Another Coaches Clinic Recap

[San Amaro Dr]

**** yeah.

It really bothered me the sorry game plan Lashlee came out with versus Bama.

If Iwas coaching that game, I would have had our best blocking tight end following 31 all game. The tackle engages him and the tight end bust him in the ribs EVERY PLAY. If he lines up inside, same thing with the guard and center.

I know it puts pressure on you numbers wise, but you can’t sit back and let one guy destroy you like that. Take their best player out of the game and try to survive. You let him just go ape **** on you, it’s over before the end of the first quarter.

Seeing this is the type mentality Mario and Mirabal have is exciting. We will be a much more physical football team if nothing else.

To be fair, I don’t think anything short of a knife would have slowed Anderson down. He’s a 1st rounder next year. They always have good defensive players but not many with both speed and power like 31.

 

[TruCane81]

To be fair, I don’t think anything short of a knife would have slowed Anderson down. He’s a 1st rounder next year. They always have good defensive players but not many with both speed and power like 31.

Regardless, I’m putting two hats on that guy. If he beats that, they deserve to win anyway.

 

[Calinative]

Agree. Watching that Michigan tape, I kept thinking man this is boring to watch. But then again, it wins games, and that's really all I care about. People on here get real tied to a particular scheme and insist it's important we use it. I want to run something our guys can do and that gives scores points. That's it.

Thats fine to a certain degree. If we brought in an OC to run Paul Johnsons offense at GTech, I think everyone would rightly be ****ed, regardless if it won or not. Also you can have an offense scheme/philosophy that wins 10 games, but if it consistently gets shut down against the best 2 defenses we play per year, that's also a good reason to not want that offense...

That said I don't think that is the situation we're in. But I don't think it's only just about the W/L record...

 

[Southcane]

I payed attention to the formations, personnel groupings & play call sequences, along with the route concepts.

The offense itself isn’t anything spectacular, but with good RB’s, TE’s & consistent Slot WR can be effective.

You have much better football analytical eyes and football IQ than I could muster in my dreams but, I honestly believe he will adjust his formations, personnel groupings & play calling etc. to better suit the roster he has. Coaches evolve and get better over the years if they have the smarts and the work ethics to do so. I have a feeling we will se a better offense as a whole than he led at Michigan

 

[Memnon]

You have much better football analytical eyes and football IQ than I could muster in my dreams but, I honestly believe he will adjust his formations, personnel groupings & play calling etc. to better suit the talent he has. Coaches evolve and get better over the years if they have the smarts and the work ethics to do so. I have a feeling we will se a better offense as a whole than he led at Michigan

I don’t think we’ll run the exact same offense as Michigan, but there are things within the framework that he’ll maintain.

It’s rare for OC’s to completely abandon what they’ve used for most of their career, especially if it’s worked. That’s not to say he’s going to run the same Michigan offense, but what we can glean from Mich’s offense is a precursor of the type of play calling & sequences that he’s used to making.

Basically, it can be the same architect but building a different style house.

It won’t be identical to Michigan, but there will be some similarities.

 

[CANEMC]

Lemon Pepper Wing-T next season?

 

[kryptonite]

Thats fine to a certain degree. If we brought in an OC to run Paul Johnsons offense at GTech, I think everyone would rightly be ****ed, regardless if it won or not. Also you can have an offense scheme/philosophy that wins 10 games, but if it consistently gets shut down against the best 2 defenses we play per year, that's also a good reason to not want that offense...

That said I don't think that is the situation we're in. But I don't think it's only just about the W/L record...

As a fan who's going to be watching all the games, I agree that some offenses are less than satisfying. I also agree that a plodding offense would probably crap out at least by the time we got to the ACCCG or whatever bowl 10+ wins gets you. That said, I still think wins is the ultimate measure. Now obviously some of that has to do with the other side of the ball. We can't have a slow ball control offense if our defense is going to continue to allow 35+ a game. I need an offense that's good enough to win given our defense and a defense that can say the same. The rest is window dressing. If Paul Johnson's annoying-*** 1950s offense can get the wins, I'll happily endure it.

Put it this way: as a Ravens fan, Trent Dilfer will always hold a special place in my heart. Was he fun to watch or even particularly good at his job? No. But what he was able to do just enough to let that amazing defense get to and win a SB.

In the end, I think fans get too wrapped up in the scheme or which players play as opposed to the winning. Like people can't enjoy a win unless it happened the way they like.

 

[BostonCanes47]

Good luck to opposing d line getting that treatment for 4 quarters. Going to get old for them real quick.

 

[Empirical Cane]

LCE would like to apologize to CIS, sometimes love makes you do crazy things...

