Are you prepared for the rebuild to take 5 years?

[Canes_]

Golden has shown us nothing so far that would make anyone believe he can lead a contending team. At some point our talent level will become very good but that won't solve one of our biggest issues. We haven't been losing to teams like Maryland, Duke, UVA, etc because of talent.

Also, after next year we could lose Duke, Gunter, Howard, Flowers, Dorsett, Perryman, Bush (if he bounces back), Chickillo, Crawford, and maybe some others. So we could be looking to replace a lot of production. Ideally next year should be "the year" as Golden's classes would be juniors and seniors.

 

[losdogcane]

I'm prepared to wait till "**** freezes over".
I have no choice, I'm a CANE for life!
Would rather it take less time though.

 

[RiDLer80]

OMG this is so frustrating.

Our talent base doesn't lend itself to this bull**** scheme they want to run. Adapt you stubborn ********!

 

[TotesMagotes]

What can we expect next year then?

IMO, another year of mediocrity.

Here is the schedule:
FL A&M
Ark St
@ Neb
Cinci
Duke
FL St
UNC
Pitts
Ga Tech
Louisville
UVA
VaTech

Conservatively, I would think Nebraska and FL State are losses. They play 7 other ACC games, hopefully they can go 5-2. FL A&M, Ark St and Cinci are wins. I think 8-4 is a realistic expectation. Trust me, I dont want the team to end up 8-4 and be playing for a medicore level bowl game. With that being said, I think Golden deserves some time to build this team without the NCAA cloud.

Neb is a win. Lock.

That early season against a fraud non conf team that gets everyone excited.

Come on we do this every year.

 

[JHallCanes]

At this point I hope it only takes 5 years

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Fans like some of the dudes in here are the reason the program's expectations have fallen to where they are now at.

 

[Dandycane]

5 year rebuild boyzzzzzzz. I said it when Randall left his stink bomb for others to sanitize.

I say it again to all the young dreamers who watch to many 1980's and 2001 Cane replays in their heads.

It's unclear what you and Sebastian91 are suggesting. I'm not asking for you to speak for him, but are you suggesting we just sit tight and accept whatever is coming to us? Stay the course/process?

Absolutely stay the course, with necessary staff changes along the way. I will be disappointed if AG doesnt dump Dno. However, repairing our recruiting pipeline and getting players in here is priority number 1 for the next couple of years.

 

[DutchieFlair]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ogs_NsXh58

 

[The Franchise]

Able, at this point, if you could assure me that we'd be back to competing for NCs on a regular basis in year 6, then I'd gladly sit back and swallow all the **** we're swallowing now until year 6.

The only problem with this year 5 or 6 scenario is that it's completely hope-based. There's no actual indicators that it's going to happen. We have improved talent and experience this year, but we're still in the same quagmire we were in last year defensively. We're not making the type of progress that would lead anyone to reasonably believe that in 2 years we'll be competing for NCs. The only reason we're even thinking that way is because it has happened here before, and we're hoping it happens again.

The way I look at stuff like this is simple. Just because it's not happening yet doesn't mean it's going to happen later.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Able, at this point, if you could assure me that we'd be back to competing for NCs on a regular basis in year 6, then I'd gladly sit back and swallow all the **** we're swallowing now until year 6.

The only problem with this year 5 or 6 scenario is that it's completely hope-based. There's no actual indicators that it's going to happen. We have improved talent and experience this year, but we're still in the same quagmire we were in last year defensively. We're not making the type of progress that would lead anyone to reasonably believe that in 2 years we'll be competing for NCs. The only reason we're even thinking that way is because it has happened here before, and we're hoping it happens again.

The way I look at stuff like this is simple. Just because it's not happening yet doesn't mean it's going to happen later.

It'll be very interesting to see how the team finishes up these last three games.

Also, Golden now has more than enough data to determine the root cause of the defensive issues.

I don't expect wholesale changes, but I do think we'll see adjustments going forward.

 

[sebastian91]

Most people are not expecting us to be at championship level or even really battling against those types right now. That much was obvious before the season when they needed to go out and get Renfro to play their style of Nose. However, are you really saying that anything that happens in the meanwhile is not even acknowledged as a data point? Not even the positive stuff?

You can use whatever you want ('indicators') to formulate your own projections, but the only 'data points' that can be used to answer your questions are the actual data points from year 5.

Do you look at scenarios now - narrow and broad decisions, results, philosophy - and take anything away or do you simply tell yourself "I'm going to wait until year 5 to make any judgments?"

