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I guess I have a second part to my question - at what projection point does Bell come back? If he is considered a day 2 pick, does he come back? Or day 3?

Fwiw, I think Cici is nearly a lock for first round, I think Bain’s intangibles make him a near lock and Beck just needs to be one of the top 4-5 qbs to likely be a 1st round pick. He stays healthy in Dawson’s offense, he’ll do just that.
 
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rascon said:
I guess I have a second part to my question - at what projection point does Bell come back? If he is considered a day 2 pick, does he come back? Or day 3?

Fwiw, I think Cici is nearly a lock for first round, I think Bain’s intangibles make him a near lock and Beck just needs to be one of the top 4-5 qbs to likely be a 1st round pick. He stays healthy in Dawson’s offense, he’ll do just that.
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He needs to improve a ton to be a day 2 guy.

But this is his last year at Miami either way. Hes out of eligibility
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
Being an OL drafted in the top 10 is difficult enough. There have been a total of 16 OL taken top 10 in the last 10 NFL drafts.

Being an OL drafted in the top 10 that plays RT exclusively is even more rare. Of those 16 top 10 picks, only 3 didn't have at least a full season's worth of games at LT (Jedrick Willis, JC Latham, and Armand Membou). That's 3 guys... in the last 10 drafts.

It could happen, and I would never bet against a driven, productive, physical freak like Cici, but the odds are very much against it happening.
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Good points brother. Doubt he sticks to RT in the league but he will have to put tape in regardless to change. I see him playing guard in the league but he's so mobile he could go LT too. But agreed that's the one constant unless he gets some snaps in elsewhere this season(would take a lot of injuries)& let's all hope that doesn't happen.
 
cway313 said:
Not yet, I think what he has shown is steady improvement. Another year of growth on and off the field would make him a lock. I do remember talk of him being 6'3-6'4 when he committed which could hurt, but the RT from Mizzou was in that same boat.
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Yeah with Nil I don’t see the rush to get to the league if you’re at a school with a budget. “Let’s finish what we started”, shouldn’t be a hard sale here with this group of juniors we have.
 
Stats02 said:
I think Kaaya would have only been available for the 2017 season. He would have been a senior. Student athletes didn’t get 9 extra years like they do now. Yes, perhaps we would have not lost to Pitt and would have made the playoffs that year. Hard to know for sure. Rosier actually ran that offense very efficiently that year, until he didn’t the last few games.
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Malik is that you? 😂 Because the first part of your reply makes no sense. No one said anything about Kaaya getting 10 years in college smh. He was a junior, and Richt wanted a mobile guy so he pushed him to go pro, even though everyone knew he needed another season. The following year is what I was talking about. Did you not see our offense in the bowl game the previous season against West Virginia?! They looked legit and returned most of the starters for 2017. Rosier did okay but he wasn’t anything more than an OKAY QB. He just ran when in doubt lol. But he missed 5-10 easy throws each game. He didn’t even get invited to a rookie camp, did he? The defense was top 5 in 2017 and #1 in sacks and tackles for loss. Had we had a high powered run and shoot offense we saw in the bowl game in 2017, there’s no doubt that we would have gotten into the playoffs with that offense. What could have been..
 
KingB02 said:
Malik is that you? 😂 Because the first part of your reply makes no sense. No one said anything about Kaaya getting 10 years in college smh. He was a junior, and Richt wanted a mobile guy so he pushed him to go pro, even though everyone knew he needed another season. The following year is what I was talking about. Did you not see our offense in the bowl game the previous season against West Virginia?! They looked legit and returned most of the starters for 2017. Rosier did okay but he wasn’t anything more than an OKAY QB. He just ran when in doubt lol. But he missed 5-10 easy throws each game. He didn’t even get invited to a rookie camp, did he? The defense was top 5 in 2017 and #1 in sacks and tackles for loss. Had we had a high powered run and shoot offense we saw in the bowl game in 2017, there’s no doubt that we would have gotten into the playoffs with that offense. What could have been..
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Kaaya was clearly a better qb than Rosier. No argument there. Yes, I watched the bowl game against WV and Kaaya was amazing. Unfortunately, that happened to be his best (and last) game as a Cane.

I’m just saying Rosier came in the for the 2017 season and we didn’t seem to miss much of a beat. He played very well, until the last 3 games, as I stated earlier. Was all fools gold as we soon found out.

