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Best fit to be Miami next coach?

Liberty City El said:
I agree with the premise of us needing an offensive minded HC, in today’s era of college football everything rests upon having a high powered offense that can score at will & have the capacity to drive the length of the field late in the 4th quarter while trailing. I think it’s imperative that we have a team that is never worried about getting down by 2 TD’s or more because they have a system in place that can come back while scoring rapidly.

The only way you’re going to field an elite Defense in today’s game is if you go the Georgia route & recruit like 50+ 5-stars on your roster, which takes about 3-4 years before it will actually come to fruition & you have to have an Admin that really really cares about Football allocating unlimited funds to the program with a sky high recruiting budget, or in other words a near impossible task to complete at Miami (because it’s not 00-01 anymore).

The fastest way for us to return back to prominence is through fast paced offense & great QB play...
You find a HC who understands how to develop QB’s & build an offense, recruit speed & develop/integrate big time playmakers at the skill positions, refashion the run game & OL to be more scheme specific & supplement the transitional gap from old regime to new regime with portal players who are plug & play.

I think @Canezum5 is in the right mind frame in terms of what we need, I’m not a Chip Kelly guy but I think an outsider who isn’t just another rah rah run of the mill former Cane trying to recreate the past is exactly what we need. We need an offensive X’s & O’s tactician who specializes in detail oriented scheme & situational football. Too much premium gets placed on personality & swagger when it comes to potential Miami coaches but when you really look at what has plagued this team it’s the lack of attention to detail & just downright absence of situational awareness that kills this team every Saturday. We got a roster full of talented football players & that don’t really know how to play football, just a bunch of undisciplined athletes who are mistake prone & consistently underperform when it matters most.

I think guys like Lane Kiffin, Hugh Freeze, Jeff Traylor, Jay Norvell would all be great fits here, guys who are offensive architects whose main focus is execution & not just winning press conferences with meaningless bluster.
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Liberty City El said:
I agree with the premise of us needing an offensive minded HC, in today’s era of college football everything rests upon having a high powered offense that can score at will & have the capacity to drive the length of the field late in the 4th quarter while trailing. I think it’s imperative that we have a team that is never worried about getting down by 2 TD’s or more because they have a system in place that can come back while scoring rapidly.

The only way you’re going to field an elite Defense in today’s game is if you go the Georgia route & recruit like 50+ 5-stars on your roster, which takes about 3-4 years before it will actually come to fruition & you have to have an Admin that really really cares about Football allocating unlimited funds to the program with a sky high recruiting budget, or in other words a near impossible task to complete at Miami (because it’s not 00-01 anymore).

The fastest way for us to return back to prominence is through fast paced offense & great QB play...
You find a HC who understands how to develop QB’s & build an offense, recruit speed & develop/integrate big time playmakers at the skill positions, refashion the run game & OL to be more scheme specific & supplement the transitional gap from old regime to new regime with portal players who are plug & play.

I think @Canezum5 is in the right mind frame in terms of what we need, I’m not a Chip Kelly guy but I think an outsider who isn’t just another rah rah run of the mill former Cane trying to recreate the past is exactly what we need. We need an offensive X’s & O’s tactician who specializes in detail oriented scheme & situational football. Too much premium gets placed on personality & swagger when it comes to potential Miami coaches but when you really look at what has plagued this team it’s the lack of attention to detail & just downright absence of situational awareness that kills this team every Saturday. We got a roster full of talented football players & that don’t really know how to play football, just a bunch of undisciplined athletes who are mistake prone & consistently underperform when it matters most.

I think guys like Lane Kiffin, Hugh Freeze, Jeff Traylor, Jay Norvell would all be great fits here, guys who are offensive architects whose main focus is execution & not just winning press conferences with meaningless bluster.
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An innovative offensive minded coach is definitely the way to go whether it be at OC or at HC. I said this before and I will say it again tempo needs to be used strategically see my previous post below. The notion of just running tempo to run more plays is not conducive to winning football if you not being efficient and converting 1st downs see Lashlee. You just end up getting a bunch of empty stats like running 90 plays and garbage yards while losing. I want a offensive mind who is constantly scheming to give us advantages. This is what separates Kiffin/Lebby from Lashlee they have a plan and scheme behind the tempo.

Tom Herman and Jamie Chadwell should be added to that list. Watch some of their coaching videos and it will be easy to see why they have successful offenses.



cleverjdub said:
This. 3rd down efficiency will be critical if we constantly go fast tempo. I believe we should use tempo strategically, like be prepared to line up like we going fast almost every down, but exercise it when we have clear advantages like when we get gains on 1st down or catching the def substituting or napping or when you see tired defensive players. Defensive players get tired when drives are sustained just as much as tempo, so moving the chains is the most important thing, not just running tempo just because.

Guys need to realize Defenses don't get tired when an offense goes 3 and out, but ours will.
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Liberty City El said:
The only way you’re going to field an elite Defense in today’s game is if you go the Georgia route & recruit like 50+ 5-stars on your roster, which takes about 3-4 years before it will actually come to fruition & you have to have an Admin that really really cares about Football allocating unlimited funds to the program with a sky high recruiting budget, or in other words a near impossible task to complete at Miami (because it’s not 00-01 anymore).
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This right here is why I liked Diaz's scheme in principle.