There are infinite possibilities of events that can happen between now and year 5. Using the past to predict the future is a dangerous game.

With stuff like that, I'll keep the possibility open that you are actually Coach Golden. Yes, "using the past to predict the future is a dangerous game," but not using current events that need to be looked at is also dangerous.

In another thread, you state that "our coaches need to do better with what they have." I take that to mean they're not currently doing so.

Despite what you mentioned regarding fan impatience, Butch made changes. We didn't go in a straight line from Year 1 of rebuilding to Year 6 of greatness. Things happened. There were data points used to make decisions. We didn't just "wait" for our talent to mature.

So on one end it sounds like you suggest patience and on another end your comments (and comparison to Butch) sound like you think some changes need to be made. I don't know if it's intentional, but it comes across as convenient or, in the alternative, unclear.

Butch made changes after year 4. AG is the only one capable of knowing when and how to make changes. We are not. His job depends on his decisions he makes, and he'll be judged on the results of those decisions. Simple as that.

 

[LuCane]

5 year rebuild boyzzzzzzz. I said it when Randall left his stink bomb for others to sanitize.

I say it again to all the young dreamers who watch to many 1980's and 2001 Cane replays in their heads.

It's unclear what you and Sebastian91 are suggesting. I'm not asking for you to speak for him, but are you suggesting we just sit tight and accept whatever is coming to us? Stay the course/process?

Absolutely stay the course, with necessary staff changes along the way. I will be disappointed if AG doesnt dump Dno. However, repairing our recruiting pipeline and getting players in here is priority number 1 for the next couple of years.

Some staff changes will presumably require a fundamental shift in philosophy. That's not what I consider staying the course. That's pivoting.

 

[LuCane]

You can use whatever you want ('indicators') to formulate your own projections, but the only 'data points' that can be used to answer your questions are the actual data points from year 5.

Do you look at scenarios now - narrow and broad decisions, results, philosophy - and take anything away or do you simply tell yourself "I'm going to wait until year 5 to make any judgments?"

There are infinite possibilities of events that can happen between now and year 5. Using the past to predict the future is a dangerous game.

With stuff like that, I'll keep the possibility open that you are actually Coach Golden. Yes, "using the past to predict the future is a dangerous game," but not using current events that need to be looked at is also dangerous.

In another thread, you state that "our coaches need to do better with what they have." I take that to mean they're not currently doing so.

Despite what you mentioned regarding fan impatience, Butch made changes. We didn't go in a straight line from Year 1 of rebuilding to Year 6 of greatness. Things happened. There were data points used to make decisions. We didn't just "wait" for our talent to mature.

So on one end it sounds like you suggest patience and on another end your comments (and comparison to Butch) sound like you think some changes need to be made. I don't know if it's intentional, but it comes across as convenient or, in the alternative, unclear.

Butch made changes after year 4. AG is the only one capable of knowing when and how to make changes. We are not. His job depends on his decisions he makes, and he'll be judged on the results of those decisions. Simple as that.

What does the year have to do with it? There isn't a hard line as to when adjustments should or can be made. Golden can assess after year 3 that there's a problem. Whether or not we are capable of knowing when to make changes, we are certainly capable of discussing it on a message board. If you don't like that concept, I'm not sure what I can tell you. As for the rest of your post, I think pretty much everyone already knows that. Your platitudes may be "simple," but contradict the purpose of a message board. If you are here to discourage discussion, you've come to the wrong place. If you wish, I'll gladly point you toward sites that may be better suited to your disposition. That's as simply as I can put it.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Perhaps an elite coach like Saban would've had this thing rolling in year 2 or 3, but this is the hand we were dealt. It took Butch 6 years. I'm not comparing Golden or his situation to Butch (although there are some parallels). I'm just saying that regardless of the confluence of circumstances, it took 6 years.

I don't think we're contenders next year (unless Olsen wins the job and balls out like Johnny Football or something), but I think we'll be at that level in 2015 and definitely 2016 if Golden continues to recruit well.

I think the offense is going to thrive. There's just too much talent coming in, including probably the best O-line haul in the country. The wealth of playmakers on offense alone will keep the program from bottoming out.

Whether or not you find that acceptable, are you emotionally prepared for it? Because that's what's staring us in the face.

When Nick Saban took over Michigan State, they went on a 4-year probation, had zero bowl bans, and lost 9 total scholarships. MSU went on probation his second season in East Lansing. He was 25-22-1 his first 4 seasons at MSU. When he rolled in from the Brownies at age 44, there was no guarantee he would be what he is today.