I’m not sure that Kaaya could have led us much further down the road. Probably beat Pitt, and then get smoked in the ACCCG against Clemson. Their defense would have feasted on Kaaya’s lack of mobility and Clemson’s offense was pretty legit. Once our defense stopped forcing 4-5 turnovers every game, we were toast.

Would we have we made the playoffs with that crushing loss to Clemson (assuming we beat Pitt with Kaaya)? Let’s say we do make the playoffs. I think we lose that first game against whoever our opponent would be. Those other teams that made the playoffs under the 4 team playoff system were always elite. We were not an elite team. Kaaya makes us better than what we had with Rosier, but not good enough to compete with the truly elite teams.
 
Stats02 said:
Kaaya was clearly a better qb than Rosier. No argument there. Yes, I watched the bowl game against WV and Kaaya was amazing. Unfortunately, that happened to be his best (and last) game as a Cane.
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No **** Sherlock! But it was against his will. The team won games despite Rosier. We saw right away he couldn’t throw the ball accurately. It just took teams 10 games to stack the box against us, take away the run, and make him beat you with his arm, not his legs. Clemson didn’t do anything more than Pitt. Matter fact, Pitt gave them the blueprint and blew our season, which made Clemson’s job easier. Kaaya gives us a wide open offense VS Clemson & if they stack the box against us we hurt them with our short passing game. But still, you never mentioned the biggest factor I stated was if Richards doesn’t get hurt. Dude could have been an all everything #1 WR & 1st round pick! Clemson would have had to double him and their 5’8 corner (forgot his name) would’ve had 1v 1 versus that 6’4” WR (forgot his name too 😂) we had that made that crazy catch vs FSU.
 
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KingB02 said:
No **** Sherlock! But it was against his will. The team won games despite Rosier. We saw right away he couldn’t throw the ball accurately. It just took teams 10 games to stack the box against us, take away the run, and make him beat you with his arm, not his legs. Clemson didn’t do anything more than Pitt. Matter fact, Pitt gave them the blueprint and blew our season, which made Clemson’s job easier. Kaaya gives us a wide open offense VS Clemson & if they stack the box against us we hurt them with our short passing game. But still, you never mentioned the biggest factor I stated was if Richards doesn’t get hurt. Dude could have been an all everything #1 WR & 1st round pick! Clemson would have had to double him and their 5’8 corner (forgot his name) would’ve had 1v 1 versus that 6’4” WR (forgot his name too 😂) we had that made that crazy catch vs FSU.
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Sure, Richt’s RPO check down style offense weren’t suited best for Kaaya, but Kaaya ultimately had his most productive season under
Richt’s system.

I don’t know how much of the blame needs to be put on Richt for Kaaya leaving early. I agree that it appears Richt wanted something different and made that known to Kaaya. We really don’t have any proof Kaaya was “forced” out. We make it seem like he was kicked off the team and had no choice but declare for the draft. I believe Kaaya also got some bad advice about leaving early, like many of our players the last 15+ have been given bad advice about leaving early. Couple the bad advice and the head coach having different expectations for Kaaya, seemed like a no brainer for him to leave.

As for Richards, I think he could have been our best receiver all time. Yes, better than Irvin when it was all said and done, had he not gotten injured. Definite first round pick. He was elite. Richard’s sustained the injury in the Pitt game, correct? That means Rosier also lost his best playmaker for that game and also the Clemson game. Richards would have absolutely helped for both games, but I don’t think it would have been enough to beat Clemson, even with Kaaya at qb. Maybe the game is a much closer and competitive game, but Clemson was head and shoulders above us. Take away Clemsons best WR for that game and they are still going to win.
 
mlw352 said:
Kalajeah kancey went top 15 and bains about the same measurables
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We were talking bout Cici. For Bain to go for sure first round he needs a **** good year. Had that conversation with several scouts. He had a very bad year last year in most eyes. Regressed significantly. Other issue is most teams think he should move inside. I happen to agree with them. Bain on the inside is a difference maker. On the outside he can be but it takes being able to use his punch to exploit tackles balance etc. In the league it takes more than that.
 
Stats02 said:
Sure, Richt’s RPO check down style offense weren’t suited best for Kaaya, but Kaaya ultimately had his most productive season under
Richt’s system.

