR PRESIDENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR SUCCESS.

****, Foley has been AD at UF through 3 presidents, going on his 4th.

Au contrair mon friar tuck.

Foley has been AD through 3 presidents because he is willing to fire the sap sorry *** corches as soon as they show their sap sorry *** side.

Trust that if those corches hadn't been fired. Foley would have.

 

[wherrera8]

Yes, because that's their role.

That was my point in starting this thread. This is not what the Search committee is really focusing on it seems.

Sorry, but that's not what presidential search committees sat any decent university focus on.

You guys want us to act like an SEC school...and we're not going to.

****, even UF, as an SEC school, didn't demand that its new president have a ,major focus on athletics.

That's just not how good Universities work.

UF's Athletics, OVERALL, are excellent. I believe an article came out this week that said they have the number 1 overall athletic program. They don't need any more focus on athletics. UF's administration doesn't stick with a bad coach- they get rid of them and fix the problems that arise. Their basketball team is always good. Their baseball team is always good. Football may be down, but they are doing what they have to do to improve it. Apples to oranges in comparing us with UF. If anything, they could improve in academic rankings more than athletics.

And again, you've missed the point.

THEIR PRESIDENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR SUCCESS.

****, Foley has been AD at UF through 3 presidents, going on his 4th.

That's because Foley is allowed to do his job. He is allowed to run the athletics program. Outside of Paul Dee, God Bless him, all of our AD's have been puppets or figure heads. Someone mentioned earlier that we need a President who focuses on academics themselves , and who has an athletic focus and will hire a top notch AD who only cares about winning to run the program. Not one who only cares about academics and hires an AD who they control like we currently have.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

That was my point in starting this thread. This is not what the Search committee is really focusing on it seems.

Sorry, but that's not what presidential search committees sat any decent university focus on.

You guys want us to act like an SEC school...and we're not going to.

****, even UF, as an SEC school, didn't demand that its new president have a ,major focus on athletics.

That's just not how good Universities work.

UF's Athletics, OVERALL, are excellent. I believe an article came out this week that said they have the number 1 overall athletic program. They don't need any more focus on athletics. UF's administration doesn't stick with a bad coach- they get rid of them and fix the problems that arise. Their basketball team is always good. Their baseball team is always good. Football may be down, but they are doing what they have to do to improve it. Apples to oranges in comparing us with UF. If anything, they could improve in academic rankings more than athletics.

And again, you've missed the point.

THEIR PRESIDENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR SUCCESS.

****, Foley has been AD at UF through 3 presidents, going on his 4th.

Au contrair mon friar tuck.

Foley has been AD through 3 presidents because he is willing to fire the sap sorry *** corches as soon as they show their sap sorry *** side.

Trust that if those corches hadn't been fired. Foley would have.

And Foley also hired two of the worst coaches in D-1 football, between the Zooker and Muschamp.

With as much money and resources as UF has, they should never make a misstep like that, let alone two of them in the last three hires.

 

[Calinative]

So basically, Condolezza Rice would be the ideal president for us, even if she did go to ND. And should get the full court press like Shalala did.
How does a student go about recommending this to Shalala?...
Because although we used logic to get to that conclusion, I have no faith anyone else will.

 

[wherrera8]

Sorry, but that's not what presidential search committees sat any decent university focus on.

You guys want us to act like an SEC school...and we're not going to.

****, even UF, as an SEC school, didn't demand that its new president have a ,major focus on athletics.

That's just not how good Universities work.

UF's Athletics, OVERALL, are excellent. I believe an article came out this week that said they have the number 1 overall athletic program. They don't need any more focus on athletics. UF's administration doesn't stick with a bad coach- they get rid of them and fix the problems that arise. Their basketball team is always good. Their baseball team is always good. Football may be down, but they are doing what they have to do to improve it. Apples to oranges in comparing us with UF. If anything, they could improve in academic rankings more than athletics.

And again, you've missed the point.

THEIR PRESIDENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR SUCCESS.

