Big Time Quote From Banda

[canesbaby]

What I'm getting from Banda's quote is that unlike previous head coaches at Miami, Diaz will not be passive with recruiting out of state talent while aggressively recruiting south FLA. He will be more aggressive on a national level. Which is what I would expect out of great coach. Tired of seeing us going hard after some 552nd ranked player in the country from Mia and not even offering any of the top 20 just because their from out of state. Diaz is a coach that thinks outside of the box, which is evident in the way he hit the portal. It's crazy to think that he would have tunnel vision in recruiting. It's not about ignoring south FLA, it's about not ignoring everywhere else while focusing only on South FLA. Get the best player no matter where he was raised..

Agreed. You've seen it already. He must have given out 50 offers to out of state kids over the past 2 weeks. And those are only the ones we hear about.

 

[User-4525]

Loo yup. If that were true, it would be an NCAA rule violation, moreover. It’s not only false, it’s stupid. You cannot contact a kid who plays for another school until he hits the portal.

Remember Stefan made a post about a transfer that would be announced for Miami in December and quickly deleted it because he was contacted by the powers that be. That played was Bolden. At the time, Miami believed we were getting both Bolden and Stevenson.

 

[Ethnicsands]

If the only point here is don’t fawn over kids who will take bags, then it’s easy to agree, assuming you can know. But that isn’t an argument for natonal vs. local. Because there are plenty of local kids who we can and should recruit who aren’t going to UGA.

If the argument is basically some folks are soured on local kids generally, as in emotional, butthurt, whatever, then that’s a faceplant.

If the argument is some naive form of find the best kids anywhere, then you’re still stuck with two issues. First, take the RB Crowley. We found him early. He blew up. We looked bad. He took a better offer. You can’t expect non-local kids to have undying loyalty to UM. So that again comes down to we need to evalaute well (looks like we did there), and win enough to not chase kids away. Haselwood would be here too if we didn’t look so awful on field. National recruiting is not a solution for sucking. Sure there are a few kids who really want to be Canes. DJ Johnson was one. Turns out, Miami is far from home and if that desire isn’t rooted in anything serious, then it may not be somehting to build a recruiting strategy around.

Second, national recruiting takes a LOT of resources. You have to screen more kids. You have less info on them and less access to the people who know them than you would for most local kids. Then you have to recruit them, visit them, go to games, get them to campus. Good luck on UM’s budget doing that all over the place and still minding the back yard. Alabama has WAY more resources devoted to recruiting than Miami does. None of these discussions ever include a realization of resource limitations or the consequences of spreading too then.

Y’all talk about Ed Reed, but Coker recruited nationally. He got Rhyan Anderson, Reggie Youngblood, James Bryant et al. This board would yuk it up over those guys. How’d that work out? Turns out, you have to evaluate.

The answer isn’t that hard. Play better, recruit better, assess which kids aint coming quicker. National is fine for a few spots (QB, OL, K)) and for picking top kids who want in. It’s a TERRIBLE plan if it means taking 3* kids from all over the place who need close evaluatons we dom’t have the resources to do well.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Ed Reed, DJ Williams, Clinton Portis, M. Bibla, Ken Dorsey, Jeremy Shockey, Jerome McDougle, Brett Romberg, Kellen Winslow, I mean the list goes on and on when you look at some of the non S. Florida guys who've made huge impacts. Butch was a national recruiter. We had dudes from all over the U.S. and even Canada.

DJ and KWII were TOP national recruits. We’d ALWAYS take those kids.

Shockey, McDougle were jucos. Totally different discussion. We SHOULD take more jucos.

Portis was a no brainer. Florida kid with tremendous talent who would have gone to UF if they’d offered him at RB. Simple evaluation. Good call, Butch.

Dorsey = CA QB. Sure. Always. No one disputes that.

Romberg was a Canadian Kehoe special. Is anyone seriously saying we should be heavily scouring Canada too here? I seem to recall Kehoe himself also brought in some useless Canadian OL later on. Maybe it’s about the evals, not Canada?

So your list comes down to Bibla (NJ) and Reed (LA). Maybe we can just agree that outside of Florida, NJ and LA are a couple areas to pay attention to. Or maybe we can quit using Ed Reed as an example of anything. He comes along once in ever. We won’t be back if we think we should recruit nationally because Ed Reed. Why not recruit more Hialeah kids because Ted Hendricks? That logic gets you nowhere. You need a plan, resources and evaluaton skills.

 

[Hoyacane1620]

Loo yup. If that were true, it would be an NCAA rule violation, moreover. It’s not only false, it’s stupid. You cannot contact a kid who plays for another school until he hits the portal.

Bolden wasn't on the team. He was already off.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Ken Dorsey, Daryl Jones, Jeremy Shockey, Martin Bibla, Bryant McKinnie, Brett Romberg, Sherko Haji-Rousali, DJ Williams, Chris Campbell, Ed Reed and James Lewis concur with your post. 50% of the starting lineup of the 2001 National Champions were from outside of Florida. Your honor, the defense rests.

