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Bagmen... out of the shadows (NIL approved. Starts in Jan)

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mrgreenpants said:
this...is a literal game changer.
The programs (ie OSU) that have been teaching "brand building" for 4+ years are the ones that developed these new rules and then pushed this through.
They are already ready..and are already benefiting. Errbody loves a winner.. folks in places like chapel hill and columbus will line up to pay the QB1 to plug their restaurant or whatever...
(are OSU's super classes and UT and UNC's recent success due to their social media/brand building pitches?)

UM absolutely can not be 'reactive' with this and absolutely must use this change as an opportunity.
The canes absolutely can sell the metro miami market and they can sell the dreams of being a college age super social media influencer in miami

With even half an effort.. there is no reason that UM can't leverage these new rules into top recruiting classes



https://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/arti...student-athlete-compensation-endorsements-and
Board of Governors moves toward allowing student-athlete compensation for endorsements and promotions


At its meeting this week, the Board of Governors supported rule changes to allow student-athletes to receive compensation for third-party endorsements both related to and separate from athletics. It also supports compensation for other student-athlete opportunities, such as social media, businesses they have started and personal appearances within the guiding principles originally outlined by the board in October.
While student-athletes would be permitted to identify themselves by sport and school, the use of conference and school logos, trademarks or other involvement would not be allowed. The board emphasized that at no point should a university or college pay student-athletes for name, image and likeness activities.
The board directed all three divisions to consider appropriate rules changes based on recommendations from its Federal and State Legislation Working Group.
“Throughout our efforts to enhance support for college athletes, the NCAA has relied upon considerable feedback from and the engagement of our members, including numerous student-athletes, from all three divisions,” said Michael V. Drake, chair of the board and president of Ohio State. “Allowing promotions and third-party endorsements is uncharted territory.”
The board’s recommendations now will move to the rules-making structure in each of the NCAA’s three divisions for further consideration. The divisions are expected to adopt new name, image and likeness rules by January to take effect at the start of the 2021-22 academic year.
The board is requiring guardrails around any future name, image and likeness activities. These would include no name, image and likeness activities that would be considered pay for play; no school or conference involvement; no use of name, image and likeness for recruiting by schools or boosters; and the regulation of agents and advisors.
The board’s action is the latest step by the Association to support college athletes and modernize its rules regarding name, image and likeness. In October, the board identified guiding principles to ensure that any changes support college sports as a part of higher education. Any changes adopted by the divisions must be in concert with the following principles and guidelines:
  • Ensuring student-athletes are treated similarly to nonathlete students unless a compelling reason exists to differentiate.
  • Maintaining the priorities of education and the collegiate experience to provide opportunities for student-athlete success.
  • Ensuring rules are transparent, focused and enforceable, and facilitating fair and balanced competition.
  • Making clear the distinction between collegiate and professional opportunities.
  • Making clear that compensation for athletics performance or participation is impermissible. Reaffirming that student-athletes are students first and not employees of the university.
  • Enhancing principles of diversity, inclusion and gender equity.
  • Protecting the recruiting environment and prohibiting inducements to select, remain at or transfer to a specific institution.
  • The board relied on a comprehensive report from the Federal and State Legislation Working Group to inform its recommendations.
“The NCAA’s work to modernize name, image and likeness continues, and we plan to make these important changes on the original timeline, no later than January 2021,” said Gene Smith, Ohio State senior vice president and athletics director and working group co-chair. “The board’s decision today provides further guidance to each division as they create and adopt appropriate rules changes.”
In its report, the working group recognized that the rules needed to accomplish the modifications may differ by division and stressed the need for appropriate regulation in the future.
“As we evolve, the Association will continue to identify the guardrails to further support student-athletes within the context of college sports and higher education,” said Val Ackerman, commissioner of the Big East and working group co-chair. “In addition, we are mindful of the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on higher education, college sports and students at large. We hope that modernized name, image and likeness rules will further assist college athletes during these unprecedented times and beyond.”

