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Yeah I expect Miami to roll but the secondary looked shaky in week 1. This reminds me of when Toledo came here in 2017. Woodside threw for 348 yards and 3 TDs to 3 **** good WRs. The only time we made it easier for a QB was when we let Kelly Bryant start the game 17-17 or something like that.
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I feel as tho this game will go down like that Toledo game in 2017. We let them score a bit but ultimately we overwhelm them and win with a margin that looks better on paper
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The difference between this year and last year is that Frank Ponce came back to Boone from Louisville. He is running, at least it looks like to me, a combination of what had been run at App since 2014, what was run at Louisville with Hawkins and Atwell, and what Drinkwitz ran at NC State, App State, and is now running at Mizzou. App planned on using the Drinkwitz play book last year with Tony Peterson but COVID scrubbed those plans and it looked like they were running the most basic and predictable App State offense I'd probably ever seen; not that it was unusual last year with new staff's or coordinators.
As for Chase, he was not Duke's problem last year. This was all but confirmed when Duke just lost to Charlotte while App put a beat down on ECU, who is quite a bit better than Charlotte. App may not have "4 Star" guys like Duke has, and the average recruiting rankings even show Duke ahead of App, but watch both teams and tell me who is the more talented team. Brice completed more deep passes against ECU than he completed all of last year for Duke. Transferring in to a program like Duke who didn't even want to have their athletics play last year is a tough gig. It showed for everyone on that team. The fact he completed 20 of 25 passes against you all despite having only 1.5 seconds to throw every time he dropped back says a lot about him, in my opinion. Many look at that as a negative but I thought he played well within the context of how his entire team played.
One thing to keep in mind is that App beat UNC and USC in 2019. Many players that either started or contributed to those wins are still at App. I got shades of 2019 when App was about to take their run against ECU to 40-3 at the start of the 4th quarter but a bad play call on coverage defense resulted in Chase throwing a pick in the end zone, mind you App was up 33-9 and had been on a 33-3 run from the 1st quarter to that point.
Two players to watch for App, mostly for your purposes, are Northwestern guys Nate Noel and Demetrius Taylor. Against UNC, Taylor had 2.5 sacks, a forced fumble, a touchdown, and an interception. Nate Noel is probably 5'9 195 lbs but runs like he's 215. It must be the Miami Northwestern culture but those guys both play bigger than their measurables. App's starting running back is actually Cam Peoples and he's a big dude at 6'2 225 lbs. He runs a little high but neither him nor Noel went down on first contact once against ECU. I don't expect that streak to continue but it is something to keep in mind.
Defensively, you're looking at probably four sure fire NFL guys in Nick Hampton (31), D'Marco Jackson (52), Sean Jolly (8) and Demetrius "Meech" Taylor (9). A fifth guy that will get NFL Scouts attention is OLB/ILB Brenden Harrington. App runs a 3-4 base and will mix up back end numbers depending on what the offense is doing. On third down you're likely to see two down linemen with speed guys standing to confuse the QB into knowing who is blitzing and who is dropping. The benefit here is that all of those speed guys can cover as well as get around offensive linemen.
Offensively, App's offense line is quite a bit bigger than they were in 2016. That 2016 line saw two guys go on to the NFL in Colby Gossett and Parker Collins. Guys to watch on offense include running backs Cam Peoples (6), Nate Noel (20), Jahmir Smith, a ND transfer RB who wasn't able to go last week. App has three receivers likely to be drafted or get camp invites in Corey Sutton, a former Kansas State guy, Thomas Hennigan who you'll see if you watch the ECU game, Jalin Virgil and Malik Williams. I suspect you will see most of App's two-deep at receiver in this game as well considering they are all capable now. I expect the 2nd teamers to come in to spell the starters and maybe just as a function to bring a different speed element on sweeps, crossing routes, and post patterns that will work off of play action. Any time Miami goes single high safety, if the offensive line can block and pick-up blitzes, I'd expect to see some deep shots.
