B1G vs. SEC for Miami: Realignment Reality Check - Poll

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If the Big 12 still had OU, Texas, and aTm, I’d be with you to some extent. But in its current state, I don’t really see anything that’s going to move the conference forward in a meaningful way. And for me personally, those road games wouldn’t be very appealing either.
The travel is why I'd love to see Miami in the SEC. I just don't trust the conference to do us right, at all. They are corrupt as ****, and would ***** us worse than the ACC, which would be really, really bad.
 
You kind of just made his point for him.

You were in shorts in 54*, South Floridians were in winter coats.
Where do you think the majority of our players come from?

And it doesn’t matter how good of shape you’re in. UM didn’t just set the record for home wins because they were good, they were, but northern teams came down here and couldn’t handle the heat, especially when we made our schedules and didn’t waste September/October games at 7:30pm.

The Big 10 isn’t going to help us. They are run by OSU and Michigan. You can guarantee our schedule will suck donkey balls, every year.

They are not going to schedule us to our advantages. We will play at Minnesota, OSU, Michigan, Notre Dame most likely, Iowa, Rutgers, Illinois, Indiana etc., in November games guaranteed.

Our home games early in the season will be at night or against OOC teams.

“It’s not like it used to be”. Weather is cyclical. I’ve been in Minnesota at Thanksgiving when they had a three day blizzard of -32* and 2’ of snow.

****, I used to have Faculty season tickets at Vanderbilt and went to a game in early November and it snowed. Spurrier was the HC of SCarolina and Vanderbilt beat them. And that’s just Nashville.

People from up north are used to cold weather and diminish what it’s like to play at noon in Miami in September.
People from South Florida, are used to hot weather and think the cold weather won’t be an issue.

Most of the people voting for the Big 10, have probably never lived in and played football in both extremes, to even comment intelligently on the issue.
And this is where I disagree with the idea that people who haven't lived in both extremes can't comment intelligently on it.

I grew up in Massillon, Ohio, and played football there. Then I moved to Eufaula, Alabama my junior year and played football there. I've experienced both sides firsthand. It's not nearly as extreme as you're making it sound. Yes, there is an adjustment going from Ohio weather to Alabama heat, just like there would be going from Miami to Minnesota. I'm not saying weather doesn't matter.

But football players aren't helpless when the temperature changes. They practice in different conditions, prepare for road games and adapt. The difference between playing in 90-degree Miami and 50-degree Minnesota is real, but it isn't some automatic competitive advantage that determines the outcome.

The NFL does this every year. Teams from Miami, Tampa, Los Angeles, Arizona and other warm-weather cities routinely travel to places like Green Bay, Buffalo, Chicago, Minnesota and New England in November, December and January. They don't get months to acclimate to the weather. They prepare for it and play.

The same applies to the Nashville example. I live in Clarksville now, and November snow around here is hardly a normal occurrence. When it does snow that early, it often doesn't even stick.

So we're taking the most extreme weather scenarios from each region and treating them like they're the expected conditions every time a team plays there.

That's a pretty big difference.

If the argument is that Miami needs to pay attention to when and where its Big Ten road games are scheduled, I'm completely with you. But saying Miami can't adapt to November football up north, or that every November road game is going to be some frozen hellscape, is overstating the actual climate issue.
 
I picked SEC just to beat tf out the gators yearly. That’s it


But if the Big is more money then that’s the move.
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And this is where I disagree with the idea that people who haven't lived in both extremes can't comment intelligently on it.

I grew up in Massillon, Ohio, and played football there. Then I moved to Eufaula, Alabama my junior year and played football there. I've experienced both sides firsthand. It's not nearly as extreme as you're making it sound. Yes, there is an adjustment going from Ohio weather to Alabama heat, just like there would be going from Miami to Minnesota. I'm not saying weather doesn't matter.

But football players aren't helpless when the temperature changes. They practice in different conditions, prepare for road games and adapt. The difference between playing in 90-degree Miami and 50-degree Minnesota is real, but it isn't some automatic competitive advantage that determines the outcome.

