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[Cane Dynasty]

And again, you've missed the point.

THEIR PRESIDENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR SUCCESS.

****, Foley has been AD at UF through 3 presidents, going on his 4th.

That's because Foley is allowed to do his job. He is allowed to run the athletics program. Outside of Paul Dee, God Bless him, all of our AD's have been puppets or figure heads. Someone mentioned earlier that we need a President who focuses on academics themselves , and who has an athletic focus and will hire a top notch AD who only cares about winning to run the program. Not one who only cares about academics and hires an AD who they control like we currently have.

Look, man...what it boils down to is that Shalala--and all university presidents--are beholden to the BOT. If the BOT demands change, the president must change. Without the BOT wanting change, the president can't and won't make a move.

WRT Foley and UF, their athletic department is its own separate entity, run by its own board of directors. They choose the pathetical director--the UF president just rubber stamps the hire.

The situation is different at UM and at nearly every other university. the general University BOT is who oversees hirings and firings at that level, in conjunction with the president. So the president has only partial say in the matter. Shalala didn't hire a "yes man" by herself in a vacuum...the BOT and a search committee thought these dudes were the best candidates and Shalala agreed.

That's what I was trying to say. It's apples to oranges in comparing UF to us.

Now I get the BOT chooses and hires these people but don't sell the President short in being able to influence the decisions. I honestly think the decisions are made by the BOT but the President has the most say I'm choosing candidates which the BOT chooses. After all, these people must align with and work with the president.

It's apples to apples when we're talking about presidential searches. UF's presidential search criteria are the same as any other university...and the same as UM's is going to be.

Their presidential search committee didn't focus on athletics as a major criteria. Neither will UMs. Nor does any decent university's. .

Prove it.


Because everything they actually DO. Says otherwise.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

That's because Foley is allowed to do his job. He is allowed to run the athletics program. Outside of Paul Dee, God Bless him, all of our AD's have been puppets or figure heads. Someone mentioned earlier that we need a President who focuses on academics themselves , and who has an athletic focus and will hire a top notch AD who only cares about winning to run the program. Not one who only cares about academics and hires an AD who they control like we currently have.

Look, man...what it boils down to is that Shalala--and all university presidents--are beholden to the BOT. If the BOT demands change, the president must change. Without the BOT wanting change, the president can't and won't make a move.

WRT Foley and UF, their athletic department is its own separate entity, run by its own board of directors. They choose the pathetical director--the UF president just rubber stamps the hire.

The situation is different at UM and at nearly every other university. the general University BOT is who oversees hirings and firings at that level, in conjunction with the president. So the president has only partial say in the matter. Shalala didn't hire a "yes man" by herself in a vacuum...the BOT and a search committee thought these dudes were the best candidates and Shalala agreed.

That's what I was trying to say. It's apples to oranges in comparing UF to us.

Now I get the BOT chooses and hires these people but don't sell the President short in being able to influence the decisions. I honestly think the decisions are made by the BOT but the President has the most say I'm choosing candidates which the BOT chooses. After all, these people must align with and work with the president.

I used UF initially because their presidential search criteria are the same as any other university...and the same as UM's is going to be.

Their presidential search committee didn't focus on athletics as a major criteria. Neither will UMs. Nor does any decent university's. .

Actually, because UF is public, it has a lot of influence from politicians, unlike ours. Our search committee makes the decision with little influence from outsiders or politicians.

UF didn't focus on athletics because it's not as big of a need. Foley runs that program and no president is going to go in there and change that, especially with Foley's success there. On the other hand, our athletic program is a joke with all the turnover in that department. It's a much bigger issue for us and does need to be brought up in these discussions.

Did you follow the searches at UF and FSU recently?

FSU's BOT let politics get in the way and hired a legislator. They also hired a legislator (TK Wetherall) in one of their previous hires. The TK Whetherall hire was a particularly bad decision and led to FSU sinking in academic rankings and losing out on some major state funding. Most people outside of FSU's BOT feel that the current hire will result ion much the same way--the hire itself already garnered a lot of negative headlines and has already made FSU a bit of a mockery.

UF's BOT has steered clear of politics over the last several hires and has taken the traditional academic approach. Their latest hire is a good one, and is well-respected in academia and as a fundraiser.

Neither of those hires was based even remotely on athletics. They were based on criteria I already expressed in my initial post on the subjec--academic vision, fundraising abilities (in the case of the two FSU hires, this manifested in hope that former legislators would be able to sway current legislators to allocate more state money to FSU), and the ability to work across faculty and administrative lines.