What do I expect to happen? I don't know. It could be a Miami blowout if the players execute as Miami is obviously the more talented team top to bottom. But football isn't about straight up talent, it's about match-ups, coaching, and scheming. I think App's coaching staff is as good as Miami's staff is personally, and I like App's scheme to neutralize some of Miami's advantages in size on offense. If App comes in and wins big plays, manages the clock, and avoids turnovers, I suspect the game will be close going in to the end. If there are turnovers and App can't get a few big plays on offense, it's going to be a long day.
The primary difference between 2016 and today is that most of App's second team guys would be starting for that 2016 team. So the depth we bring is of higher quality, more experience, bigger, faster, stronger, etc. It's going to be needed in Miami. Also, the game isn't going to be a huge event in Boone that acts as a distraction during the week. This will be business as usual.
However it isn't going to be like 2016 where we were bubble screened to death. It isn't going to be like 2016 where we were bubble screened to death. I swear, it better not be like 2016 where we were bubble screened to death. Also, this App team is better than UAB, FIU, and Louisiana Tech. App played UAB in 2019 to close the season and finished the game on a 31-3 run which is pretty close to the score you all won by in 2020. Obviously year to year there are differences but I wouldn't mistake App State for a lowly C-USA team.
The Walton run was a product of poor tackling. AJ Howard comes in and turns his back. If he comes in and wraps up, Walton is down with a 2 yard gain. The bubble screen **** was a product of App not being ready on what Miami was going to do offensively considering Richt had just begun calling plays again. It was obvious that the defense wasn't adequately prepared going in to that game. One would have to figure out if taking No. 9 Tennessee to OT was the aberration or if the Miami loss was the aberration. I'm inclined to believe it was the Miami game.
What took our souls was when the Marcus Cox touchdown run was called back. I told you all he would have 100 yards rushing in one half, and with that run, he had 109 yards on like 9 carries. Then he got hurt that play and a bogus holding call from the worst Ref in the ACC was called. When Cox went down, the game was probably over considering App didn't have the type of depth at the position that we now have. Nevertheless, the score was only 24-10 midway through the 3rd quarter.
Regardless, I doubt the game this weekend turns out the same way.
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I think you're going to be very disappointed. Everybody wants to judge this team by the Bama game, that's a mistake.
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You’re lucky if you can find it at 8. Opened at 6 and already 8.5-10 across vegas and offshore books I’ve seen. It will get to 10 before there’s some by back
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When Walton scored it was a collective bubble being popped. You could hear a pin drop.
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God that bubble screen bs richt pulled was hilarious. He just kept running it and they didn’t stop it once
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I remember doing the same to GT in 2017. Bubbles to Berrios up the field lol
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Reading what the App State fans post, here and on their forum, you’d think they were some big time P5 program. Funny enough, one of their posters even cited this thread on their boards.
All in all, nothing about this app state team causes any concern. They were supposed to be talented and ready in 2016 and they got run over. They’re definitely a solid team and program, especially for their size & location. I have no doubt that they’re well coached and that they play well within their division. This isn’t the sunbelt though. On the surface they’re more talented than 2016, but having a few more talented guys that could start in the P5 isn’t going to cut it. This also isn’t the Miami team of 2019, which lost to two G5’s and didn’t have a QB or a kicker. It is true that we did get smashed by the gods of college football last week, but trying to derive some takeaways from that game to apply to this one isn’t logical.
The game could be competitive, but my view is that it won’t be overall. Maybe it’ll be competitive for a quarter or two, but we’ll ultimately win by a few scores. If we don’t, then it’s going to be a huge red flag for Manny.
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Exactly. They’re a good sunbelt program. That and a dollar gets you a cup of coffee. They’re probably deeper and more talented than they were in 2016 but we are too. That 2016 Miami team wasn’t particularly great either. It’s probably not going to be a runaway blowout but it’s not going to be competitive with either.
I mean, App did beat the same UNC team that you all lost to in 2019. App has now been recruiting in FBS for a full seven seasons, whereas in 2016 it had been three, so many starters were recruited as FCS guys.
I also didn't take anything away from the Alabama game in regards to Miami. The right end of your line is going to be an issue you have to deal with all season though.
And you're welcome for Zion Nelson. He was an App State commit at one point and is now your best offensive lineman. Can imagine there are a few more guys like that on App's roster that didn't make it to Miami.