****, Foley has been AD at UF through 3 presidents, going on his 4th.

Au contrair mon friar tuck.

Foley has been AD through 3 presidents because he is willing to fire the sap sorry *** corches as soon as they show their sap sorry *** side.

Trust that if those corches hadn't been fired. Foley would have.

And Foley also hired two of the worst coaches in D-1 football, between the Zooker and Muschamp.

With as much money and resources as UF has, they should never make a misstep like that, let alone two of them in the last three hires.

No one is perfect.

While he came up short with those two hires, he also has 4 rings to show for.

He brought in Meyer: 2 rings and a Heisman trophy.

Not only did he bring in Donovan, but he also kept him from leaving to the NBA to coach the Magic: 2 rings and a consistently top tier basketball program.

 

[wherrera8]

So basically, Condolezza Rice would be the ideal president for us, even if she did go to ND. And should get the full court press like Shalala did.
How does a student go about recommending this to Shalala?...
Because although we used logic to get to that conclusion, I have no faith anyone else will.

Want to meet up and plan this? Haha just kidding. The town hall was today. I couldn't stay long so I wasn't able to mention her name. I believe they will have a website launching to allow people to give their input. I don't know how much that will do though.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Sorry, but that's not what presidential search committees sat any decent university focus on.

You guys want us to act like an SEC school...and we're not going to.

****, even UF, as an SEC school, didn't demand that its new president have a ,major focus on athletics.

That's just not how good Universities work.

UF's Athletics, OVERALL, are excellent. I believe an article came out this week that said they have the number 1 overall athletic program. They don't need any more focus on athletics. UF's administration doesn't stick with a bad coach- they get rid of them and fix the problems that arise. Their basketball team is always good. Their baseball team is always good. Football may be down, but they are doing what they have to do to improve it. Apples to oranges in comparing us with UF. If anything, they could improve in academic rankings more than athletics.

And again, you've missed the point.

THEIR PRESIDENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR SUCCESS.

****, Foley has been AD at UF through 3 presidents, going on his 4th.

Au contrair mon friar tuck.

Foley has been AD through 3 presidents because he is willing to fire the sap sorry *** corches as soon as they show their sap sorry *** side.

Trust that if those corches hadn't been fired. Foley would have.

And Foley also hired two of the worst coaches in D-1 football, between the Zooker and Muschamp.

With as much money and resources as UF has, they should never make a misstep like that, let alone two of them in the last three hires.

Youz about as dumb as a dog could dumb.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

That was my point in starting this thread. This is not what the Search committee is really focusing on it seems.

Sorry, but that's not what presidential search committees sat any decent university focus on.

You guys want us to act like an SEC school...and we're not going to.

****, even UF, as an SEC school, didn't demand that its new president have a ,major focus on athletics.

That's just not how good Universities work.

UF's Athletics, OVERALL, are excellent. I believe an article came out this week that said they have the number 1 overall athletic program. They don't need any more focus on athletics. UF's administration doesn't stick with a bad coach- they get rid of them and fix the problems that arise. Their basketball team is always good. Their baseball team is always good. Football may be down, but they are doing what they have to do to improve it. Apples to oranges in comparing us with UF. If anything, they could improve in academic rankings more than athletics.

And again, you've missed the point.

THEIR PRESIDENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR SUCCESS.

****, Foley has been AD at UF through 3 presidents, going on his 4th.

That's because Foley is allowed to do his job. He is allowed to run the athletics program. Outside of Paul Dee, God Bless him, all of our AD's have been puppets or figure heads. Someone mentioned earlier that we need a President who focuses on academics themselves , and who has an athletic focus and will hire a top notch AD who only cares about winning to run the program. Not one who only cares about academics and hires an AD who they control like we currently have.

Look, man...what it boils down to is that Shalala--and all university presidents--are beholden to the BOT. If the BOT demands change, the president must change. Without the BOT wanting change, the president can't and won't make a move.