Great. Let’s add Iran to the recruiting priority list also. Sounds like a strategy!

 

[Ethnicsands]

Bolden wasn't on the team. He was already off.

That would change things I guess. Maybe. Nnot sure how the release rules work.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Keep in mind, Rumph apparently didn’t know that his own son was going to take a bag.

I suspect what people really want here is for us to stop losing kids to Alabama and UGA, and their proposed solution isn’t to win more recruiting battles, but rather to stop recruiting kids who those schools might target. Sounds like the Alfraud Gluten strategy.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Keep in mind, Rumph apparently didn’t know that his own son was going to take a bag.

I suspect what people really want here is for us to stop losing kids to Alabama and UGA, and their proposed solution isn’t to win more recruiting battles, but rather to stop recruiting kids who those schools might target. Sounds like the Alfraud Gluten strategy.

Or stop wasting time recruiting kids that have no serious interest. After awhile you should get a sense whether your are getting played or the kid is looking for the highest bidder. There are plenty of excellent football players in South Florida that Miami can target and would have serious interest to commit. We passed on a lot of kids and or came on them too late or did not make them a priority to begin with early in the process.

Go look at every Miami national title team and its starting lineup has impact players from out of state. Quite a few starters are Florida kids north of Palm Beach.

You have to make a Miami offer valuable to these South Florida kids. We are going to start winning again. Diaz has that drive and ambition we haven't seen around Miami since Davis left around New Year's 2001.

 

[AllAboutTheU]

I don’t think Solomon, Nunn, or Ingraham fall under the “getting played” category either. We saw what happened when Golden thought he was being played with Denver Kirkland.

Ingraham and Bogle silently committed in the spring. I'd say that's getting played.

 

[TOcane]

How about this approach?

Stop going 7-6 and maybe there'll be less "games" with the local elites.

Just a thought.

Bro Bogle just went to a school that the year before last won 4 games. We are not going 7-6 again as DMoney pointed out in the pod our talent level on the roster in "stars" as everyone likes stars is ahead of where we have been in the past. We are closer to 10 wins than 7 and are a year removed from being ranked #2 in the country. Sit down drink some coffee and enjoy the ride.

 

[ghost2]

If the only point here is don’t fawn over kids who will take bags, then it’s easy to agree, assuming you can know. But that isn’t an argument for natonal vs. local. Because there are plenty of local kids who we can and should recruit who aren’t going to UGA.

If the argument is basically some folks are soured on local kids generally, as in emotional, butthurt, whatever, then that’s a faceplant.

If the argument is some naive form of find the best kids anywhere, then you’re still stuck with two issues. First, take the RB Crowley. We found him early. He blew up. We looked bad. He took a better offer. You can’t expect non-local kids to have undying loyalty to UM. So that again comes down to we need to evalaute well (looks like we did there), and win enough to not chase kids away. Haselwood would be here too if we didn’t look so awful on field. National recruiting is not a solution for sucking. Sure there are a few kids who really want to be Canes. DJ Johnson was one. Turns out, Miami is far from home and if that desire isn’t rooted in anything serious, then it may not be somehting to build a recruiting strategy around.

Second, national recruiting takes a LOT of resources. You have to screen more kids. You have less info on them and less access to the people who know them than you would for most local kids. Then you have to recruit them, visit them, go to games, get them to campus. Good luck on UM’s budget doing that all over the place and still minding the back yard. Alabama has WAY more resources devoted to recruiting than Miami does. None of these discussions ever include a realization of resource limitations or the consequences of spreading too then.

Y’all talk about Ed Reed, but Coker recruited nationally. He got Rhyan Anderson, Reggie Youngblood, James Bryant et al. This board would yuk it up over those guys. How’d that work out? Turns out, you have to evaluate.

The answer isn’t that hard. Play better, recruit better, assess which kids aint coming quicker. National is fine for a few spots (QB, OL, K)) and for picking top kids who want in. It’s a TERRIBLE plan if it means taking 3* kids from all over the place who need close evaluatons we dom’t have the resources to do well.

Man this is spot-on, IMO. Couldn't have said it better.

 

[umhurricane2511]

If the only point here is don’t fawn over kids who will take bags, then it’s easy to agree, assuming you can know. But that isn’t an argument for natonal vs. local. Because there are plenty of local kids who we can and should recruit who aren’t going to UGA.

If the argument is basically some folks are soured on local kids generally, as in emotional, butthurt, whatever, then that’s a faceplant.

If the argument is some naive form of find the best kids anywhere, then you’re still stuck with two issues. First, take the RB Crowley. We found him early. He blew up. We looked bad. He took a better offer. You can’t expect non-local kids to have undying loyalty to UM. So that again comes down to we need to evalaute well (looks like we did there), and win enough to not chase kids away. Haselwood would be here too if we didn’t look so awful on field. National recruiting is not a solution for sucking. Sure there are a few kids who really want to be Canes. DJ Johnson was one. Turns out, Miami is far from home and if that desire isn’t rooted in anything serious, then it may not be somehting to build a recruiting strategy around.