I don’t know how much of the blame needs to be put on Richt for Kaaya leaving early. I agree that it appears Richt wanted something different and made that known to Kaaya. We really don’t have any proof Kaaya was “forced” out. We make it seem like he was kicked off the team and had no choice but declare for the draft. I believe Kaaya also got some bad advice about leaving early, like many of our players the last 15+ have been given bad advice about leaving early. Couple the bad advice and the head coach having different expectations for Kaaya, seemed like a no brainer for him to leave.

As for Richards, I think he could have been our best receiver all time. Yes, better than Irvin when it was all said and done, had he not gotten injured. Definite first round pick. He was elite. Richard’s sustained the injury in the Pitt game, correct? That means Rosier also lost his best playmaker for that game and also the Clemson game. Richards would have absolutely helped for both games, but I don’t think it would have been enough to beat Clemson, even with Kaaya at qb. Maybe the game is a much closer and competitive game, but Clemson was head and shoulders above us. Take away Clemsons best WR for that game and they are still going to win.
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Cmr didn't want something different at all. He simply knew our deficiencies and the facts the transfer portal etc didn't exist at that time. It was impossible to flip our interior talent in that quick of a time frame. We didn't have a line that was set up for blocking for a pocket quarterback like that inside of Richts system. Richt made assessments and adjustments based on the facts we had a horrible line that struggled mightily in pass protection and run blocking.
 
DadeBaby said:
Yeah with Nil I don’t see the rush to get to the league if you’re at a school with a budget. “Let’s finish what we started”, shouldn’t be a hard sale here with this group of juniors we have.
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The rush as you call it is for the guys who actually have that level of talent we're all aware we're playing on a clock. You can be hurt and have your career and your livelihood taken away from you at any given minute. So should you consider staying in school when you have that reassurance that you'll be drafted high and take one more year and a million, 2 million whatever or should you go get that gaurenteed first round money multi year & far more importantly fulfill what in most cases is a life long dream that's more than money for most... Not really too hard of a decision.
 
Brooklyndee said:
Cmr didn't want something different at all. He simply knew our deficiencies and the facts the transfer portal etc didn't exist at that time. It was impossible to flip our interior talent in that quick of a time frame. We didn't have a line that was set up for blocking for a pocket quarterback like that inside of Richts system. Richt made assessments and adjustments based on the facts we had a horrible line that struggled mightily in pass protection and run blocking.
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So because of our terrible o-line, Richt realized that RPO with Rosier > Pro Style with Kaaya. I know you are tied to the program more than 99% of this board, so I take your word for it. That also tells me Kaaya’s deficiencies (lack of mobility, physicality) outweighed his positive attributes.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
Being an OL drafted in the top 10 is difficult enough. There have been a total of 16 OL taken top 10 in the last 10 NFL drafts.

Being an OL drafted in the top 10 that plays RT exclusively is even more rare. Of those 16 top 10 picks, only 3 didn't have at least a full season's worth of games at LT (Jedrick Willis, JC Latham, and Armand Membou). That's 3 guys... in the last 10 drafts.

It could happen, and I would never bet against a driven, productive, physical freak like Cici, but the odds are very much against it happening.
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I get the point you're making but more broadly you're talking about RT value vs LT value and how that relates to draft ceiling. However I think that more so is heavily weighted by the fact that top ots are usually just placed at LT so obviously there should be more top LTs drafted than top RTs. However, why shouldn't Joe Alt and Penei Sewell be included in this list given they were specifically drafted to be RT by the team drafting them? Sure they played LT in college and showed they could do that, but ultimately if the argument is the league doesn't value RTs as much as LT when it comes to drafting top 10 or 15, the fact that they took them with the specific gameplan of playing them at RT kinda makes that aspect irrelevant, doesn't it? Unless the only point is that they have to have shown ability to play LT? Which I'd just ask... why? Because ultimately a team that is drafting a Tackle is likely taking them based on the hole in their roster. So sure a team is likely to take off some points for a guy who has only played RT when they need a LT, but if they need a RT regardless, having played LT is irrelevant...