The NFL does this every year. Teams from Miami, Tampa, Los Angeles, Arizona and other warm-weather cities routinely travel to places like Green Bay, Buffalo, Chicago, Minnesota and New England in November, December and January. They don't get months to acclimate to the weather. They prepare for it and play.

The same applies to the Nashville example. I live in Clarksville now, and November snow around here is hardly a normal occurrence. When it does snow that early, it often doesn't even stick.

So we're taking the most extreme weather scenarios from each region and treating them like they're the expected conditions every time a team plays there.

That's a pretty big difference.

If the argument is that Miami needs to pay attention to when and where its Big Ten road games are scheduled, I'm completely with you. But saying Miami can't adapt to November football up north, or that every November road game is going to be some frozen hellscape, is overstating the actual climate issue.
You are someone that understands it though.
Like you, I grew up in SFLA and Brookpark, Ohio. Played sports in both. There are probably kids on our roster right now, who’ve never seen snow or 10* temps in their life, let alone played in it.

Loved playing football in the snow, but it’s something you learn. You don’t run, cut the same in the snow as a dry field or even a wet field.

Look at the Dolphins upset of the Cowboys on Thanksgiving, years ago. The quick receivers and RB’s were falling on their asses. The only RB who played well was Keith Byars, as he had huge feet and a plodding running style.

I’m not saying the weather will make us lose to a Rutgers or a Minnesota, I’m saying it may be consequential in a game where we are evenly matched or having an off day. As well, the Big 10 will neuter one of our advantages.

The last time we had this discussion over a year or so ago, I did the research on the Dolphins and Hurricanes historical records at away games, up north in open fields vs home games. The contrast in records was night and day.

Right now, playing a NC or BC game away in November is a couple times a decade affair. And NC and Boston are mild, compared to the upper Midwest.
It will guaranteed, be an every year, perhaps multiple times a year, issue in the Big10.

As bad as the SEC refs suck, the Big10 cheats in all aspects, for their charter members.

I’ve been a Canes fan since 1981, I’m seen every championship run and expect them. A decent percentage of our posters have seen us win maybe 1 championship, some not old enough to even remember 2001.

I don’t want us to go to the Big 10 because of academics or because we’re a better fit. We’re not, we have nothing in common with the Big 10 schools. It’s a conference full of pedophile & cheating programs.

I’d rather we play UFaG and FSU every year and smack UGA and Bama in the mouth. The SEC cares about $$$, the Big10 cares about pedigree.
 
You kind of just made his point for him.

You were in shorts in 54*, South Floridians were in winter coats.
Where do you think the majority of our players come from?

And it doesn’t matter how good of shape you’re in. UM didn’t just set the record for home wins because they were good, they were, but northern teams came down here and couldn’t handle the heat, especially when we made our schedules and didn’t waste September/October games at 7:30pm.

The Big 10 isn’t going to help us. They are run by OSU and Michigan. You can guarantee our schedule will suck donkey balls, every year.

They are not going to schedule us to our advantages. We will play at Minnesota, OSU, Michigan, Notre Dame most likely, Iowa, Rutgers, Illinois, Indiana etc., in November games guaranteed.

Our home games early in the season will be at night or against OOC teams.

“It’s not like it used to be”. Weather is cyclical. I’ve been in Minnesota at Thanksgiving when they had a three day blizzard of -32* and 2’ of snow.

****, I used to have Faculty season tickets at Vanderbilt and went to a game in early November and it snowed. Spurrier was the HC of SCarolina and Vanderbilt beat them. And that’s just Nashville.

People from up north are used to cold weather and diminish what it’s like to play at noon in Miami in September.
People from South Florida, are used to hot weather and think the cold weather won’t be an issue.

Most of the people voting for the Big 10, have probably never lived in and played football in both extremes, to even comment intelligently on the issue.