BTW, Michigan State wanted to run Mark Dantonio out of East Lansing at the end of 2009. He then has back to back 11-win seasons. And this year he's about to win the Legends division. He was 18-17 at Cincinnati when he was hired. Funny business.

 

[Dghustla]

I hate these threads. Guy comes in here and Crowns Nick Saban as the end all be all answer. Only looking at the Finish product. Saban's first true head coaching gig, he coached as HC at Toledo for 1 season {9-2} before he ran off to be DC for the browns.

In 1995 he took over MSU. AFTER being in the coaching business for 23 YEARS. His records at MSU from 95-99 are 6-5,6-6,7-5,6-6,9-2

Then he bolted to LSU
Where from 2000-2004
8-4,10-3,8-5,BCS-TITLE,9-3

This stuff doesn't happen over night, and Saban's record outside of the BCS title year at LSU is not impressive compared to what he has accomplished now. He's also been given a muligan every year he's won a BCS title that no other team is given...but that's a whole different discussion.

Elite coaches become Elite coaches over time.

Golden is barely 20 years into the game. I don't know if he will become an Elite coach. But it will start with changing his defense and or his DC if he does that. He can be great if he is stubborn, he may not be given the opportunity to become great at Miami.

This was a train wreck when Golden took older. and prolly hindered his growth as a coach. But none the less we should never loose to Duke and never give up 500 yards to VaTech. I want to see steady improvement every year.

 

[RiDLer80]

Able's hope ****es me the **** off.

It shouldn't take 5 years to get players in place to run this scheme. Especially considering Golden's background is in defense. If he can't get his **** right by next year then he's obviously not the man for the job. If the defense is that reliant on fully developed players then it's not a sustainable method to win. If every player in your 2-deep has to be 3-4 year veterans then that's a problem.

You're not gonna keep the best players on defense for that long. You may have two years of them playing, maybe three if we get to where we want to be. Players in this scheme seem to need a redshirt just to begin to grasp the concepts (that's why freshmen have hardly played early these past two years). Also, with a redshirt they'll get one to two years of actual playing before they're eligible for the draft if they're talented. What happens when players leave early and they have to be replaced with a freshman or sophomore and they can't be trusted because the scheme is too complex or too physically demanding?

Our staff has shown already their unwillingness to change and adapt to their personnel. So can we expect vast highs and lows for years to come under this staff? If that's the case then they can bounce.

 

[zone3cane]

This program isnt building it's collapsing slowly like a JENGA Game.

Building has nothing to do w/ getting blown out by Duke

I'm sorry the rebuilding bs is just part of Al Golden's excuses 101.

 

[AUcane]

I totally get this rebuild taking 5-6 years. That's usually how long it takes.

That said, by year 5-6, I expect that rebuild to yield NCs or NC contention at the end of that rebuild - not 9-3/10-2 seasons.

 

[zone3cane]

I totally get this rebuild taking 5-6 years. That's usually how long it takes.

That said, by year 5-6, I expect that rebuild to yield NCs or NC contention at the end of that rebuild - not 9-3/10-2 seasons.

Who is willing to give Al Golden 5-6 years to "rebuild"??? seriously, thats not how long it takes to rebuild.

This is Jimbos 4th year as the HC at FSU, his 3rd year they won the Orange Bowl, and this year they are on pace to play in the National Title game... that's rebuilding.

Nick Saban in his 1st year went 7-6. 2nd year lost to Utah in the Sugar Bowl, and 3rd year won the National Title at Bama.... that's rebuilding.


Golden doesnt deserve 5-6 years to rebuild, what has he ever done to deserve that type of leeway?... so in 6 years Miami will be able to win the Coastal? c'mon get serious if Golden needs 5-6 years to turn Miami into a team that can stay inside the top 25, then he's not the guy.

If Miami cant beat Duke or win the Coastal this year, then Miami wont be **** in year 5 under him either.

 

[RiDLer80]

This is the easiest schedule Miami has had in how long? The Coastal was gifted to us twice and they still blew it. TWICE!

Duke is about to join Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech and Wake Forest as schools that have all beaten Miami to the ACCCG. This is Golden's third ******* year and he lost to Duke!

This is lower than any point of Coker or Shannon's tenures. They never lost to Duke. **** this losing *** *****. Get him the **** away from this program with his MAC attitude of moral victories and bowl games are successes. **** him and his man-slave.