Like I'd personally use top 15 because if he's a top 15 pick I'm going to say that's still a big win, and I'd count guys who played RT in NFL Day1:
2025 - 1 out of 3 - Membou like you said was a RT in College. Banks is interesting cause he played LT in college while the Saints 1st last year Fuaga played RT, But Fuaga played LT for Saints last year so it's not out of realm that Banks moves to RT. But either way they were both top 15 picks, so ONE is getting counted here. To be simple we'll go with Fuaga.
2024 - 3 out of 4 - Joe Alt played LT for ND, but immediately was drafted with intention of playing RT and thats where he's started Day1. JC Latham played RT in college. Switched to LT in NFL, BUT is about to move back to RT this year. Again Fuaga was a RT in College and likely is again now - exact same situation as Latham basically.
2023 - 1 out of 3 - Darnell Wright had experience at LT in College but Played RT the year he was drafted AND Immediately started at RT for Bears.
2022 - 1 out of 4 - Evan Neal in college played LG as Frosh, RT as So, and LT as JR. But again immediate starter at RT for Giants, but is now moving to guard I believe.
2021 - 1 out of 1 - Penei Sewell day1 Lions RT.
2020 - 2 out of 4 - Jedrick Wills obviously played RT as you mentioned. Tristan Wirfs was basically exclusively a RT in college and immediately was the RT for Buccs. Now moved to LT starting Last year.

So out of last 6 years there have been 19 OTs drated top 15. 9 have exclusively played RT in College or were drafted with the Purpose of Immediately playing RT in the NFL, which is 47%... If we exclusively looked only at top 10 it'd be 7/13 = 54% (Just to show I wasn't making it top 15 to make my numbers look good!)
 
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Bain won’t be a first rounder imo simply because he’s a tweener

I think he will be a very good DT in the NFL in a few years

I’ve been against him being a DT here because he doesn’t look physically mature enough to handle the extra weight. I think he’s more effective as a DE here but will eventually get that grown man strength and weight and move to the interior in the NFL

He’s certainly capable of being a 1st rounder talent wise just think it’ll take him some time to grow into his money position

If he leaves after this season that would be great because it means he put it all together and dominated

Right now I’d expect him back though with an attractive NIL deal
 
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I rather them go first round than have Mario convince them to come back for a 4th year. We need to get back to rolling out first rounder after first rounder. That’s going to be ultimate selling point for recruits.
 
Stats02 said:
So because of our terrible o-line, Richt realized that RPO with Rosier > Pro Style with Kaaya. I know you are tied to the program more than 99% of this board, so I take your word for it. That also tells me Kaaya’s deficiencies (lack of mobility, physicality) outweighed his positive attributes.
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It did outweigh that. The kid was a statue in the pocket. Kaaya with the oline we have now is an all American candidate. But CMR didn't push him out at all. You guys just all refused to be realistic when it related to the play calling and the state of our offense. You can't call the same plays for a non mobile pocket QB with no oline play that you call for a mobile QB with no oline play. There was a reason why all we ran was rpo and bubble screens with a sporadic deep shot to keep a defense semi curious. Some of guys really have the wrong ideas when it relates to CMR. A serious discussion needs to be had that him coming to the university was one of the more pivotal moments in the HISTORY of the university. Without him we don't start down any of this path we're currently on. I get it, the end results weren't where we wanted things to be. All I'm gonna say on that is father time doesn't lose too many battles.
 
Cici is gone after this year. I think Bain comes back in "26. With the amount of money, he would make as a senior and get better draft position. He comes back.
 
Brooklyndee said:
We were talking bout Cici. For Bain to go for sure first round he needs a **** good year. Had that conversation with several scouts. He had a very bad year last year in most eyes. Regressed significantly. Other issue is most teams think he should move inside. I happen to agree with them. Bain on the inside is a difference maker. On the outside he can be but it takes being able to use his punch to exploit tackles balance etc. In the league it takes more than that.
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I believe it was injury not regression. A hamstring injury is tough to play thru especially in the middle of a season I think his demise is a bit over exaggerated honestly he’s a chess piece who can do both play 3t on 3rd and long and stay outside which isn’t bad for us at all or him and the league should value him for how disruptive he is and the production if healthy this year will match I think we have multiple pass rushers this year who will make people pay for doubling Bain and our secondary finally isn’t going to be picked apart I hope by 3 step drops which contributed to our dline being null in void as well.
 
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