The board also discussed the potential challenges to modernizing rules posed by outside legal and legislative factors that could significantly undermine the NCAA’s ability to take meaningful action. As a result, it will engage Congress to take steps that include the following:
  • Ensuring federal preemption over state name, image and likeness laws.
  • Establishing a “safe harbor” for the Association to provide protection against lawsuits filed for name, image and likeness rules.
  • Safeguarding the nonemployment status of student-athletes.
  • Maintaining the distinction between college athletes and professional athletes.
  • Upholding the NCAA’s values, including diversity, inclusion and gender equity.
The recommendations for federal engagement were provided by the Presidential Subcommittee on Congressional Action, which was formed as part of the Federal and State Legislation Working Group to provide input on the potential assistance the NCAA should seek from Congress.
“The evolving legal and legislative landscape around these issues not only could undermine college sports as a part of higher education but also significantly limit the NCAA’s ability to meet the needs of college athletes moving forward,” Drake said. “We must continue to engage with Congress in order to secure the appropriate legal and legislative framework to modernize our rules around name, image and likeness. We will do so in a way that underscores the Association’s mission to oversee and protect college athletics and college athletes on a national scale.”
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If you guys think that we're going to all of a sudden be proactive in our approach to bettering our chances of winning you're mistaken. We simply lack cutting edge ideas and foresight to make this move a positive for our program. Just another reason for smaller schools to capitalize and further supersede the University of Miami football program. Our Administration will not gamble on our "reputation" even though this is now permitted.
 
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Canes2082 said:
Exactly the under the table deals will still exist.
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I am not sure why under the table deals need to exist anymore. Let's say a big UGA booster owns car dealerships (or fill in any business) around Georgia. He doesn't need to now give a bagman money to funnel to a recruit. He can just tell the recruit you come to Georgia, I will make you a spokesperson and pay you $100k a year to do so. Unless there was something that is going to limit the amount a player can get paid, then I do not see why the under the table is even necessary at this point. Even if the rule says "no more than fair market value", who is determining FMV?
 
Tbh if we don’t have national star players how much will this matter for us?...the schools that get the top recruits and have the top national stars will benefit the most..results on the field have to change
 
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305to954 said:
Tbh if we don’t have national star players how much with this matter for us?...the schools that get the top recruits and have the top national stars will benefit the most..results on the field have to change
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Thank you. I don’t get why people think bc they’re in Miami, a 3 star guy would have more fame than a 5 star kid anywhere else. Doesn’t matter where you’re located, if you’re good you will get exposure and fame. It’s not 1980 anymore. The internet is available everywhere.
 
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NC_Canes_11 said:
Thank you. I don’t get why people think bc they’re in Miami, a 3 star guy would have more fame than a 5 star kid anywhere else. Doesn’t matter where you’re located, if you’re good you will get exposure and fame. It’s not 1980 anymore. The internet is available everywhere.
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Ding ding ding..the only marketable kid we have is maybe Greg..and most CFB fans outside of the ACC dont know who he is yet, and by the time they do he’ll be in the league..you better be a Chase young, fields or Trevor Lawrence type right out the gate performing on the big stage Consistently to benefit from this
 
mrgreenpants said:
this...is a literal game changer.
The programs (ie OSU) that have been teaching "brand building" for 4+ years are the ones that developed these new rules and then pushed this through.
They are already ready..and are already benefiting. Errbody loves a winner.. folks in places like chapel hill and columbus will line up to pay the QB1 to plug their restaurant or whatever...
(are OSU's super classes and UT and UNC's recent success due to their social media/brand building pitches?)

