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Bill Belichick is a worse coach than Dave Wannstedt

DMoney said:
Wannstedt coached the Bears and the Jay Fiedler Dolphins. He never had a QB.

Belichick inherited Bernie Kosar and Drew Bledsoe. He botched Kosar and lost with Bledsoe. This is because he's a bad coach without Brady.
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Please. Just. Stop. This is a terrible take and its egregious af.

Bill is the best football coach to step on the field. What did Brady do without Bill?

Not start at Michigan nor win anything of note in high school or college? Go undrafted until Bill decided to pick him?

Man went to a loaded Bucs team when he left Bill. Let him would've stayed with the Pats and Bill went to the Bucs. Bill would habe his 9th ring. Gtfoh bruh.


You cant name a single HOF coach, take away his QB and they still be HOF. Terrible and trash take.

Stick to Miami football, sir. Anyone who doesnt understand what Bill has done for the game of football shouldn't be allowed to speak on anything football but ill give you this one time. Please refrain from Belicheck football slander.
 
I think Bill took the UNC job because of ego. Too many people kept saying "Bill is a terrible coach outside of #12 & the Patriot Way is bull****, he was carried by Brady" and he couldn't take it. Instead of riding off into the sunset on Sanibel Island, he had to prove everyone wrong. Unfortunately, this UNC tenure is just making the fraud claims even more valid.
 
Juanka said:
They were literally accused of recording the Rams’ walkthrough before the Super Bowl, were fined $500K, and lost draft capital. Evidence was destroyed afterward, so we’ll never know the full extent of what they had.

Then came Deflategate. 11 of 12 Patriots footballs were found to be underinflated, which can make the ball easier to grip in bad weather. Brady was suspended four games, the Patriots were fined and lost draft capital, and Brady destroyed his phone after investigators requested access to it.

You can dismiss all of that as one big nothing if you want. I don’t care. The point still stands: two major cheating scandals happened during that dynasty, and Belichick has exactly one playoff win as a head coach without Brady.
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I thought spygate was Philly. Partially deflated footballs don’t win superbowls
 
Canezum5 said:
You cant name a single HOF coach, take away his QB and they still be HOF. Terrible and trash take.
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Shula went to Super Bowls with:

Earl Morrall
Bob Griese
David Woodley
Dan Marino

Lost Griese for 10 games in 1972 and still went undefeated.

Belichick went to Super Bowls with:

Tom Brady.

Sorry, your bolded claim holds as much water as a sieve.
 
DMoney said:
Without Tom Brady. The sample size is enormous and the evidence is indisputable. There is no argument anymore.

Bill Belichick as NFL head coach: 83-101 (without Brady)
Dave Wannstedt as NFL head coach: 82-87

Bill Belichick as college head coach: 6-9
Dave Wannstedt as college head coach: 42-31

Bill Belichick championships as a defensive coordinator: 2 (New York)
Dave Wannstedt championships as a defensive coordinator: 2 (Miami and Dallas)

The only advantage Bill Belichick has is in cheating scandals, *** scandals and serial killer scandals. There is no other argument based on all the objective evidence.
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Why does this matter today ??
 
RF-4CCane said:
Shula went to Super Bowls with:

Earl Morrall
Bob Griese
David Woodley
Dan Marino

Lost Griese for 10 games in 1972 and still went undefeated.

Belichick went to Super Bowls with:

Tom Brady.

Sorry, your bolded claim holds as much water as a sieve.
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Joe Gibbs won a SB with Theismann, Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien as his Qbs.

Bill Parcells won a SB with Phil Simms and Jeff Hostetler. So 2 SBs with Giants, then Took Pats to SB (the 3yrs prior to him getting there Pats won 9 games combined, and 1 win the year before he took over), Took Jets to AFC Champ Game (the 2 yrs before Parcells they won a combined 4 games, including 1 win the year before he took over just like with Pats).

Andy Reid idk if he quite had a HOF career in Philly, as they never got over the hump with McNabb - Though he still made it to the SB there.. But he has 3 with Mahomes.

Tom Landry made 5 SBs. Made it to SB in 1970 with Craig Morton Then 1971 won the SB with Staubach. Went on to win SB again in 77 then lose it in 78 with Staubach still. Remove Staubach, idk if he is the HOFer though. Though he was doing quite well with Morton....

**** Vermeil made 2 SBs with Jaworski and Kurt Warner. Had he never took his 15yr sabbatical, his resume would likely be significantly more impressive than it already is. Built a **** Eagles and Rams franchis to SB contender and winner.

Future: McVay and Shanahan? ....

Also the problem is for both QB and HC, the 2 SB mark is usually the HOF mark. So you don't have 2 you don't get in usually, which typically ties the two together.... Except of course if the NFL hates you cause you're the Raiders who has Flores and Plunkett with 2 SBs.... Smh
 
Canezum5 said:
Please. Just. Stop. This is a terrible take and its egregious af.

Bill is the best football coach to step on the field. What did Brady do without Bill?

Not start at Michigan nor win anything of note in high school or college? Go undrafted until Bill decided to pick him?

Man went to a loaded Bucs team when he left Bill. Let him would've stayed with the Pats and Bill went to the Bucs. Bill would habe his 9th ring. Gtfoh bruh.


You cant name a single HOF coach, take away his QB and they still be HOF. Terrible and trash take.

Stick to Miami football, sir. Anyone who doesnt understand what Bill has done for the game of football shouldn't be allowed to speak on anything football but ill give you this one time. Please refrain from Belicheck football slander.
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Again Bill didn’t draft him Scott Pioli did, the GM did.
 
DMoney said:
The numbers speak for themselves. It’s amazing the sample size is so big- most coaches with that kind of record never get another opportunity.
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Issue from my perspective is with his record as a GM rather than a Head Coach.

Guy is the greatest pro coach of all time.

Can’t recite draft classes past Chad Jackson and then Laurence Maroney’s in 06 off the top but it’s been evidently clear over time he didn’t have a check in personnel decisions and surrounded himself with yes men (at least to this kid who was coming into his own watching it).

Tom further poisoned the water (much later and down the line than aforementioned issues) by alienating everyone who wasn’t going to subscribe to his dogma and vanity; regardless of Bill’s intent of a future, franchise or a roster. That is very well documented.

Guys don’t get that opportunity because they didn’t preface said “opportunity” without a demonstration of success, beforehand.

I’m all for piling on when a guy opens himself up to it, and runs a riddled ship, WHICH HE HAS, but to try to detract from prior accomplishments without factoring the whole body is just stuffing hate, D.

For what it’s worth, a black sheep Packers fan. As always, sorry for the diatribe.
 
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