 

[Empirical Cane]

As a fan who's going to be watching all the games, I agree that some offenses are less than satisfying. I also agree that a plodding offense would probably crap out at least by the time we got to the ACCCG or whatever bowl 10+ wins gets you. That said, I still think wins is the ultimate measure. Now obviously some of that has to do with the other side of the ball. We can't have a slow ball control offense if our defense is going to continue to allow 35+ a game. I need an offense that's good enough to win given our defense and a defense that can say the same. The rest is window dressing. If Paul Johnson's annoying-*** 1950s offense can get the wins, I'll happily endure it.

Put it this way: as a Ravens fan, Trent Dilfer will always hold a special place in my heart. Was he fun to watch or even particularly good at his job? No. But what he was able to do just enough to let that amazing defense get to and win a SB.

In the end, I think fans get too wrapped up in the scheme or which players play as opposed to the winning. Like people can't enjoy a win unless it happened the way they like.

Dilfer gets a ton of grief. I guess all he can say is "hold my SB trophy, thanks."

 

[PIPO]

This is the Casablanca of posts on CIS

Macho, is Gone with the Wind

These are the classics that should be re-read in years to come

The Casablanca’s of post and the Gone with the Wind of posts are still not as long as a War & Peace post from @TheOriginalCane

 

[jazperbc]

This is my favorite kind of thread, so I’ll ask the few of you who’ve looked into Gattis more deeply than I have:

- PA passing game is often derived from the run game style. Have any of you looked into Gattis’ preferences here?

- the most annoying part of defending the wing-T concepts used to be the misdirections and the angles/kick outs created on defenders. As an analogy, the passing game mismatches often come from High-Lows and other space-based concepts. Can any of you comment on what you expect Gattis to do with passing game concepts?

- I don’t really put a ton of stock into his Michigan tendencies because of the QB situation, but working off the above information, any of you have opinions on what Gattis prefers in terms of early down passing concepts?

I promise I’ll watch all of Gattis’ games this summer, but seems like some of you have already followed him closely. Would appreciate your insight.

@San Amaro Dr @WestEndzone @Coach Macho @DTP

I am interested in understanding the 2018 Bama offense from when Gattis was last there relative to Michigan last year. I expect to see some concepts that were not used at Michigan given QB restrictions that we don't have.

 

[moshated305]

So is the offense here the same as the Michigan offense last year ? I’m very curious how much the WRs are involved

Probably more involved given our QB. Michigan didn't have a QB. They literally tried to hide him.

 

[E1k]

I don’t think anyone is attached to any specific scheme, it’s matter of looking at our roster & saying, what makes us the hardest to beat & gives us the best chance to score the most points? It’s about utilizing your weapons in an advantageous way to make it as difficult as possible for Defenses to stop you.

Not only our current roster but where we are located. Its a 5 star WR in the state every other year basically, I think there’s 3 next year just in dade and broward. If we keep those guys home and maximize their potential we going places, and I didn’t even mention all the dbs and now dlineman popping up more and more.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

The Casablanca’s of post and the Gone with the Wind of posts are still not as long as a War & Peace post from @TheOriginalCane

Careful, or I'm going to walk up to you and *****-slap you...

 

[DTP]

Thats fine to a certain degree. If we brought in an OC to run Paul Johnsons offense at GTech, I think everyone would rightly be ****ed, regardless if it won or not. Also you can have an offense scheme/philosophy that wins 10 games, but if it consistently gets shut down against the best 2 defenses we play per year, that's also a good reason to not want that offense...

That said I don't think that is the situation we're in. But I don't think it's only just about the W/L record...

As a fan who's going to be watching all the games, I agree that some offenses are less than satisfying. I also agree that a plodding offense would probably crap out at least by the time we got to the ACCCG or whatever bowl 10+ wins gets you. That said, I still think wins is the ultimate measure. Now obviously some of that has to do with the other side of the ball. We can't have a slow ball control offense if our defense is going to continue to allow 35+ a game. I need an offense that's good enough to win given our defense and a defense that can say the same. The rest is window dressing. If Paul Johnson's annoying-*** 1950s offense can get the wins, I'll happily endure it.

Put it this way: as a Ravens fan, Trent Dilfer will always hold a special place in my heart. Was he fun to watch or even particularly good at his job? No. But what he was able to do just enough to let that amazing defense get to and win a SB.

In the end, I think fans get too wrapped up in the scheme or which players play as opposed to the winning. Like people can't enjoy a win unless it happened the way they like.