WRT Foley and UF, their athletic department is its own separate entity, run by its own board of directors. They choose the athletic director--the UF president just rubber stamps the hire. And Foley won't be let go until the Board of Directors decide its time for him to leave.

The situation is different at UM and at nearly every other university. The general University BOT is who oversees hirings and firings at that level, in conjunction with the president. So the president has only partial say in the matter. Shalala didn't hire a "yes man" by herself in a vacuum...the BOT and a search committee thought these dudes were the best candidates and Shalala agreed.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

UF's Athletics, OVERALL, are excellent. I believe an article came out this week that said they have the number 1 overall athletic program. They don't need any more focus on athletics. UF's administration doesn't stick with a bad coach- they get rid of them and fix the problems that arise. Their basketball team is always good. Their baseball team is always good. Football may be down, but they are doing what they have to do to improve it. Apples to oranges in comparing us with UF. If anything, they could improve in academic rankings more than athletics.

And again, you've missed the point.

THEIR PRESIDENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR SUCCESS.

****, Foley has been AD at UF through 3 presidents, going on his 4th.

Au contrair mon friar tuck.

Foley has been AD through 3 presidents because he is willing to fire the sap sorry *** corches as soon as they show their sap sorry *** side.

Trust that if those corches hadn't been fired. Foley would have.

And Foley also hired two of the worst coaches in D-1 football, between the Zooker and Muschamp.

With as much money and resources as UF has, they should never make a misstep like that, let alone two of them in the last three hires.

Youz about as dumb as a dog could dumb.

You're conversing with someone who doesn't know the role or responsibilities of the president of a university yet continues to comment.

 

[wherrera8]

Sorry, but that's not what presidential search committees sat any decent university focus on.

You guys want us to act like an SEC school...and we're not going to.

****, even UF, as an SEC school, didn't demand that its new president have a ,major focus on athletics.

That's just not how good Universities work.

UF's Athletics, OVERALL, are excellent. I believe an article came out this week that said they have the number 1 overall athletic program. They don't need any more focus on athletics. UF's administration doesn't stick with a bad coach- they get rid of them and fix the problems that arise. Their basketball team is always good. Their baseball team is always good. Football may be down, but they are doing what they have to do to improve it. Apples to oranges in comparing us with UF. If anything, they could improve in academic rankings more than athletics.

And again, you've missed the point.

THEIR PRESIDENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR SUCCESS.

****, Foley has been AD at UF through 3 presidents, going on his 4th.

That's because Foley is allowed to do his job. He is allowed to run the athletics program. Outside of Paul Dee, God Bless him, all of our AD's have been puppets or figure heads. Someone mentioned earlier that we need a President who focuses on academics themselves , and who has an athletic focus and will hire a top notch AD who only cares about winning to run the program. Not one who only cares about academics and hires an AD who they control like we currently have.

Look, man...what it boils down to is that Shalala--and all university presidents--are beholden to the BOT. If the BOT demands change, the president must change. Without the BOT wanting change, the president can't and won't make a move.

WRT Foley and UF, their athletic department is its own separate entity, run by its own board of directors. They choose the pathetical director--the UF president just rubber stamps the hire.

The situation is different at UM and at nearly every other university. the general University BOT is who oversees hirings and firings at that level, in conjunction with the president. So the president has only partial say in the matter. Shalala didn't hire a "yes man" by herself in a vacuum...the BOT and a search committee thought these dudes were the best candidates and Shalala agreed.

That's what I was trying to say. It's apples to oranges in comparing UF to us.

Now I get the BOT chooses and hires these people but don't sell the President short in being able to influence the decisions. I honestly think the decisions are made by the BOT but the President has the most say in choosing/ nominating candidates which the BOT then approves. After all, these people must align with and work with the president.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

UF's Athletics, OVERALL, are excellent. I believe an article came out this week that said they have the number 1 overall athletic program. They don't need any more focus on athletics. UF's administration doesn't stick with a bad coach- they get rid of them and fix the problems that arise. Their basketball team is always good. Their baseball team is always good. Football may be down, but they are doing what they have to do to improve it. Apples to oranges in comparing us with UF. If anything, they could improve in academic rankings more than athletics.