It accepted that you weren't going to conventionally shut down modern offences with all the rules slanted in their favour, so it relied on the notion that if you could just get one big negative play a drive you could PROBABLY get off the field.

Obviously it's not worked out that way - mainly because you have to be a savant to call plays for such a fundamentally flawed system.
 
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cleverjdub said:
An innovative offensive minded coach is definitely the way to go whether it be at OC or at HC. I said this before and I will say it again tempo needs to be used strategically see my previous post below. The notion of just running tempo to run more plays is not conducive to winning football if you not being efficient and converting 1st downs see Lashlee. You just end up getting a bunch of empty stats like running 90 plays and garbage yards while losing. I want a offensive mind who is constantly scheming to give us advantages. This is what separates Kiffin/Lebby from Lashlee they have a plan and scheme behind the tempo. Tom Herman and Jamie Chadwell should be added to that list. Watch a some of there coaching videos and it will be easy to see why they have successful offenses.
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id rather it be as an HC bc the OC can leave at any point for a better job and leave you with an expensive HC who has to find the OC replacement (orgeron at lSU). its why im not super high on Mario at the price tag he'd command. id rather it be a lane type hire who can be the reason why were elite or not and why elite O talent will always come to your school no matter the staff changes
 
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Liberty City El said:
I agree with the premise of us needing an offensive minded HC, in today’s era of college football everything rests upon having a high powered offense that can score at will & have the capacity to drive the length of the field late in the 4th quarter while trailing. I think it’s imperative that we have a team that is never worried about getting down by 2 TD’s or more because they have a system in place that can come back while scoring rapidly.

The only way you’re going to field an elite Defense in today’s game is if you go the Georgia route & recruit like 50+ 5-stars on your roster, which takes about 3-4 years before it will actually come to fruition & you have to have an Admin that really really cares about Football allocating unlimited funds to the program with a sky high recruiting budget, or in other words a near impossible task to complete at Miami (because it’s not 00-01 anymore).

The fastest way for us to return back to prominence is through fast paced offense & great QB play...
You find a HC who understands how to develop QB’s & build an offense, recruit speed & develop/integrate big time playmakers at the skill positions, refashion the run game & OL to be more scheme specific & supplement the transitional gap from old regime to new regime with portal players who are plug & play.

I think @Canezum5 is in the right mind frame in terms of what we need, I’m not a Chip Kelly guy but I think an outsider who isn’t just another rah rah run of the mill former Cane trying to recreate the past is exactly what we need. We need an offensive X’s & O’s tactician who specializes in detail oriented scheme & situational football. Too much premium gets placed on personality & swagger when it comes to potential Miami coaches but when you really look at what has plagued this team it’s the lack of attention to detail & just downright absence of situational awareness that kills this team every Saturday. We got a roster full of talented football players & that don’t really know how to play football, just a bunch of undisciplined athletes who are mistake prone & consistently underperform when it matters most.

I think guys like Lane Kiffin, Hugh Freeze, Jeff Traylor, Jay Norvell would all be great fits here, guys who are offensive architects whose main focus is execution & not just winning press conferences with meaningless bluster.
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Disregard my post in another thread.

What is your opinion on Billy Napier?
 
Canezum5 said:
So we going to ignore this guy taking Oregon to a ship with little to no Dline and Oline talent because he's in a rebuilding job at perennial trash ucla?

Stop it
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Yes we are. Little to no line talent is par for the course for westcoast teams. Also that was a decade ago.
 
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Liberty City El said:
I agree with the premise of us needing an offensive minded HC, in today’s era of college football everything rests upon having a high powered offense that can score at will & have the capacity to drive the length of the field late in the 4th quarter while trailing. I think it’s imperative that we have a team that is never worried about getting down by 2 TD’s or more because they have a system in place that can come back while scoring rapidly.

The only way you’re going to field an elite Defense in today’s game is if you go the Georgia route & recruit like 50+ 5-stars on your roster, which takes about 3-4 years before it will actually come to fruition & you have to have an Admin that really really cares about Football allocating unlimited funds to the program with a sky high recruiting budget, or in other words a near impossible task to complete at Miami (because it’s not 00-01 anymore).

The fastest way for us to return back to prominence is through fast paced offense & great QB play...
You find a HC who understands how to develop QB’s & build an offense, recruit speed & develop/integrate big time playmakers at the skill positions, refashion the run game & OL to be more scheme specific & supplement the transitional gap from old regime to new regime with portal players who are plug & play.

I think @Canezum5 is in the right mind frame in terms of what we need, I’m not a Chip Kelly guy but I think an outsider who isn’t just another rah rah run of the mill former Cane trying to recreate the past is exactly what we need. We need an offensive X’s & O’s tactician who specializes in detail oriented scheme & situational football. Too much premium gets placed on personality & swagger when it comes to potential Miami coaches but when you really look at what has plagued this team it’s the lack of attention to detail & just downright absence of situational awareness that kills this team every Saturday. We got a roster full of talented football players & that don’t really know how to play football, just a bunch of undisciplined athletes who are mistake prone & consistently underperform when it matters most.

