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anyone else starting to get usf vibes?

90scane said:
Offense is 2-3x better

Better OL, much better RBs, better QB, much better WRs.
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I think FSU's RBs are average, unless you're counting Lucas and Danzy as RBs, which I guess they are.

But Roydell Williams is garbage and is questionable, Kam Davis is out, Kromah is a true freshman, Sawchuk is JAG. None of those dudes scare me as far as taking over a game. It's a very far cry from Dalvin Cook, put it that way.

Their line and receivers are much better than USF though, for sure. USF doesn't have anyone even remotely as good as Robinson, and like I said I think Danzy and Lucas are more receivers than running backs, both scare me on end arounds and getting vertical in the passing game against backers. They have much more team speed than USF, with a better line, and at least as good a thrower. This is the best offense we've played so far, by a considerable margin.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
To be fair, the USF game was 28-6 at the half. They were kinda already buried. We scored TDs on 3 of our first 4 drives and it was 21-6 early in the 2nd quarter. I hear you, but I'm not going to kill the team for not burying someone in the 3rd quarter when we bury them from the opening kickoff.

ND was very disappointing the way we went into a shell, we've discussed this one ad nauseum.

The gator, the game was 20-0 early in the 3rd quarter. They were buried. I am still absolutely incensed about that bull**** call, but that game was 20-0, it was over, they were buried. But, even after that awful call, and we punted, we threw the ball on our next 4 snaps. First one was picked, then we got the ball back, and we threw the ball 3 times and punted. What disappointed me more than anything was just the presnap penalties that stunted multiple drives, as you mentioned. We can't beat ourselves Saturday night. Just like I said against UiF, if we play clean, we win this game by 2 scores. I'm not even saying our "A game", although that would be nice. Just don't turn it over, don't have backbreaking penalties on multiple drives.
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We are letting teams hang around and once again having issues in the second quarter when we have clear momentum

I don’t expect to play a game on PS5 and have some robotic domination victory every week but when we get the ball on that drive this week, we gotta finish and put FSU in a more one dimensional situation
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I think FSU's RBs are average, unless you're counting Lucas and Danzy as RBs, which I guess they are.

But Roydell Williams is garbage and is questionable, Kam Davis is out, Kromah is a true freshman, Sawchuk is JAG. None of those dudes scare me as far as taking over a game. It's a very far cry from Dalvin Cook, put it that way.

Their line and receivers are much better than USF though, for sure. USF doesn't have anyone even remotely as good as Robinson, and like I said I think Danzy and Lucas are more receivers than running backs, both scare me on end arounds and getting vertical in the passing game against backers. They have much more team speed than USF, with a better line, and at least as good a thrower. This is the best offense we've played so far, by a considerable margin.
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Kromah is a freshman? Kid has a good future. He is their guy IMO.
 
His passer rating is the highest it's ever been right now, completion percentage, he's 4th in the country in EPA/dropback, 23rd in success rate. He's played well this year.
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As a passer, against P5 competition, he's averaging 203 ypg 59% completion 1 TD and 2 INTs. The flip side is he's averaged 78 ypg on the ground. He's 17 yards away from being their leading rusher. If you contain him on the ground it will be tough for him to beat us.
 
Resolve yourself to the fact that FSU will come out sky high and give us trouble for about a half, then our overall superiority will take over, and we'll grind them down.
Had they romped UVA I might feel differently, but they reverted to the mean.
"They are who we thought they were."
 
JHallCanes said:
My only concern with this game is we’ve had a chance (this was also a HUGE issue last year) to step on a neck in all 3 big games this year and haven’t done it

ND wasn’t the end of the world because it’s just a **** good team with a lot of heart

But we had a chance to bury USF and UiF many times early in those games and didn’t do it

Can’t do that on the road if we get the chance here they’re talented enough to make us pay (like ND did). If we play our game I think this ends up a walk in the park but the offense has to get right on those critical drives. Turnovers and offensive line penalties have hurt.
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i thought we buried usf ...
 
No. FSU has more size on the lines, but no depth. USF has neither. Essentially, USF had no chance unless we helped them massively, like Florida did. Since we didn't the game was never in doubt.

This week, FSU doesn't need much help, so we can't afford to give them any early. UVA showed us where they're vulnerable. They got their RB in space, and FSU tackled poorly. Even when FSU got to them, they still tackled poorly. I doubt we have the same luck.

Castellanos has improved as a passer, but they guy cannot set his feet if he's under pressure.

The game for us comes down to early downs, and avoiding our mid game lull. They'll spread us out, and force us to make quick decisions. If we're focused, swarm to the ball, and get them in 3rd and long, we will win comfortably. If we let them win reps on the ground, it's a long evening. Regardless, we cannot let them hang around and go thru our series of 3 and outs. We have to limit their possessions. They're going to look for chunk plays, can't let one of those hit late in the game if it's close.
 
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JHallCanes said:
My only concern with this game is we’ve had a chance (this was also a HUGE issue last year) to step on a neck in all 3 big games this year and haven’t done it

ND wasn’t the end of the world because it’s just a **** good team with a lot of heart

But we had a chance to bury USF and UiF many times early in those games and didn’t do it

Can’t do that on the road if we get the chance here they’re talented enough to make us pay (like ND did). If we play our game I think this ends up a walk in the park but the offense has to get right on those critical drives. Turnovers and offensive line penalties have hurt.
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Outside of USF, agreed.

We blew a chip shot FG vs ND due to a bad snap. Then we took the foot off the gas after getting a lead.

We should have had a 16 or 17 point lead vs UF at half, easily. Sloppy passes, loss of focus, and lack of aggression kept the score from being much worse. Then we got a horrendous call to take away a TD.