Second, national recruiting takes a LOT of resources. You have to screen more kids. You have less info on them and less access to the people who know them than you would for most local kids. Then you have to recruit them, visit them, go to games, get them to campus. Good luck on UM’s budget doing that all over the place and still minding the back yard. Alabama has WAY more resources devoted to recruiting than Miami does. None of these discussions ever include a realization of resource limitations or the consequences of spreading too then.

Y’all talk about Ed Reed, but Coker recruited nationally. He got Rhyan Anderson, Reggie Youngblood, James Bryant et al. This board would yuk it up over those guys. How’d that work out? Turns out, you have to evaluate.

The answer isn’t that hard. Play better, recruit better, assess which kids aint coming quicker. National is fine for a few spots (QB, OL, K)) and for picking top kids who want in. It’s a TERRIBLE plan if it means taking 3* kids from all over the place who need close evaluatons we dom’t have the resources to do well.

Is it really that hard for this board to understand this?

 

[TOcane]

I don't disagree with that strategy at all, I've been hoping for it myself.

What I'm pushing back on is fans that are anti South Fla & think there's going to be some OOS revolution flooding into Miami's classes, it's just not going to happen.

All I'm trying to find out is what fans think is actually going to happen, which elite 4/5-star OOS players do they think we're actually going to get? We can get mid-tier 3-star players from other places real easy, but does that solve the problem? That's all I'm trying to figure out.

I think we are understanding what your saying and there aren't many ATM, but your bringing up an apples question to an oranges solution. I think most people are staying that he just isn't going to take the crap from these guys anymore if they're not sincere, but we will still recruit the SFlo Dawgs who want to be here.

 

[TOcane]

It's a red flag for a local kid who drags out his commitment while visiting the U campus often, or commits and is taking visits to other schools. Manny must put an end to this. If u can't commit and shut it down, we ain't taking ur lazy commitment.

It's needs to be a privilege to come on campus unless you are committed and not visiting other schools.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Ingraham and Bogle silently committed in the spring. I'd say that's getting played.

L.M.A.O. @ “silent commitment.” If our staff still believes in that, they also believe in the tooth fairy.

‘Silent commitment’ is something invented to excite message board posters.

 

[Ethnicsands]

I think we are understanding what your saying and there aren't many ATM, but your bringing up an apples question to an oranges solution. I think most people are staying that he just isn't going to take the crap from these guys anymore if they're not sincere, but we will still recruit the SFlo Dawgs who want to be here.

That was the excuse back when Coker/Shannon were here. We’re recruiting the guys who want to be here, eff eeryone else. How’d that work for them?

We need to recruit competitively, and win battles. And evaluate well. And play well on field. Get the best players. Don’t shy away from losing recruiting battles. Just win our share. This isn’t so complicated, though that doesn’t make it easy. And it’s not right to blame the kids when our last four staffs have been hot garbage.

 

[Mr. Dynasty1]

Everybody here is saying the same **** thing pretty much but dudes are so caught up in themselves that they continue to argue. Just because you write 5 paragraphs doesn't mean its more accurate or profound than someone else. Continue to recruit S.FL, Continue to branch out at the same time and provide a better product on the field.

I don't know how people continue to argue this as if Banda said, we are done with S.Florida forever.

 

[AllAboutTheU]

L.M.A.O. @ “silent commitment.” If our staff still believes in that, they also believe in the tooth fairy.

‘Silent commitment’ is something invented to excite message board posters.

I guess. Kids silent commit before they go public all the time. Just because you get played sometimes doesn't make it less of a real thing.

 

[01Canes]

Broadening our search for blue-chip talent makes all the sense in the world. This isn't about just accepting commitments from random out-of-state three-star recruits who won't drag out the process or shying away from contested battles with the SEC.

Perhaps our success with the transfer portal is allowing Diaz and co. to evolve their approach with recruiting. It's only natural when you're landing players the caliber of Martell, Bolden, Hill, and possibly Phillips from outside of our backyard in such a brief period of time. It doesn't hurt to send out more offers/feelers to see whether you can get your foot in the door with premier athletes from various areas. The more great options you have, the more it creates competition for spots and boosts your perception both nationally and at home.

It's a bit oversimplified to say this, but you can find studs who handle their recruitments like aspiring pros (i.e. Brevin Jordan or Jeremiah Payton) from within our state or out of state rather than chasing after an excessive amount of attention-whoring divas like Khris Bogle. The Stevenson-level guys chasing bags should still be fought for, but there should be other Option 1A/1B types at the four-star level being coveted simultaneously rather than having a precipitous dropoff to a low three-star like Emerson being your primary fallback.