UM absolutely can not be 'reactive' with this and absolutely must use this change as an opportunity.
The canes absolutely can sell the metro miami market and they can sell the dreams of being a college age super social media influencer in miami

With even half an effort.. there is no reason that UM can't leverage these new rules into top recruiting classes



https://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/arti...student-athlete-compensation-endorsements-and
Board of Governors moves toward allowing student-athlete compensation for endorsements and promotions


At its meeting this week, the Board of Governors supported rule changes to allow student-athletes to receive compensation for third-party endorsements both related to and separate from athletics. It also supports compensation for other student-athlete opportunities, such as social media, businesses they have started and personal appearances within the guiding principles originally outlined by the board in October.
While student-athletes would be permitted to identify themselves by sport and school, the use of conference and school logos, trademarks or other involvement would not be allowed. The board emphasized that at no point should a university or college pay student-athletes for name, image and likeness activities.
The board directed all three divisions to consider appropriate rules changes based on recommendations from its Federal and State Legislation Working Group.
“Throughout our efforts to enhance support for college athletes, the NCAA has relied upon considerable feedback from and the engagement of our members, including numerous student-athletes, from all three divisions,” said Michael V. Drake, chair of the board and president of Ohio State. “Allowing promotions and third-party endorsements is uncharted territory.”
The board’s recommendations now will move to the rules-making structure in each of the NCAA’s three divisions for further consideration. The divisions are expected to adopt new name, image and likeness rules by January to take effect at the start of the 2021-22 academic year.
The board is requiring guardrails around any future name, image and likeness activities. These would include no name, image and likeness activities that would be considered pay for play; no school or conference involvement; no use of name, image and likeness for recruiting by schools or boosters; and the regulation of agents and advisors.
The board’s action is the latest step by the Association to support college athletes and modernize its rules regarding name, image and likeness. In October, the board identified guiding principles to ensure that any changes support college sports as a part of higher education. Any changes adopted by the divisions must be in concert with the following principles and guidelines:
  • Ensuring student-athletes are treated similarly to nonathlete students unless a compelling reason exists to differentiate.
  • Maintaining the priorities of education and the collegiate experience to provide opportunities for student-athlete success.
  • Ensuring rules are transparent, focused and enforceable, and facilitating fair and balanced competition.
  • Making clear the distinction between collegiate and professional opportunities.
  • Making clear that compensation for athletics performance or participation is impermissible. Reaffirming that student-athletes are students first and not employees of the university.
  • Enhancing principles of diversity, inclusion and gender equity.
  • Protecting the recruiting environment and prohibiting inducements to select, remain at or transfer to a specific institution.
  • The board relied on a comprehensive report from the Federal and State Legislation Working Group to inform its recommendations.
“The NCAA’s work to modernize name, image and likeness continues, and we plan to make these important changes on the original timeline, no later than January 2021,” said Gene Smith, Ohio State senior vice president and athletics director and working group co-chair. “The board’s decision today provides further guidance to each division as they create and adopt appropriate rules changes.”
In its report, the working group recognized that the rules needed to accomplish the modifications may differ by division and stressed the need for appropriate regulation in the future.
“As we evolve, the Association will continue to identify the guardrails to further support student-athletes within the context of college sports and higher education,” said Val Ackerman, commissioner of the Big East and working group co-chair. “In addition, we are mindful of the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on higher education, college sports and students at large. We hope that modernized name, image and likeness rules will further assist college athletes during these unprecedented times and beyond.”

The board also discussed the potential challenges to modernizing rules posed by outside legal and legislative factors that could significantly undermine the NCAA’s ability to take meaningful action. As a result, it will engage Congress to take steps that include the following:
  • Ensuring federal preemption over state name, image and likeness laws.
  • Establishing a “safe harbor” for the Association to provide protection against lawsuits filed for name, image and likeness rules.
  • Safeguarding the nonemployment status of student-athletes.
  • Maintaining the distinction between college athletes and professional athletes.
  • Upholding the NCAA’s values, including diversity, inclusion and gender equity.
The recommendations for federal engagement were provided by the Presidential Subcommittee on Congressional Action, which was formed as part of the Federal and State Legislation Working Group to provide input on the potential assistance the NCAA should seek from Congress.
“The evolving legal and legislative landscape around these issues not only could undermine college sports as a part of higher education but also significantly limit the NCAA’s ability to meet the needs of college athletes moving forward,” Drake said. “We must continue to engage with Congress in order to secure the appropriate legal and legislative framework to modernize our rules around name, image and likeness. We will do so in a way that underscores the Association’s mission to oversee and protect college athletics and college athletes on a national scale.”
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Are you related to Mr. GreenJeans??....
 