It really depends on your program's specific goals. A lot of mid tier programs are realistic about where they stand in the football hierarchy so they'll be satisfied with winning 7 or 8 games a year with an occasional run at 10 wins when everything is just right. If you're running some form of extreme offense like the triple option or Mike Leach's version of the Air Raid, you're essentially saying "we'll never have the talent to compete heads up so we need to do something extreme on offense to totally catch opponents off guard if we're going to win games". And it can work. Both Paul Johnson and Mike Leach have had success at places where they're usually at a talent disadvantage. The problem is, if you want to contend for more than just occasional success, you need to attract the best players and the best players aren't trying to play in systems like that. Blue chip players want to win games and get drafted. No quarterback or receiver worth anything is going to want to play in a system that throws the ball 7 times a game. No running back wants to play somewhere he's only going to get 5 or 6 carries in an entire game. Same goes for linemen. Mayyyybe a Leach OT could get NFL attention if he's a premier pass blocker but nobody is drafting a lineman from a triple option program. Mostly because the traits and techniques they prioritize are meaningless to a coach running a professional offense.

If you want to really compete at the highest levels and attract the most talented players, you need to have a more balanced system. And when I say balanced, I don't mean running it 50% and passing it 50%. I mean, your team has to have the ability to do both at a relatively high level. If a defense can just load the box and shut down your run and there's nothing you can do about it, your offense will struggle against anyone good. Same if you have no threat to run the ball and opponents just flood the field with pass rushers and defensive backs and you can't make them pay for it. One dimensional teams get exposed against the better programs in college football.

 

[Category69]

If you noticed, Gattis was getting grass in front of his receiver in the MIDDLE OF THE FIELD. It literally won them the game.

I’ve been asking for this for years and Gattis does it very well. His route combinations put pressure on the line backers and gets guys open over the short middle for run after catch opportunities. The quarterback always has someone coming into his field of view for an easy throw.

Our previous coaches thought the only way to get receivers in space was to spam that sorry *** bubble screen. It is ok a few times a game, but it doesn’t replace good route design and rhythm.

The problem with this offense is he will face teams he can’t bully. After what they did to Ohio State, we are basically talking Georgia, Bama, and maybe Clemson.

Against those teams he needs to use 11 personnel more and get the slot on safeties and linebackers. The routes for everyone have to be shorter and faster except for the guy you got running a fly or fade. The quarterback’s drop has to be shortened too. Even three steps can take too long against the most elite teams.

I like this offense. If he somehow hooked up with Joe Brady or just studied his film, I would be overjoyed. The downfield shots will be there, especially when we have the run going.

X has been getting a ton of praise. I think our passing offense is going to be a bit different with more spread and 11 personnel. We can run the 12 stuff, but I think he likes the talent in the slot and wants to use it.

A statement was made in WestEndzone's OP, basically summarizing Gattis that finesse offense gets you finesse defense aka soft. I could see that, I mean you are playing your own team more than any other.

But like TruCane81 said, there just some teams you ain't bullying, especially teams like UGA and Bammer. Cristobal was pushing Oregon into more of a physical team vs. what they were known for, spread, speed, and finesse. But a well coached and conditioned team, with (on paper) less talent like Utah, they couldn't bully them or fool them with misdirection.

Gattis knew that he couldn't fool UGA or bully them, look at the highlights and you'll see he tried some different things vs what he used for Ohio State and Mich State. He called some good plays, more spread-like than wing t, those early drops killed their momentum. Then he got back into a rhythm calling some nice quick plays. But then tried to get cute with some misdirection slow developing fake reverse modern wing t style like they've been using all year and that was pretty much all she wrote after settling for a FG.

Hopefully Gattis continues to build off that and be multiple based on what we have and what the defense is giving us, his comments so far seem to enforce that he will, hope so.

 

[JHallCanes]

Not only our current roster but where we are located. Its a 5 star WR in the state every other year basically, I think there’s 3 next year just in dade and broward. If we keep those guys home and maximize their potential we going places, and I didn’t even mention all the dbs and now dlineman popping up more and more.

This is really all that matters

Whether we are a run first team or an air raid team, Miami can get 5 star receivers and running backs if our staff can recruit

**** even our staffs in the past have landed some here and there but have let so many slip away

Fix that and everything else takes care of itself

Gattis likes to run but also had a big play offense. Dropped big points on some good teams last year

 

[gcane44]

I don’t think anyone is attached to any specific scheme

Might be the most fictitious thing you've posted on this board. Maybe you are not. But plenty of followers on this board parrot sentiments and aggressively adopt them as gospel.

 

[Lazarre]

Our offense will look more like Oregon than Michigan which is not that much of a difference. I expect more passing but we will line up and try to establish physical dominance.