You adapt, you just don’t adapt in 2 days.

Well said.

Now can you hammer home why traveling to the upper Midwest, the Pacific time zone (and quite possibly Mountain time zone) for games might be problematic for a football program tucked away in the far southeast corner of United States?

Feel free to mention why certain NFL franchises — no doubt following the advice of their sports medicine staff — choose to spend an entire week anchored out West rather than fly back between back-to-back games on the Left Coast.

Maybe those cross country trips present a significant challenge even (or especially) for elite athletes?
 
Well said.

Now can you hammer home why traveling to the upper Midwest, the Pacific time zone (and quite possibly Mountain time zone) for games might be problematic for a football program tucked away in the far southeast corner of United States?

Feel free to mention why certain NFL franchises — no doubt following the advice of their sports medicine staff — choose to spend an entire week anchored out West rather than fly back between back-to-back games on the Left Coast.

Maybe those cross country trips present a significant challenge even (or especially) for elite athletes?
I can give one anecdote to your point, which I agree with.

I went through Basic training in San Antonio in May-June. It was 101* almost every day. Kids from up north were dying in the heat.

I was a 3 sport athlete in HS in SFLA. I got Honor Grad at Basic and barely broke a sweat.

Then I went to Denver for Tech school, and the first month was gasping for oxygen, just running a mile.

Like I said, athletes can adapt faster than most, just not in 2 days.
 
You think players will not join the Miami football program because for 1-3 games a year they have to fly a couple hours more? That negates the $ in both sports AND academia? Certainly glad you are not making decisions for my alma matter.

No, it’s not about the flight time, and it would be 4-5 games a season. If I’m a player from the South (of which we have quite a few!), playing in the ACC means that Mom or Dad can go to Atlanta, Clemson, Tallahassee, Louisville, Dallas, or Raleigh to catch my games regularly; most likely, given that 79% of the roster is from that area, not just family but also your friends and extended family as well.

That plays a large role in the decision of a 17-18 year old, and also in how we play as a team. So I’m not making the decisions; I’m just explaining how those players that ultimately decide if they want to play for Miami will decide.
 
Weather - Miami has an 8-13 record in games played under 50 degrees, dating back to 2006. That’s a wonderful 39% winning percentage.

For games played in SEC 90 degree weather, that’s 18-4 - 82% (and we’ve sucked in that time period.)

Go ahead, throw away all of our recruiting and talent advantages…
 
There was not an Ohio state or Michigan in the big east
So... not a single issue.

It's not like we will be playing in Evanston in January. The average snow days in November in big10 cities is about 4.5.

The last game of the season (now - I can see everything being moved up a week soon) is Thanksgiving. OSU and Michigan are busy that week (so are Wisconsin and Minnesota, Oregon Washington, Iowa Nebraska...). So, we are really talking about the third or fourth week in November, just about every other year. Might we get a snow game in Lansing once a decade? Possibly, but it's no less possible to happen in Boston or Blacksburg (or even Colombia/Lexington). Besides - it's football. No bad weather, only soft people.
 
Miami played in the Big East and kicked ***.
True, but who did we play above the Mason Dixon line in the Big East?

Syracuse was indoors.

So that leaves Pitt, Temple, BC, Rutgers, and W. Virginia. Not exactly a Murderers row.

We were 5-1 at Morgantown during the BE days.

1 win was an absolute miracle (Tremain Mack game) and two games we won by 3 points.
 
You are someone that understands it though.
Like you, I grew up in SFLA and Brookpark, Ohio. Played sports in both. There are probably kids on our roster right now, who’ve never seen snow or 10* temps in their life, let alone played in it.

Loved playing football in the snow, but it’s something you learn. You don’t run, cut the same in the snow as a dry field or even a wet field.

Look at the Dolphins upset of the Cowboys on Thanksgiving, years ago. The quick receivers and RB’s were falling on their asses. The only RB who played well was Keith Byars, as he had huge feet and a plodding running style.