Certainly not all kids at any school will be marketable to the degree to benefit businesses, but the SoFl (Palm Beach to Homestead) area have tons more opportunities than Columbus, Alabaga and Clemson combined. You thought kids were prima donnas before wait till Alumni and business owner fans start propositioning kids, their families, handlers and coaches. These poor kids especially minorities will bear the burden for problems caused by Rich White Men wanting to flaunt their money and influence.
 
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Gator Hatar said:
Certainly not all kids at any school will be marketable to the degree to benefit businesses, but the SoFl (Palm Beach to Homestead) area have tons more opportunities than Columbus, Alabaga and Clemson combined. You thought kids were prima donnas before wait till Alumni and business owner fans start propositioning kids, their families, handlers and coaches. These poor kids especially minorities will bear the burden for problems caused by Rich White Men wanting to flaunt their money and influence.
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you don’t think Ohio state has alumni all over the nation. Same with Bama. This isn’t about university location
 
Lets say Rousseau has a great year next season would he make more money off his name at Miami or Clemson? I still think winning will matter. Would you rather two incomes or one? Teams will still drops bags if they have to.
 
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pacusmc said:
ROI is assuming the kid pans out. The good part is sofla has a good record of putting guys in the league. But yes the social media exposure down here is endless. If a kid has an IG account and starts plugging his luxury condo and his new ride and his favorite restaurants, then it’s definitely way more of a plus down here. Why tf would anyone watch some dude’s channel as he goes up and down main street of Tuskkkoosa. Nobody anywhere would give a fck. But if a star sofla qb is showing you his crib and his ride in brickel as he drives it down to have brunch at greenstreet cafe I’m sure he’ll have way more views.
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The problem is that you think that everyone wants to see the same **** all the time. That's some antique way of thinking....its about cash, and if you think it's not abundant in places in Alabama, you might want to tune in. Lol
Obviously, it's been flowing for quite a while.
 
S.CarolinaCane said:
The problem is that you think that everyone wants to see the same **** all the time. That's some antique way of thinking....its about cash, and if you think it's not abundant in places in Alabama, you might want to tune in. Lol
Obviously, it's been flowing for quite a while.
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I’m one of the first people to tell you that players get prime cash at bama. But If you think a sofla player is going to baton smells like rouge colored sht or tiskkkaloosa cause they want a change of scenery then I have beach front property to sell you in Toronto Canada. The sec found a way to be the ncaa’s cash cow on the condition that they look the other away. They bring in revenue to states that are dirt poor and the local and state authorities also look the other way.
The Ncaa on the other hand goes as far as investigating us for 3 years and paying people for information on us. if Emmert let us get away with the sht sec schools get away with no one would want your so called change of scenery theory.
 
pacusmc said:
I’m one of the first people to tell you that players get prime cash at bama. But If you think a sofla player is going to baton smells like rouge colored sht or tiskkkaloosa cause they want a change of scenery then I have beach front property to sell you in Toronto Canada. The sec found a way to be the ncaa’s cash cow on the condition that they look the other away. They bring in revenue to states that are dirt poor and the local and state authorities also look the other way.
The Ncaa on the other hand goes as far as investigating us for 3 years and paying people for information on us. if Emmert let us get away with the sht sec schools get away with no one would want your so called change of scenery theory.
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Lol, of course. Not a theory though
 
S.CarolinaCane said:
Lol, of course. Not a theory though
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If your telling me that kids have been leaving south Florida to these places for the past 15 years and money has nothing g to do with it but change of scenery does then I guess the earth is flat and space is fake. Yes maybe a kid here or there may want to leave. But amazing how every sofla blue chip kid wants a change of $cenery. Just like kids from everywhere all wanted a change of scenery to SoCal when usc was buying kids.
Google Baton Rouge and then click on images. I spent 4 weeks there and I can only imagine the type of sht they have to give kids to make them go there. Funny how when they turn pro the change of scenery automatically is a condo down here for a lot of nfl players and not that Awesome scenery in sec-ville.
 
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