AP ACC Breakout Players to Look Out For in 2018 - QB Malik Rosier

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Re-read what you just wrote, then ask yourself if we’re talking about individual NFL success or collegiate team success. When you answer that question honestly you’ll understand why your argument fails. Almost all collegiate QBs never play a meaningful down in the NFL, even the championship and award winners. The NFL is where the elite QB, maybe one a year on average, has a successful transition. Most of the other 8 or so that get drafted will never play. Of course those who do succeed will have elite accuracy. They have to, because everything I just said applies to every other position. DB, for example. Almost every team we play has 1 or fewer guys who will go on to be successful DBs in the NFL, so you don’t have to be as accurate in college. Almost all the LBs we face can not run or tackle well enough to play on Sunday. On and on.

For these reasons, trying to use a metric shown to predict individual success in the NFL as a predictor of collegiate team success is silly. Literally all of the other variables in the equation are different.

You think the metric of qb accuracy (completion percentage) is irrelevant in college. I don't. More importantly, you think Rosier should be the starter in 2018. I don't. I think Rosier's inaccuracy will get him pulled by Richt during the season. Richt's frustration with Rosier's inability to make accurate throws when Richt had perfectly designed plays and WRs running wide open down field was obvious in 2017. Richt was exceedingly patient because he didn't have a better option. Rosier doesn't get that rope this year, his accuracy will continue to be poor (stats again- he didn't improve towards the end of the year as he got more experience), and he will get pulled.

If you think accuracy has nothing to do with success of a qb in college then you should expect Rosier to be the qb at the end of the season, and should have no problem making the bet. $100 that if Rosier is the starter game 1, he doesn't finish the season as the starting qb. Are you going to take the bet or not?
 
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I initially suspected all the multiple pro-Rosier posters were actually just one person creating multiple accounts. Surely, no rational person could have watched every game last season and come out believing that the erratic qb play we saw was good enough to win a championship. Couldn't see the IP addresses, but saw that the vast majority of the pro Rosier crowd created accounts in 2017. If there are posters who created accounts before 2017 who think Rosier should be the starter next year, I'd be interested in learning why.

This site attracts lots of bandwagon fans. New account in 2017 but not a bandwagon fan? Good for you.

You will see when Miami has a losing streak new accounts suddenly popping up and spamming the board. Ain't one of 'em? Neato.
Fair enough, i put more "truck" in a gamer than a technician.
Malik didn't win the war, but some of the battles were magnificent. It's why I watch & love football.
To put a football teams success in one metric is short sighted. Way too many intangibles come into play during a season.
Holding by opposing offenses?
Not one missed FG by the opponents? ALL season?
Looking forward to this season like no other in recent memory..
 
You think the metric of qb accuracy (completion percentage) is irrelevant in college. I don't. More importantly, you think Rosier should be the starter in 2018. I don't. I think Rosier's inaccuracy will get him pulled by Richt during the season. Richt's frustration with Rosier's inability to make accurate throws when Richt had perfectly designed plays and WRs running wide open down field was obvious in 2017. Richt was exceedingly patient because he didn't have a better option. Rosier doesn't get that rope this year, his accuracy will continue to be poor (stats again- he didn't improve towards the end of the year as he got more experience), and he will get pulled.

If you think accuracy has nothing to do with success of a qb in college then you should expect Rosier to be the qb at the end of the season, and should have no problem making the bet. $100 that if Rosier is the starter game 1, he doesn't finish the season as the starting qb. Are you going to take the bet or not?

Why would I gamble on a position that I have not taken? When did I assert that Rosier would start game 1? When did I say he would start every game? When did I ever even say Rosier was accurate?

You have problems, kid, and they ain't minor. One of them is on display right there in your first paragraph where you try to substitute what you know with what you think. Mark Richt saw every play that you saw last season from many more angles on state of the art equipment with a team of professional coaching assistants and staffers there to help break down every minute detail. Rosier started last season, remains the currently named starting QB, and will remain as such for as long as Mark Richt believes he gives us the best chance to win and for no other reason. PERIOD. To **** with what you think, this is what I know, and it takes a fool to gamble on a 3rd party's evaluation and opinion, especially when you've only been privy to not even a tenth of the data that has gone into his evaluation process.