You're fooling yourself if you think that presidential searches at major universities focus on athletics in any way.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

That's because Foley is allowed to do his job. He is allowed to run the athletics program. Outside of Paul Dee, God Bless him, all of our AD's have been puppets or figure heads. Someone mentioned earlier that we need a President who focuses on academics themselves , and who has an athletic focus and will hire a top notch AD who only cares about winning to run the program. Not one who only cares about academics and hires an AD who they control like we currently have.

Look, man...what it boils down to is that Shalala--and all university presidents--are beholden to the BOT. If the BOT demands change, the president must change. Without the BOT wanting change, the president can't and won't make a move.

WRT Foley and UF, their athletic department is its own separate entity, run by its own board of directors. They choose the pathetical director--the UF president just rubber stamps the hire.

The situation is different at UM and at nearly every other university. the general University BOT is who oversees hirings and firings at that level, in conjunction with the president. So the president has only partial say in the matter. Shalala didn't hire a "yes man" by herself in a vacuum...the BOT and a search committee thought these dudes were the best candidates and Shalala agreed.

That's what I was trying to say. It's apples to oranges in comparing UF to us.

Now I get the BOT chooses and hires these people but don't sell the President short in being able to influence the decisions. I honestly think the decisions are made by the BOT but the President has the most say I'm choosing candidates which the BOT chooses. After all, these people must align with and work with the president.

It's apples to apples when we're talking about presidential searches. UF's presidential search criteria are the same as any other university...and the same as UM's is going to be.

Their presidential search committee didn't focus on athletics as a major criteria. Neither will UMs. Nor does any decent university's. .

Prove it.


Because everything they actually DO. Says otherwise.

DO you even know who the new president at UF is? Let me know how much of a focus he put on sports while he was at Cornell, Purdue, and Illinois.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Look, man...what it boils down to is that Shalala--and all university presidents--are beholden to the BOT. If the BOT demands change, the president must change. Without the BOT wanting change, the president can't and won't make a move.

WRT Foley and UF, their athletic department is its own separate entity, run by its own board of directors. They choose the pathetical director--the UF president just rubber stamps the hire.

The situation is different at UM and at nearly every other university. the general University BOT is who oversees hirings and firings at that level, in conjunction with the president. So the president has only partial say in the matter. Shalala didn't hire a "yes man" by herself in a vacuum...the BOT and a search committee thought these dudes were the best candidates and Shalala agreed.

That's what I was trying to say. It's apples to oranges in comparing UF to us.

Now I get the BOT chooses and hires these people but don't sell the President short in being able to influence the decisions. I honestly think the decisions are made by the BOT but the President has the most say I'm choosing candidates which the BOT chooses. After all, these people must align with and work with the president.

It's apples to apples when we're talking about presidential searches. UF's presidential search criteria are the same as any other university...and the same as UM's is going to be.

Their presidential search committee didn't focus on athletics as a major criteria. Neither will UMs. Nor does any decent university's. .

Prove it.


Because everything they actually DO. Says otherwise.

DO you even know who the new president at UF is? Let me know how much of a focus he put on sports while he was at Cornell, Purdue, and Illinois.

Are ya slow son?

He wont even look at the sports programs until the football team underachieves and there are no changes. Did you even see the move they made this week? Their team is in the same position as ours but they pulled the trigger.

If they hadn't pulled the trigger you would see the president getting involved.

They were brilliant in hiring their AD. He don't play games.

I could give you an Awsi Booger type story about UF, but it makes me sick to my stomach that what happened to me actually came true.

 

[callmetrip]

Been saying it for two years. Condi, nothing else matters.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

That's what I was trying to say. It's apples to oranges in comparing UF to us.

Now I get the BOT chooses and hires these people but don't sell the President short in being able to influence the decisions. I honestly think the decisions are made by the BOT but the President has the most say I'm choosing candidates which the BOT chooses. After all, these people must align with and work with the president.

It's apples to apples when we're talking about presidential searches. UF's presidential search criteria are the same as any other university...and the same as UM's is going to be.

Their presidential search committee didn't focus on athletics as a major criteria. Neither will UMs. Nor does any decent university's. .

Prove it.


Because everything they actually DO. Says otherwise.

DO you even know who the new president at UF is? Let me know how much of a focus he put on sports while he was at Cornell, Purdue, and Illinois.

Are ya slow son?

He wont even look at the sports programs until the football team underachieves and there are no changes. Did you even see the move they made this week? Their team is in the same position as ours but they pulled the trigger.

If they hadn't pulled the trigger you would see the president getting involved.