And again, you've missed the point.

THEIR PRESIDENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR SUCCESS.

****, Foley has been AD at UF through 3 presidents, going on his 4th.

That's because Foley is allowed to do his job. He is allowed to run the athletics program. Outside of Paul Dee, God Bless him, all of our AD's have been puppets or figure heads. Someone mentioned earlier that we need a President who focuses on academics themselves , and who has an athletic focus and will hire a top notch AD who only cares about winning to run the program. Not one who only cares about academics and hires an AD who they control like we currently have.

Look, man...what it boils down to is that Shalala--and all university presidents--are beholden to the BOT. If the BOT demands change, the president must change. Without the BOT wanting change, the president can't and won't make a move.

WRT Foley and UF, their athletic department is its own separate entity, run by its own board of directors. They choose the pathetical director--the UF president just rubber stamps the hire.

The situation is different at UM and at nearly every other university. the general University BOT is who oversees hirings and firings at that level, in conjunction with the president. So the president has only partial say in the matter. Shalala didn't hire a "yes man" by herself in a vacuum...the BOT and a search committee thought these dudes were the best candidates and Shalala agreed.

That's what I was trying to say. It's apples to oranges in comparing UF to us.

Now I get the BOT chooses and hires these people but don't sell the President short in being able to influence the decisions. I honestly think the decisions are made by the BOT but the President has the most say I'm choosing candidates which the BOT chooses. After all, these people must align with and work with the president.

It's apples to apples when we're talking about presidential searches. UF's presidential search criteria are the same as any other university...and the same as UM's is going to be.

Their presidential search committee didn't focus on athletics as a major criteria. Neither will UMs. Nor does any decent university's. .

 

[wherrera8]

And again, you've missed the point.

THEIR PRESIDENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR SUCCESS.

****, Foley has been AD at UF through 3 presidents, going on his 4th.

That's because Foley is allowed to do his job. He is allowed to run the athletics program. Outside of Paul Dee, God Bless him, all of our AD's have been puppets or figure heads. Someone mentioned earlier that we need a President who focuses on academics themselves , and who has an athletic focus and will hire a top notch AD who only cares about winning to run the program. Not one who only cares about academics and hires an AD who they control like we currently have.

Look, man...what it boils down to is that Shalala--and all university presidents--are beholden to the BOT. If the BOT demands change, the president must change. Without the BOT wanting change, the president can't and won't make a move.

WRT Foley and UF, their athletic department is its own separate entity, run by its own board of directors. They choose the pathetical director--the UF president just rubber stamps the hire.

The situation is different at UM and at nearly every other university. the general University BOT is who oversees hirings and firings at that level, in conjunction with the president. So the president has only partial say in the matter. Shalala didn't hire a "yes man" by herself in a vacuum...the BOT and a search committee thought these dudes were the best candidates and Shalala agreed.

That's what I was trying to say. It's apples to oranges in comparing UF to us.

Now I get the BOT chooses and hires these people but don't sell the President short in being able to influence the decisions. I honestly think the decisions are made by the BOT but the President has the most say I'm choosing candidates which the BOT chooses. After all, these people must align with and work with the president.

I used UF initially because their presidential search criteria are the same as any other university...and the same as UM's is going to be.

Their presidential search committee didn't focus on athletics as a major criteria. Neither will UMs. Nor does any decent university's. .

Actually, because UF is public, it has a lot of influence from politicians, unlike ours. Our search committee makes the decision with little influence from outsiders or politicians.

UF didn't focus on athletics because it's not as big of a need. Foley runs that program and no president is going to go in there and change that, especially with Foley's success there. On the other hand, our athletic program is a joke with all the turnover in that department. It's a much bigger issue for us and does need to be brought up in these discussions.