I don't think accuracy is irrelevant in college. I know that accuracy is not an on/off, either/or condition. I know this because we measure it in percentages rather than yes/no. You're getting smoked in this debate because you read somewhere that 58.5% is the "cut-off" when determining whether a player is good enough to play and succeed in the NFL. Ain't a **** sole on this board but you trying to argue whether or not Malik Rosier is good enough to play in the NFL. Your article is irrelevant to the discussion, and the fact that you can't see this and continue to reference it just makes you look like an idiot.
 
Why would I gamble on a position that I have not taken? When did I assert that Rosier would start game 1? When did I say he would start every game? When did I ever even say Rosier was accurate?

You have problems, kid, and they ain't minor. One of them is on display right there in your first paragraph where you try to substitute what you know with what you think. Mark Richt saw every play that you saw last season from many more angles on state of the art equipment with a team of professional coaching assistants and staffers there to help break down every minute detail. Rosier started last season, remains the currently named starting QB, and will remain as such for as long as Mark Richt believes he gives us the best chance to win and for no other reason. PERIOD. To **** with what you think, this is what I know, and it takes a fool to gamble on a 3rd party's evaluation and opinion, especially when you've only been privy to not even a tenth of the data that has gone into his evaluation process.

I don't think accuracy is irrelevant in college. I know that accuracy is not an on/off, either/or condition. I know this because we measure it in percentages rather than yes/no. You're getting smoked in this debate because you read somewhere that 58.5% is the "cut-off" when determining whether a player is good enough to play and succeed in the NFL. Ain't a **** sole on this board but you trying to argue whether or not Malik Rosier is good enough to play in the NFL. Your article is irrelevant to the discussion, and the fact that you can't see this and continue to reference it just makes you look like an idiot.

So your entire bullsh#t post above is because I posted an article that says 58.5% is what NFL teams determined is the minimal completion rating to be successful in the NFL.

Your response is "I know that accuracy is not an on/off, either/or condition. I know this because we measure it in percentages rather than yes/no."

That is quite literally one of the dumbest, most convoluted things I have ever read here.

We measure accuracy in completion percentages. NFL teams look at those percentages and make a yes / no determination. I did the same when looking at Rosier's numbers for determining if he will be successful in college. Because of his inaccuracy I think 2017 was a fluke year and if he is the starter all season next year he won't win 10 games again.

I'm willing to put money on it that I'm right, you don't have the balls to stand by your opinion.


Most teams in the NFL could give two sh#ts about moxy or being clutch if a QB doesn't hit 58.5% of his passes. Why is that the very first number they look at? Because in the NFL you can't run an offense if the qb can't consistently move the chains and make accurate passes on 3rd down, when a defense is waiting for a pass.

Rosier is so far away from that number it's scary. 51.6% percent is abysmal. In the NFL they would take one look at his completion percentage and say "nope, can't keep the chains moving." Rosier was second to last in completion and dead last in interceptions in the ACC. Miami was 125 out of 129 in third down conversions in large part because Rosier can't complete accurate passes.

I said that the stats lead me to believe that our record will be worse next year if Rosier is the starter. If Rosier had been a 62% passer then I would predict the record would stay the same or improve even if he dropped a few percentage points in 2018 because Rosier would have met my yes /no criteria for accuracy and could be reasonably depended on to make important throws at the right time, even if he misses a few more passes than he did in 2017.

Since his completion percentage was so low, the fact that we finished with 10 wins leads me to believe that he got some lucky bounces, and next year he won't be as lucky.

I believe Richt will make the same yes / no determination I did at some point in 2018 and realize he can't run his offense and win with Rosier's accuracy hovering near 50%.

Again, $100 bet that if Rosier starts the season as qb he doesn't finish it. Take the bet or continue being a pu$$y. Since you haven't had the balls to accept the bet after I've proposed it multiple times, I suspect that even if you accepted it now you will disappear when it comes time to pay up. So here's my pledge, if you lose- and you will- then disappear, I'll make a $100 donation to the Boys and Girls Club of Miami or any other S. Florida Kids charity that the board suggests. I'll just make sure that the memo line in my check reads "Paid on behalf of nutless coward."
 