I’m not saying the weather will make us lose to a Rutgers or a Minnesota, I’m saying it may be consequential in a game where we are evenly matched or having an off day. As well, the Big 10 will neuter one of our advantages.

The last time we had this discussion over a year or so ago, I did the research on the Dolphins and Hurricanes historical records at away games, up north in open fields vs home games. The contrast in records was night and day.

Right now, playing a NC or BC game away in November is a couple times a decade affair. And NC and Boston are mild, compared to the upper Midwest.
It will guaranteed, be an every year, perhaps multiple times a year, issue in the Big10.

As bad as the SEC refs suck, the Big10 cheats in all aspects, for their charter members.

I’ve been a Canes fan since 1981, I’m seen every championship run and expect them. A decent percentage of our posters have seen us win maybe 1 championship, some not old enough to even remember 2001.

I don’t want us to go to the Big 10 because of academics or because we’re a better fit. We’re not, we have nothing in common with the Big 10 schools. It’s a conference full of pedophile & cheating programs.

I’d rather we play UFaG and FSU every year and smack UGA and Bama in the mouth. The SEC cares about $$$, the Big10 cares about pedigree.
Bigger issue though. Will the SEC take us? I don't think they will. ESPN already has Miami locked up at the lower payout.
 
I can give one anecdote to your point, which I agree with.

I went through Basic training in San Antonio in May-June. It was 101* almost every day. Kids from up north were dying in the heat.

I was a 3 sport athlete in HS in SFLA. I got Honor Grad at Basic and barely broke a sweat.

Then I went to Denver for Tech school, and the first month was gasping for oxygen, just running a mile.

Like I said, athletes can adapt faster than most, just not in 2 days.
been in Colorado Springs since June for a work assignment and this altitude is no f'n joke. My first week here I jogged up two flights of stairs. 30 minutes later I felt like i was about to pass out.
 
And this is where I disagree with the idea that people who haven't lived in both extremes can't comment intelligently on it.

I grew up in Massillon, Ohio, and played football there. Then I moved to Eufaula, Alabama my junior year and played football there. I've experienced both sides firsthand. It's not nearly as extreme as you're making it sound. Yes, there is an adjustment going from Ohio weather to Alabama heat, just like there would be going from Miami to Minnesota. I'm not saying weather doesn't matter.

But football players aren't helpless when the temperature changes. They practice in different conditions, prepare for road games and adapt. The difference between playing in 90-degree Miami and 50-degree Minnesota is real, but it isn't some automatic competitive advantage that determines the outcome.

The NFL does this every year. Teams from Miami, Tampa, Los Angeles, Arizona and other warm-weather cities routinely travel to places like Green Bay, Buffalo, Chicago, Minnesota and New England in November, December and January. They don't get months to acclimate to the weather. They prepare for it and play.

The same applies to the Nashville example. I live in Clarksville now, and November snow around here is hardly a normal occurrence. When it does snow that early, it often doesn't even stick.

So we're taking the most extreme weather scenarios from each region and treating them like they're the expected conditions every time a team plays there.

That's a pretty big difference.

If the argument is that Miami needs to pay attention to when and where its Big Ten road games are scheduled, I'm completely with you. But saying Miami can't adapt to November football up north, or that every November road game is going to be some frozen hellscape, is overstating the actual climate issue.
People are overcomplicating things.
 
Weather - Miami has an 8-13 record in games played under 50 degrees, dating back to 2006. That’s a wonderful 39% winning percentage.

For games played in SEC 90 degree weather, that’s 18-4 - 82% (and we’ve sucked in that time period.)

Go ahead, throw away all of our recruiting and talent advantages…
We've been a dog**** program since 2006. What were the teams we lost to in that span?

Does than include the meathead yankee stadium grunt bowl against Rutgers? We lost that game because we sucked and our coaching sucked, not because we could not acclimate to the weather?

Does it include the half-back pass in the snow?

Losing to Pitt in 2017 was not weather related.
 
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