Aaron Feld, Rugby Guy and the meaning of life

[calinative umstudent]

The problem is football is a contact sport, however it is worth noting that since 2018:

-Sewell
-Sewell
-K Thibs
-CJ Verdell
-Flowe
-Faoliu
-Apelu
-Slade-Matautia
-Dillon
-Hill
-Pickett
-Pittman
-McCormick
-Webb
-Jackson

All missed several games or the year due to injuries, & this is only from 2018-2020 off the top of the dome & I know I’m missing more. Do I recall UO dealing w/ these types of losses prior to? No. Can we say definitively that Feld is the reason? No. Football is a contact sport, & injuries occur all the time whether in game or in practice. It’s just too much of a coincidence to see Flowe healthy for the first time since he’s been at UO, never being injured in HS, along w/ Baby Sewell. Also, Pittman hasn’t missed a game at FSU.

These r just crazy coincidences.

I dare you to make a list of the injuries at miami before feld lol. Guarantee the injuries were just as prevalent, if not worse. We had 3+ career ending neck injuries alone. If that happened right now, everyone would be demanding feld get shot out of a cannon...

 

[Rellyrell]

I dare you to make a list of the injuries at miami before feld lol. Guarantee the injuries were just as prevalent, if not worse. We had 3+ career ending neck injuries alone. If that happened right now, everyone would be demanding feld get shot out of a cannon...

Yeah, we discussed that. @PIPO mentioned that earlier in this thread.

 

[gabednconfused]

I'm just asking for evidence. If a prosecutor walks into a courtroom, they'd better be ready to convince a jury. We're the jury here.

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Look, I don't want to go down the rabbit hole of an S&C discussion on a message board. Otherwise, 48 pages of argument. If you don't agree that: (1) injuries were worse than last year and worse than what we've seen the last 3-5 years; and (2) this topic was raised prior to the season and a potential criticism of Mario's Oregon tenure and voila, it happens here . . . and that that alone raises a question as to why, then there's no point in extending this thread 58 more pages.

using offensive line as an example- we had at least 2 starters out with season Enders last yr maybe more. In 2022 we had 4. A lot of this can be attributed to the increased physicality of practice, the narrowing of splits, and the offensive scheme. We have players made of glass, and this broke them.

 

[gabednconfused]

I dare you to make a list of the injuries at miami before feld lol. Guarantee the injuries were just as prevalent, if not worse. We had 3+ career ending neck injuries alone. If that happened right now, everyone would be demanding feld get shot out of a cannon...

Agreed, let’s see the list, all you strength training clairvoyants

 

[We the Boss]

I dare you to make a list of the injuries at miami before feld lol. Guarantee the injuries were just as prevalent, if not worse. We had 3+ career ending neck injuries alone. If that happened right now, everyone would be demanding feld get shot out of a cannon...

Gattis had a career ending ****** injury after getting long ****ed by Narduzzi.

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

I personally think one year isn’t a large enough sample size, and most competent individuals would probably agree. But, I don’t know enough about S&C and how the body works + his movement prep and everything that goes into body preparation and injury prevention, so I’ll defer to the experts.

I just know that when I played college sports, our trainer preached all this movement bs and while there were only a handful of my teammates that got hurt long term, no one put on significant muscle during his workouts. We had to go lift on our own because our trainer was so obsessed with CAR’s and useless crap. At least the players looked and tested stronger under Feld. Then again, it doesn’t matter if they end up getting hurt / the players suck.

Freak seasons happen, so I’m willing to give him another year.

 

[RVACane]

I personally think one year isn’t a large enough sample size, and most competent individuals would probably agree. But, I don’t know enough about S&C and how the body works + his movement prep and everything that goes into body preparation and injury prevention, so I’ll defer to the experts.

I just know that when I played college sports, our trainer preached all this movement bs and while no one really got hurt long term, no one put on significant muscle during his workouts. We had to go lift on our own because our trainer was so obsessed with CAR’s and useless crap. At least the players looked and tested stronger under Feld. Then again, it doesn’t matter if they end up getting hurt / the players suck.

Freak seasons happen, so I’m willing to give him another year.

There’s something that’s been said which has my curiosity and that’s the impact of Mario’s practices as a component in the injury concerns raised. I am admittedly way out of my wheelhouse here. I get that his practices are harder than Manny’s. Are they similar to what Bama and UGA do or are they unique as to the way things are done??? I’m trying to get my arms around the variables in comparison to other places.