We killed USF start to finish.

3 and outs need to be eliminated. Stalled drives at the 50 need to become FGs. Chip shot FGs need to become TDs.

We need a 60-minute performance against FSU. I'll take a win no matter how you slice it, but I want to see a strong 3rd quarter. No ******* around.
 
Brains said:
Outside of USF, agreed.

We blew a chip shot FG vs ND due to a bad snap. Then we took the foot off the gas after getting a lead.

We should have had a 16 or 17 point lead vs UF at half, easily. Sloppy passes, loss of focus, and lack of aggression kept the score from being much worse. Then we got a horrendous call to take away a TD.

We killed USF start to finish.

3 and outs need to be eliminated. Stalled drives at the 50 need to become FGs. Chip shot FGs need to become TDs.

We need a 60-minute performance against FSU. I'll take a win no matter how you slice it, but I want to see a strong 3rd quarter. No ******* around.
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@JHallCanes

Actually, **** that, 100% agreed with J Hall.

Beck threw a pick when we were up 28-6 and should have them deader at 31-6 at half. That can't happen.

He threw another sloppy pick but I can't recall the context. Given our offensive performance, that too likely took points off the board.

Should have been at least 52-12.

Unacceptable. We need to kill off games when we have the chance. We haven't done it.
 
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Brains said:
@JHallCanes

Actually, **** that, 100% agreed with J Hall.

Beck threw a pick when we were up 28-6 and should have them deader at 31-6 at half. That can't happen.

He threw another sloppy pick but I can't recall the context. Given our offensive performance, that too likely took points off the board.

Should have been at least 52-12.

Unacceptable. We need to kill off games when we have the chance. We haven't done it.
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My man

I’m not moping just saying we were up 28-6 and absolutely demolishing these guys and three drives in a row in the middle of the game:

INT
PUNT
INT

Now if that was a one off random thing ok…hey we got it done. To me it’s been like this in every game though. And tbh it happened a lot last year as well (the 2nd quarter inexplicable woes)

just saying big picture when we are in dog fights on the road against ACC teams this kinda thing seems to rear up is all

Let’s step on a neck this week
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I think FSU's RBs are average, unless you're counting Lucas and Danzy as RBs, which I guess they are.

But Roydell Williams is garbage and is questionable, Kam Davis is out, Kromah is a true freshman, Sawchuk is JAG. None of those dudes scare me as far as taking over a game. It's a very far cry from Dalvin Cook, put it that way.

Their line and receivers are much better than USF though, for sure. USF doesn't have anyone even remotely as good as Robinson, and like I said I think Danzy and Lucas are more receivers than running backs, both scare me on end arounds and getting vertical in the passing game against backers. They have much more team speed than USF, with a better line, and at least as good a thrower. This is the best offense we've played so far, by a considerable margin.
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The Notre Dame offense was handcuffed against us but they have proven to be formidable. Im sure had their o line not been getting smoked their offense would have shown up like it has in the weeks since. Obviously the rest have been relative dog****. I would still say even week one ND was and is better than FSU on offense.
 
Brains said:
@JHallCanes

Actually, **** that, 100% agreed with J Hall.

Beck threw a pick when we were up 28-6 and should have them deader at 31-6 at half. That can't happen.

He threw another sloppy pick but I can't recall the context. Given our offensive performance, that too likely took points off the board.

Should have been at least 52-12.

Unacceptable. We need to kill off games when we have the chance. We haven't done it.
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Yall are some harsh critics.

We were favored by 17 and we won by 37. At the end of the 3rd quarter we were up by 29 points.

We had over 300 yards of offense at halftime.

For sure, we had some drives that didn't pan out.

But let's put it this way. When Miami had the best offense on the planet last season, we averaged 3.83 points per drive, which was far and away #1 in America.

Against USF, we had 12 drives, and scored 49 points.

49/12 = 4.08 points per drive. That is elite of elite of elite.

Even if you want to throw away the entire 4th quarter, we scored 35 points on 10 drives. 3.50 points per drive would've ranked 4th in the country last year. I get that everyone wants to score 60 if we get up 28-6, but it almost never works out like that. There's regression to a mean in everything. We're just not going to have 10 possessions and score 10 touchdowns against really anyone, never mind a team who had just beaten two ranked teams.

UiF and ND, I see the point. But we smacked the **** out of USF, the game was literally never close or even remotely in doubt. Points in the first quarter are worth just as much as they are in the other quarters. As a matter of fact, I could argue they're *MORE* valuable because when you get a team down, they often change their entire gameplan and have to play in a way that's not their most comfortable.

Anyway, we smashed the **** out of USF. Men against boys. That's very likely not happening this week. FSU is much better, and they're home.
 
JHallCanes said:
My man

I’m not moping just saying we were up 28-6 and absolutely demolishing these guys and three drives in a row in the middle of the game:

INT
PUNT
INT

Now if that was a one off random thing ok…hey we got it done. To me it’s been like this in every game though. And tbh it happened a lot last year as well (the 2nd quarter inexplicable woes)

just saying big picture when we are in dog fights on the road against ACC teams this kinda thing seems to rear up is all

Let’s step on a neck this week
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It has happened in every game. I don't think we could have "buried" ND, but we could have been up 17 instead of 14. Maybe 20.

We could have been up more on USF and turned it into a laugher earlier, even if the outcome wasn't in doubt.

UF should have been over. We should have blown them out. The offense **** the bed the entire 3rd quarter and was sloppy at the end of the 2nd.

There's a ton of room for improvement. We need a killer instinct. It's true that we don't have "explosive" offensive players per se, but we've had chances at blowouts that we've failed to realize. That's on the offense. Execute. Get it done this time.
 
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