I think guys like Lane Kiffin, Hugh Freeze, Jeff Traylor, Jay Norvell would all be great fits here, guys who are offensive architects whose main focus is execution & not just winning press conferences with meaningless bluster.
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Someone like Mario can and would be able to hire a legit OC. The HC doesn’t need to be the OC themselves. I do agree we need a face passed open O but Mario would be able to pull a legit guy who runs this too. I do like all these names but from the new Ferman report, Mario is gonna have to say no to a huge commitment from us before we look at some other coaches.
The positive is that if all that is true we will be able to land someone with legit experience that brings credibility.
 
Let's just go with high floor guys. Can't risk trying to find the next Matt Rhule and end up with Al Golden.

If we have the money let's buy out Cristobal or Mark Stoops.
 
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streetja said:
Let's just go with high floor guys. Can't risk trying to find the next Matt Rhule and end up with Al Golden.

If we have the money let's buy out Cristobal or Mark Stoops.
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Speaking of Rhule, everyone a few weeks ago talked about him being untouchable as he had Carolina at 3-0 and moving in the right direction. Since then they have gone 0-3 and are, well, Carolina.
Not saying at all he is a bad coach, but that narrative has certainly changed.
 
MizCane said:
Someone like Mario can and would be able to hire a legit OC. The HC doesn’t need to be the OC themselves. I do agree we need a face passed open O but Mario would be able to pull a legit guy who runs this too. I do like all these names but from the new Ferman report, Mario is gonna have to say no to a huge commitment from us before we look at some other coaches.
The positive is that if all that is true we will be able to land someone with legit experience that brings credibility.
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and if the OC leaves then what? all it takes is one bad hire to ruin a season or two (LSU again multiple times actually under O). I like the Lincoln Riley model honestly. at least, you know the HC can stabilize things and keep one side of the ball elite no matter what
 
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Two questions before I get on this train....

1) When was the last time a Miami team won anything with an avg passing offense of less than 200 yards per game?

2) Has Stoops ever had a team who passing offense avg more than 200 yards per game?

The last 3 years here is how Stoops team has ranked in this regard...

2021 - ranked #100 at 196 yards per game
2020 - ranked #123 at 121 yards per game
2019 - ranked #127 at 113 yards per game

Dude may be only coach in modern P5 history not named Paul Johnson to have consecutive seasons of actually being ranked lower than his actual avg passing yards per game. Seriously... you think that's a good fit for Miami?
 
OldhamA said:
This right here is why I liked Diaz's scheme in principle.

It accepted that you weren't going to conventionally shut down modern offences with all the rules slanted in their favour, so it relied on the notion that if you could just get one big negative play a drive you could PROBABLY get off the field.

Obviously it's not worked out that way - mainly because you have to be a savant to call plays for such a fundamentally flawed system.
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Lack of speed on blitzes kills his entire philosophy though. Only thing Manny ever did right as a DC was adjusting his delayed blitzes. We blitzed all the time when he was DC under Richt. Agonizing slow blitzes from 15 yards back and teams ate us alive. For a while he abandoned that and actually brought guys to the line to blitz and that is when we had success. I assume that is why he shifted to this soft zone d, I don't think he believes he has the personnel to run the d he wants. I don't give him a pass for that though, that was on him to find guys that fit.
 
hoops156 said:
and if the OC leaves then what? all it takes is one bad hire to ruin a season or two (LSU again multiple times actually under O). I like the Lincoln Riley model honestly. at least, you know the HC can stabilize things and keep one side of the ball elite no matter what
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Saban seems to get a new OC every two years and does just fine.
Anyway, Mario brings a lot more credibility than Manny Diaz or any other low level experimental coach we have had in the last 18 years. He will be able to get someone legit when needed. Ill be very happy with Mario and the others who can be OC too. Just saying, it’s not the end all
Be all. Mario possesses some attributes they do not on the flip side. We can’t go wrong with any IMO.
 
MizCane said:
Saban seems to get a new OC every two years and does just fine.
Anyway, Mario brings a lot more credibility than Manny Diaz or any other low level experimental coach we have had in the last 18 years. He will be able to get someone legit when needed. Ill be very happy with Mario and the others who can be OC too. Just saying, it’s not the end all
Be all. Mario possesses some attributes they do not on the flip side. We can’t go wrong with any IMO.
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Manny didn't do awful as it relates to attracting OC candidates (both Lash and Enos were big names and hot names at the time). they just didn't work out just as his other hires. it wasn't like he pulled in inexperienced dudes. Manny just can't fix it regardless of any move he makes.

also, Bama struggled forever on O and changed their style as the game changed when hey went to Lane as oC. he transformed them. also, well never recruit like Bama does so the margin for error won't be there. id prefer a Lane but I know he wouldn't come.
 
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