They were brilliant in hiring their AD. He don't play games.

I could give you an Awsi Booger type story about UF, but it makes me sick to my stomach that what happened to me actually came true.

You seem a bit slow on the uptake yourself.

I'm asking you what leads you to believe that UF's presidential search committee has based its hires in any way on athletics. What criteria do you think they set forth? What questions did they ask?

 

[Cane Dynasty]

It's apples to apples when we're talking about presidential searches. UF's presidential search criteria are the same as any other university...and the same as UM's is going to be.

Their presidential search committee didn't focus on athletics as a major criteria. Neither will UMs. Nor does any decent university's. .

Prove it.


Because everything they actually DO. Says otherwise.

DO you even know who the new president at UF is? Let me know how much of a focus he put on sports while he was at Cornell, Purdue, and Illinois.

Are ya slow son?

He wont even look at the sports programs until the football team underachieves and there are no changes. Did you even see the move they made this week? Their team is in the same position as ours but they pulled the trigger.

If they hadn't pulled the trigger you would see the president getting involved.

They were brilliant in hiring their AD. He don't play games.

I could give you an Awsi Booger type story about UF, but it makes me sick to my stomach that what happened to me actually came true.

You seem a bit slow on the uptake yourself.

I'm asking you what leads you to believe that UF's presidential search committee has based its hires in any way on athletics. What criteria do you think they set forth? What questions did they ask?

I know their BOT wrote a goal in 1997'ish to be the first team to win NC's in football and bball in the same year. They ended up making it happen.

I know for a fact they don't need to ask their candidates about their commitment to athletics because they don't interview anyone that doesn't already have that.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Let's put this another way...let's use only private schools as examples here.

LLet's look at Stanford, in fact.

They've had the same president since 2000. They've been through three or four coaches in his tenure. The last two have been good (Harbaugh and Shaw)...so does that mean that Stanford's prez all of a sudden started putting a focus on football when he hired Harbaugh and that he had been holding back the football team before that?

What about ND? Their current president has been their since 2005...the same year the Charlie Weiss was hired, So was that president trying to kill the football program by hiring Weiss? Or does he get credit for saving it with the Kelly hire?

Point being, again, that presidents have little to no impact on on-the-field success.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Prove it.


Because everything they actually DO. Says otherwise.

DO you even know who the new president at UF is? Let me know how much of a focus he put on sports while he was at Cornell, Purdue, and Illinois.

Are ya slow son?

He wont even look at the sports programs until the football team underachieves and there are no changes. Did you even see the move they made this week? Their team is in the same position as ours but they pulled the trigger.

If they hadn't pulled the trigger you would see the president getting involved.

They were brilliant in hiring their AD. He don't play games.

I could give you an Awsi Booger type story about UF, but it makes me sick to my stomach that what happened to me actually came true.

You seem a bit slow on the uptake yourself.

I'm asking you what leads you to believe that UF's presidential search committee has based its hires in any way on athletics. What criteria do you think they set forth? What questions did they ask?

I know their BOT wrote a goal in 1997'ish to be the first team to win NC's in football and bball in the same year. They ended up making it happen.

I know for a fact they don't need to ask their candidates about their commitment to athletics because they don't interview anyone that doesn't already have that.

And what in their current preidntial hire's background illustrates his commitment to athletics? How has Cornell's program been the last few years?

 

[Cane Dynasty]

DO you even know who the new president at UF is? Let me know how much of a focus he put on sports while he was at Cornell, Purdue, and Illinois.

Are ya slow son?

He wont even look at the sports programs until the football team underachieves and there are no changes. Did you even see the move they made this week? Their team is in the same position as ours but they pulled the trigger.

If they hadn't pulled the trigger you would see the president getting involved.

They were brilliant in hiring their AD. He don't play games.

I could give you an Awsi Booger type story about UF, but it makes me sick to my stomach that what happened to me actually came true.

You seem a bit slow on the uptake yourself.

I'm asking you what leads you to believe that UF's presidential search committee has based its hires in any way on athletics. What criteria do you think they set forth? What questions did they ask?

I know their BOT wrote a goal in 1997'ish to be the first team to win NC's in football and bball in the same year. They ended up making it happen.

I know for a fact they don't need to ask their candidates about their commitment to athletics because they don't interview anyone that doesn't already have that.

And what in their current preidntial hire's background illustrates his commitment to athletics? How has Cornell's program been the last few years?

Cornell? WTF are you blathering on about?