Why would I gamble on a position that I have not taken? When did I assert that Rosier would start game 1? When did I say he would start every game? When did I ever even say Rosier was accurate?

You have problems, kid, and they ain't minor. One of them is on display right there in your first paragraph where you try to substitute what you know with what you think. Mark Richt saw every play that you saw last season from many more angles on state of the art equipment with a team of professional coaching assistants and staffers there to help break down every minute detail. Rosier started last season, remains the currently named starting QB, and will remain as such for as long as Mark Richt believes he gives us the best chance to win and for no other reason. PERIOD. To **** with what you think, this is what I know, and it takes a fool to gamble on a 3rd party's evaluation and opinion, especially when you've only been privy to not even a tenth of the data that has gone into his evaluation process.

I don't think accuracy is irrelevant in college. I know that accuracy is not an on/off, either/or condition. I know this because we measure it in percentages rather than yes/no. You're getting smoked in this debate because you read somewhere that 58.5% is the "cut-off" when determining whether a player is good enough to play and succeed in the NFL. Ain't a **** sole on this board but you trying to argue whether or not Malik Rosier is good enough to play in the NFL. Your article is irrelevant to the discussion, and the fact that you can't see this and continue to reference it just makes you look like an idiot.


For someone who proclaims to be so intelligent, the correct word is soul not sole.
 
For someone who proclaims to be so intelligent, the correct word is soul not sole.
Dude I typed all of that on my phone, and you find one typo. Do you honestly think that I don't know the difference between the two? That I can't differentiate between the bottom of a shoe and the human immortal spirit?
 
I believe Richt will make the same yes / no determination I did at some point

Yes, we're all awaiting the day for Mark Richt to figure something out that you figured out a long time ago. Did we hire our 10th assistant yet? Are you available? Send Blake James your wikipedia page.
 
I'm willing to put money on it that I'm right, you don't have the balls to stand by your opinion.

You don't know what my opinion is. You're an immature lunatic that read an article and think that it gives you some exclusive insight...and now you're begging somebody to argue with that opinion, as if it were your own rather than a regurgitation, by you, of the opinions of better, smarter people.

My opinion has never been that Rosier is accurate, will start, or should remain the starter, but rather that Richt will start the person he believes gives us the best chance to win. I don't care who that happens to be. You on the other hand seem to think you know because you read an article that you don't quite understand, and that Rosier is below 58.5%, that he will at some point be benched. Maybe. It could happen. One of the other guys could simply prove to be the better option. Malik could get injured. It's a long season.

Many factors go into who is selected to be the starter, and accuracy is only one of those. It's been repeated ad nauseam that Williams has been the most accurate in camp, yet moved his freshman *** right back to 4th team the second Cade Weldon was over pink-eye. You've put all this effort into lobbying the point that accuracy is the most critical factor, yet the most accurate guy is currently 4th while the two least accurate are 1 and 2. Either Mark Richt is a fool who doesn't understand the proper hierarchy of qualifying quarterback criteria, or you are the fool trying to oversimplify a complex decision that you do not possess the capacity to understand. I don't know who Richt will name, so I'm not about to wager it, and I'm certainly not foolish enough to think that whoever becomes the starter will remain the starter.

I don't know why you think my opinion is that I know who the starter is going to be, what specific criteria will be used by Richt to make the decision, or whether he will change his mind over the course of a 13 or 14 game season as I have never stated anything to that effect, but have, in fact, spoken to the contrary multiple times.

Take your $100 and go see a doctor. Or stick it in your ***, but I recommend the doctor.
 
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You don't know what my opinion is. You're an immature lunatic that read an article and think that it gives you some exclusive insight...and now you're begging somebody to argue with that opinion, as if it were your own rather than a regurgitation, by you, of the opinions of better, smarter people.

My opinion has never been that Rosier is accurate, will start, or should remain the starter, but rather that Richt will start the person he believes gives us the best chance to win. I don't care who that happens to be. You on the other hand seem to think you know because you read an article that you don't quite understand, and that Rosier is below 58.5%, that he will at some point be benched. Maybe. It could happen. One of the other guys could simply prove to be the better option. Malik could get injured. It's a long season.