 

[We the Boss]

I personally think one year isn’t a large enough sample size, and most competent individuals would probably agree. But, I don’t know enough about S&C and how the body works + his movement prep and everything that goes into body preparation and injury prevention, so I’ll defer to the experts.

I just know that when I played college sports, our trainer preached all this movement bs and while there were only a handful of my teammates that got hurt long term, no one put on significant muscle during his workouts. We had to go lift on our own because our trainer was so obsessed with CAR’s and useless crap. At least the players looked and tested stronger under Feld. Then again, it doesn’t matter if they end up getting hurt / the players suck.

Freak seasons happen, so I’m willing to give him another year.

Movement prep stuff matters a lot more for 28 year olds then it does for 18 year olds.

Overtraining is real and coaches who pile on top of weights can be killer.

 

[hoops156]

First off, heeeelarious. Second, thank u for also bringing up the rash of injuries we had under Feeley. Most know, I wasn’t a fan of his, either. Let me be clear though, I’m w/ @crossover22[]_[] on this one; these issues existed at his previous stop, too. I ?’d Feld & was clear that I preferred him to stay back:

Oregon 247 Staff On what coaches Mario brings from Oregon

www.canesinsight.com

However, b/c the board vouched, I softened my stance & said I wouldn’t have a problem w/ him coming; but, I made it clear he wasn’t my first choice. That was two fold:

1. It appears Feld has become more gimmick than substance.

2. I wasn’t a fan of the continuous injuries that piled up at UO under his watch.

Moving fwd, I would prefer we get a seasoned S&C coach or a certified, trusted S&C assistant coach from an established power, looking to lead their own program.

agreed w the above.

i hope as a board we stop crowning dudes just bc. a lot of people wanred us of these injury issues and the oregon boards said the same. i specifically remmeber one of the oregon guys saying get used to random injuries right before games that you knew nothing about before.

now, idk if hes more gimmick than substance (his media presence gives that), but there is a very clear injury issue when he touches athletes. whether its his fault, idk. thats for more informed posters

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

There’s something that’s been said which has my curiosity and that’s the impact of Mario’s practices as a component in the injury concerns raised. I am admittedly way out of my wheelhouse here. I get that his practices are harder than Manny’s. Are they similar to what Bama and UGA do or are they unique as to the way things are done??? I’m trying to get my arms around the variables in comparison to other places.

I’ve never witnessed a practice under Mario so others would provide better answers. I think there’s some truth to it, but also way too much blame on it.

I don’t think these guys are going balls to the wall and abusing their bodies from the fall all the way until the very last practice. There certainly is some days that are more taxing than others, but it’s not a continuous cycle of running your body into the ground; it make seem like it to some players, however. It’s certainly more physically demanding than under Manny, but that’s not saying much. Manny let kids skip practice and do whatever they wanted. Kids would take off reps and just go through the motions, and then eat Mickey D’s at night.

Your body is naturally going to be more battered and bruised if required to work harder and absorb more hits. Personally (from what I’ve heard), it’s no different than a practice at Bama or UGA or any of the top tier programs. He’s not running these kids into the ground because he likes it. We just don’t have the depth to fill in for injuries + this year we had more freak injuries than any year I can remember.

 

[RVACane]

I’ve never witnessed a practice under Mario so others would provide better answers. I think there’s some truth to it, but also way too much blame on it.

I don’t think these guys are going balls to the wall and abusing their bodies from the fall all the way until the very last practice. There certainly is some days that are more taxing than others, but it’s not a continuous cycle of running your body into the ground; it make seem like it to some players, however. It’s certainly more physically demanding than under Manny, but that’s not saying much. Manny let kids skip practice and do whatever they wanted. Kids would take off reps and just go through the motions.

Your body is naturally going to be more battered and bruised if required to work harder and absorb more hits. Personally (from what I’ve heard), it’s no different than a practice at Bama or UGA or any of the top tier programs. He’s not running these kids into the ground because he likes it. We just don’t have the depth to fill in for injuries + this year we had more freak injuries than any year I can remember.

So if the practices are the same as those other places but the injuries are higher, I can see why focus would be on S&C. I don’t know. I’m just trying to weed through it and see what can easily be weeded out.

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

So if the practices are the same as those other places but the injuries are higher, I can see why focus would be on S&C. I don’t know. I’m just trying to weed through it and see what can easily be weeded out.

Totally agree - I just don’t know if you can say “their bodies weren’t used to this + they didn’t train hard enough and prepare for it in the off-season”. 75% of them have Manny disease and don’t care to work hard on their own. Seems like a valid reason as for why the injuries increased, but again I’ll defer to the S&C specialists here.