 

[wherrera8]

DO you even know who the new president at UF is? Let me know how much of a focus he put on sports while he was at Cornell, Purdue, and Illinois.

Are ya slow son?

He wont even look at the sports programs until the football team underachieves and there are no changes. Did you even see the move they made this week? Their team is in the same position as ours but they pulled the trigger.

If they hadn't pulled the trigger you would see the president getting involved.

They were brilliant in hiring their AD. He don't play games.

I could give you an Awsi Booger type story about UF, but it makes me sick to my stomach that what happened to me actually came true.

You seem a bit slow on the uptake yourself.

I'm asking you what leads you to believe that UF's presidential search committee has based its hires in any way on athletics. What criteria do you think they set forth? What questions did they ask?

I know their BOT wrote a goal in 1997'ish to be the first team to win NC's in football and bball in the same year. They ended up making it happen.

I know for a fact they don't need to ask their candidates about their commitment to athletics because they don't interview anyone that doesn't already have that.

And what in their current preidntial hire's background illustrates his commitment to athletics? How has Cornell's program been the last few years?

Cornell is actually a good basketball school and made a deep run in the tournament a few years back.

 

[capefearcane]

Quick question, Wherrera...

UF just went through the search process for a new prez. They hired the current provost at Cornell; he'd also held admin positions at Purdue and the U of Illinois. All of these are pretty great academic institutions with moderate to nonexistent football/athletic programs. It's roundly considered an exceptional hire, especially in comparison to FSU's recent hiring of John Thrasher as their next prez.

Do you really think that their hiring committee discussed the candidate's devotion to and vision for athletics in detail?

No not at all. Which is what I guess frustrates us.

What do you mean by Condoleza Rice? Is she a candidate?[/QUOTE]


I wish she was a candidate. Black, female, conservative...... doesn't get any better than that.

And coincidentally happens to be a big football fan and follower with great academic credentials such as Stanford

 

[Ibis Wingz]

Are ya slow son?

He wont even look at the sports programs until the football team underachieves and there are no changes. Did you even see the move they made this week? Their team is in the same position as ours but they pulled the trigger.

If they hadn't pulled the trigger you would see the president getting involved.

They were brilliant in hiring their AD. He don't play games.

I could give you an Awsi Booger type story about UF, but it makes me sick to my stomach that what happened to me actually came true.

You seem a bit slow on the uptake yourself.

I'm asking you what leads you to believe that UF's presidential search committee has based its hires in any way on athletics. What criteria do you think they set forth? What questions did they ask?

I know their BOT wrote a goal in 1997'ish to be the first team to win NC's in football and bball in the same year. They ended up making it happen.

I know for a fact they don't need to ask their candidates about their commitment to athletics because they don't interview anyone that doesn't already have that.

And what in their current preidntial hire's background illustrates his commitment to athletics? How has Cornell's program been the last few years?

Cornell is actually a good basketball school and made a deep run in the tournament a few years back.

Cornell is a lacrosse school.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

Did ****InHeels ever figure out what the president of a university does? LMFAO that one coming into a major athletic/football school would/should have just a passing interest in the Athletic Department.

C'mon ****InHeels, expound on your infinite wisdom. Please grace us with your truly great intellect.

 

[wherrera8]

You seem a bit slow on the uptake yourself.

I'm asking you what leads you to believe that UF's presidential search committee has based its hires in any way on athletics. What criteria do you think they set forth? What questions did they ask?

I know their BOT wrote a goal in 1997'ish to be the first team to win NC's in football and bball in the same year. They ended up making it happen.

I know for a fact they don't need to ask their candidates about their commitment to athletics because they don't interview anyone that doesn't already have that.

And what in their current preidntial hire's background illustrates his commitment to athletics? How has Cornell's program been the last few years?

Cornell is actually a good basketball school and made a deep run in the tournament a few years back.

Cornell is a lacrosse school.

You're probably right. I don't follow them. He just asked how their athletics have been and I mentioned their success in basketball.

 

[puertorricane]

Isnt athletics the job of the athletic director. Doubt many university presidents know much about sports. A good president will hire a good AD and give him the resources to succeed. The only thing university presidents care is how much money sports are bringing in and how they can bring in more.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Isnt athletics the job of the athletic director. Doubt many university presidents know much about sports. A good president will hire a good AD and give him the resources to succeed. The only thing university presidents care is how much money sports are bringing in and how they can bring in more.

bwahahahahaha

 

[UMFarArcher]

BOT has this backwards.

They need to fire Golden, hire Butch, and THEN they can take all the time they want, brooding over the next Pinko to professionally milk the alumni.