Many factors go into who is selected to be the starter, and accuracy is only one of those. It's been repeated ad nauseam that Williams has been the most accurate in camp, yet moved his freshman *** right back to 4th team the second Cade Weldon was over pink-eye. You've put all this effort into lobbying the point that accuracy is the most critical factor, yet the most accurate guy is currently 4th while the two least accurate are 1 and 2. Either Mark Richt is a fool who doesn't understand the proper hierarchy of qualifying quarterback criteria, or you are the fool trying to oversimplify a complex decision that you do not possess the capacity to understand. I don't know who Richt will name, so I'm not about to wager it, and I'm certainly not foolish enough to think that whoever becomes the starter will remain the starter.

I don't know why you think my opinion is that I know who the starter is going to be, what specific criteria will be used by Richt to make the decision, or whether he will change his mind over the course of a 13 or 14 game season as I have never stated anything to that effect, but have, in fact, spoken to the contrary multiple times.

Take your $100 and go see a doctor. Or stick it in your ***, but I recommend the doctor.

"Richt will start the person he believes gives us the best chance to win." That's why I come here- to read hot takes like this. Yes I'm intentionally oversimplifying. I said I need to look at one metric- completion percentage- to determine who gives us the best chance to win. NFL teams use it, I'm using it. If Richt starts Rosier game 1 because he thinks Rosier gives him the best chance to win in 2018, I believe he will find out that Rosier was the wrong choice (because Rosier fails the accuracy test) and he won't let Rosier finish the season. Disagree? Think there is more to it? Then wager that I'm wrong.

This isn't some subjective test- either Rosier finishes the season as QB or he doesn't. If he doesn't finish the season as QB, it means Richt determined Rosier didn't give him the best chance to win. I'm saying today, May 15, it is obvious to me that Rosier doesn't give Miami the best chance to win because of his inaccuracy. Money talks, bullsh#t walks. You can't run away fast enough.

Tell you what, I'll double my proposition. If you win and Rosier starts and finishes the season as QB, not only will I pay you the $100, I'll still make the $100 donation to a South Florida kids charity. You can even decide what I put on the memo on the check. When I win and you disappear because you have no balls, I'll make the $100 donation on your nutless behalf. Either way, the kids win. Are you going to take the bet or just continue establishing your bona fides to the board that you are a nutless pseudo-intellectual?

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"Richt will start the person he believes gives us the best chance to win." That's why I come here- to read hot takes like this. Yes I'm intentionally oversimplifying. I said I need to look at one metric- completion percentage- to determine who gives us the best chance to win. NFL teams use it, I'm using it. If Richt starts Rosier game 1 because he thinks Rosier gives him the best chance to win in 2018, I believe he will find out that Rosier was the wrong choice (because Rosier fails the accuracy test) and he won't let Rosier finish the season. Disagree? Think there is more to it? Then wager that I'm wrong.

This isn't some subjective test- either Rosier finishes the season as QB or he doesn't. If he doesn't finish the season as QB, it means Richt determined Rosier didn't give him the best chance to win. I'm saying today, May 15, it is obvious to me that Rosier doesn't give Miami the best chance to win because of his inaccuracy. Money talks, bullsh#t walks. You can't run away fast enough.

Tell you what, I'll double my proposition. If you win and Rosier starts and finishes the season as QB, not only will I pay you the $100, I'll still make the $100 donation to a South Florida kids charity. You can even decide what I put on the memo on the check. When I win and you disappear because you have no balls, I'll make the $100 donation on your nutless behalf. Either way, the kids win. Are you going to take the bet or just continue establishing your bona fides to the board that you are a nutless pseudo-intellectual?
Are you able to make wagers & not relinquish anonymity?
Why not donate to the children regardless of what the other guy does?.
 
Are you able to make wagers & not relinquish anonymity?
Why not donate to the children regardless of what the other guy does?.

1. Good question. I don't know a **** thing about digital currency, but I think I can anonymously bitcoin that chode some money so he can buy himself a *** change operation and get some balls. Or maybe one of the non anonymous people like the staff writers, I'll PayPal them $105, they can keep $5 as the escrow handling fee and then PayPal LooseVagina from their accounts. I figure someone knows how to do it and can tell me how.