 

[423Hurricane]

So if the practices are the same as those other places but the injuries are higher, I can see why focus would be on S&C. I don’t know. I’m just trying to weed through it and see what can easily be weeded out.

How many times have we heard about Greentree practices being harder than games during the heyday? I believe there’s many variables that contribute to football injuries and would be difficult to narrow down to even a few constants.

 

[305_separatist]

How many times have we heard about Greentree practices being harder than games during the heyday? I believe there’s many variables that contribute to football injuries and would be difficult to narrow down to even a few constants.

You’re never gonna prove perfect causality in a system like this, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t move on from a dude getting paid big bucks. They are the expert and should be able to adapt. If practices are grueling, then workouts need to be dialed back for recovery. The body only has X amount of effort to give and punishment to take, and it doesn’t differentiate between weights and practices really if that’s the problem. Either way it’s up to the head strength coach to make sure everyone’s progressing while staying as healthy as possible.

That being said I’m cool with him getting another year to adjust and figure it out as long as he’s not as stubborn as Mario apparently is.

More reverse Nordic curls for these dudes also.

 

[TC@ne]

Bottom line is, either “side” could argue that the injuries fit their narrative - Feld detractor sees the correlation, Feld supporter argues that our roster wasn’t getting worked enough under previous staffs and therefore wasn’t prepared.

This is something to monitor and keep an eye on moving forward, nothing more nothing less.

 

[hoops156]

First off, heeeelarious. Second, thank u for also bringing up the rash of injuries we had under Feeley. Most know, I wasn’t a fan of his, either. Let me be clear though, I’m w/ @crossover22[]_[] on this one; these issues existed at his previous stop, too. I ?’d Feld & was clear that I preferred him to stay back:

Oregon 247 Staff On what coaches Mario brings from Oregon

www.canesinsight.com

However, b/c the board vouched, I softened my stance & said I wouldn’t have a problem w/ him coming; but, I made it clear he wasn’t my first choice. That was two fold:

1. It appears Feld has become more gimmick than substance.

2. I wasn’t a fan of the continuous injuries that piled up at UO under his watch.

Moving fwd, I would prefer we get a seasoned S&C coach or a certified, trusted S&C assistant coach from an established power, looking to lead their own program.

@TheOriginalCane

its the defective nikes

 

[AlexCane]

There’s something that’s been said which has my curiosity and that’s the impact of Mario’s practices as a component in the injury concerns raised. I am admittedly way out of my wheelhouse here. I get that his practices are harder than Manny’s. Are they similar to what Bama and UGA do or are they unique as to the way things are done??? I’m trying to get my arms around the variables in comparison to other places.

Here's a simple way to understand it. Consider exercise a -1 and a recovery session (be it yoga, meditation, sauna, cold plunge, massage, whatever) a +1. At the end of the week, you want to be at 0 (ideally).

Presumably, in a perfect world, there is coordination between the football side and S&C to ensure that you are not overtraining or overtaxing the team so that the team is sufficiently recovered to perform at a high level and avoid over-use injuries, of which ACL is a big one. So, yes, if Mario's practices are simply brutal or simply too taxing, S&C will likely look bad because there are going to be injuries as a result.

I know zip about how practices are run, but, ideally, given the limited depth we had, the practices *should* have been pulled back at times to avoid injuries. Does that happen? No clue.

If Mario is an old school caveman then you can have an uber-qualified S&C but still see injuries above the norm.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

So if the practices are the same as those other places but the injuries are higher, I can see why focus would be on S&C. I don’t know. I’m just trying to weed through it and see what can easily be weeded out.

There’s no signs here my friend, there’s not even good data usage. It’s about as subjective as you can get. Until these “experts“ start using hard data, it’s all schoolgirl gossip.

 

[RVACane]

There’s no signs here my friend, there’s not even good data usage. It’s about as subjective as you can get. Until these “experts“ start using hard data, it’s all schoolgirl gossip.

I believe that these guys are legit knowledgeable based on what’s been said. I’m just curious about what’s contributing what to the injury situations assuming it’s not a fluke.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

I believe that these guys are legit knowledgeable based on what’s been said. I’m just curious about what’s contributing what to the injury situations assuming it’s not a fluke.

You can be as legitimately knowledgeable as you can be, but you have to prove what you say. Whether you’re Einstein or an Internet rugby coach, your work has to have proof. That’s science. Strength and conditioning is allegedly based on science. In science, you have to show your work.