2. I always donate to the kids. I'm just donating an extra $100.
 
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Tell you what, I'll double my proposition. If you win and Rosier starts and finishes the season as QB, not only will I pay you the $100, I'll still make the $100 donation to a South Florida kids charity.

I have a better proposal. Hows about I raise the wager to $1,000, but only if you can quote where I even implied in this thread that Rosier was going to be the starter for the entire season.
 
I have a better proposal. Hows about I raise the wager to $1,000, but only if you can quote where I even implied in this thread that Rosier was going to be the starter for the entire season.

I don't care if you said the moon is made of cheese. In your pseudo intellectual garbage you hedged all your positions so you can't be held to account. No squirming out of this one. It's a direct and simple proposition:

Rosier finishes next season as qb. Yes or no.

You said you never said blah blah blah. I don't care about your jabroni nonsense. Get off the fence and make a **** decision.

You don't want to bet money, fine, I can almost respect that. Either way answer the question and stop being a pu$$y: Yes or No. Rosier finishes the season as the starting qb.
 
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I don't care if you said the moon is made of cheese. In your pseudo intellectual garbage you hedged all your positions so you can't be held to account. No squirming out of this one. It's a direct and simple proposition:

Rosier finishes next season as qb. Yes or no.

You said you never said blah blah blah. I don't care about your jabroni nonsense. Get off the fence and make a **** decision.

You don't want to bet money, fine, I can almost respect that. Either way answer the question and stop being a pu$$y: Yes or No. Rosier finishes the season as qb.
I'm not on a fence, you ******* retarded ba$tard, and I don't give a **** about your respect. I've earned enough respect for two life times. My position has been crystal clear. You wrongly stated that Oklahoma dropped a "wildly inaccurate" Trevor Knight that had lead them to two consecutive 11-2, top 5 seasons in favor of Baker Mayfield, because of accuracy. This was completely false. Blake Bell was the starter in 2013 until he was injured against Iowa State. Knight started the following game, but he and Bell split reps in the final game vs. OStU. Knight then led the Sooners to a bowl win over Alabama, throwing for 72% and 348 yards--hardly what you'd call wildly inaccurate.

Knight then started 10 games in 2014, going 6-4 on 56.6%. Cody Thomas stepped in two games due to injury.

Baker Mayfield started all 13 games in both 2015 and 2016, and all 14 in 2017. Trevor Knight never once led the Sooners to an 11 win season, a false statement you've tried to use to draw a similarity between Knight and Rosier in order to imply that Oklahoma set a precedent for replacing an 11-3 Sr. QB with an unknown quantity on the sole basis of accuracy.

You built your whole argument on a fallacy. The **** literally never happened. Then you tried to back up your incorrect statement with some irrelevant article regarding completion percentages and NFL success. You got called out on it, and now you've spent the better part of 6 pages on this board trying to deflect from that by doing everything from claiming that people are just disagreeing with you because they are bandwagon fans, defending Rosier, or are pu$$ies.

You're wrong, *****. You've been wrong from the beginning. Now man the fvck up and take this L.
 
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I'm not on a fence, you ******* retarded ba$tard, and I don't give a **** about your respect. I've earned enough respect for two life times. My position has been crystal clear. You wrongly stated that Oklahoma dropped a "wildly inaccurate" Trevor Knight that had lead them to two consecutive 11-2, top 5 seasons in favor of Baker Mayfield, because of accuracy. This was completely false. Blake Bell was the starter in 2013 until he was injured against Iowa State. Knight started the following game, but he and Bell split reps in the final game vs. OStU. Knight then led the Sooners to a bowl win over Alabama, throwing for 72% and 348 yards--hardly what you'd call wildly inaccurate.

Knight then started 10 games in 2014, going 6-4 on 56.6%. Cody Thomas stepped in two games due to injury.

Baker Mayfield started all 13 games in both 2015 and 2016, and all 14 in 2017. Trevor Knight never once led the Sooners to an 11 win season, a false statement you've tried to use to draw a similarity between Knight and Rosier in order to imply that Oklahoma set a precedent for replacing an 11-3 Sr. QB with an unknown quantity on the sole basis of accuracy.

You built your whole argument on a fallacy. The **** literally never happened. Then you tried to back up your incorrect statement with some irrelevant article regarding completion percentages and NFL success. You got called out on it, and now you've spent the better part of 6 pages on this board trying to deflect from that by doing everything from claiming that people are just disagreeing with you because they are bandwagon fans, defending Rosier, or are pu$$ies.

You're wrong, *****. You've been wrong from the beginning. Now man the fvck up and take this L.

Blake Bell was the starter in 2013 until injured at Iowa State?

That's interesting.

"Bob Stoops names Trevor Knight starting quarterback."
Oklahoma football: Bob Stoops names Trevor Knight starting quarterback

Hey let's see who started the opener against Louisiana Monroe.
Louisiana Monroe vs. Oklahoma - Box Score - August 31, 2013 - ESPN

Oh hey, that's Trevor Knight as the starter. Weird.

If your position has been crystal clear, then you shouldn't need to continue avoiding the question.

Rosier finishes season as starting QB. Yes or No.
 
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If your position has been crystal clear, then you shouldn't need to continue avoiding the question.

Rosier finishes season as starting QB. Yes or No.
I don't know. I don't know if Rosier starts the season. I don't know if Rosier makes it through summer workouts and fall camp without going down due to injury or illness. I don't know that if he starts the LSU game that he finishes that game, let alone the entire season. I don't care either. I hope that if he is not performing or gets injured or falls ill that we have a suitable replacement. I don't know why you're having such a hard time understanding this--well, I do. You're ******* stupid--, but you don't know **** either. You think that because you read an article about accuracy, that if Richt does decide to start someone else, he'll be basing the decision solely on that one criteria. Bull****. We run a balanced offense. Only on 50% of the snaps will QB accuracy ever even enter into the equation, and Rosier completes a pass on over half of those.

You've never once seen any of the other four guys operate in live action. You don't know **** about their accuracy, moxie, football IQ, play recognition, or grasp of defensive coverage concepts. You're making a wild *** ******* guess based on a god**** article, and you're stupid enough to bet money on it. It's literally a coin flip whether any player ever finishes a season. You are that stupid.

Well I'm not. I have no idea what's going to happen. What I do know is that Trevor Knight never led Oklahoma to 11 wins, plenty of sub-60% guys have had successful--even championship, award winning--seasons in college, and even more 60%+ guys have failed to succeed in or even make it to the NFL. That has been my position all along. Yours has been built on a lie you tried to pass over to support your position hoping nobody would notice, and when they did you started pounding your chest like an autistic baboon and calling people pu$$ies.
 
You can win the lottery too if you play enough times. Doesn't mean it's a sound retirement strategy. Also, your example proved the point of the article. Dorsey was a terrible NFL qb. You offered up what is known as a statistical outlier.

Yes, it is possible for an inaccurate qb to win a college championship. It is also possible that the fact that Ken Dorsey was the qb for what is widely considered to be the most talented team in the history of college football might have played a tiny part in explaining how an inaccurate qb won a national title. You are getting emotional about your qbs instead of looking at the numbers. You can believe in your heart of hearts that Rosier is going to be the next Ken Dorsey and be the exception to the rule that accuracy is the greatest predictor of success; I'll trust the odds. You can take Rosier, I'll take the field.

I do happen to think that Rosier CAN be the qb on a winning team if he serves as a caretaker qb and doesn't turn the ball over, Miami dominates with the run game, and fields a smothering defense. I don't believe Miami has the OL to establish a power run game, which is why that plan will fail. A dynamic qb can overcome those deficiencies.

Bottom line: given that the 2017 version of Rosier was very nearly dead last in the ACC in accuracy, it shouldn't be hard for another qb on the roster to play better than Rosier. If there isn't a more accurate QB on the roster, then Richt failed at recruiting and developing qbs. Perry should have been a shoo-in to start this year. Sounds like he is in 3rd or 4th place. That is a massive miss by Richt if Perry turns out to be a flop.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't agree more.

Cade nor Nkosi Perry are ready yet? Really?

But Rosier is? Two of Richts hand picked redshirted players aren't ready?

I refuse to believe this.
 
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