A Plea for Rationality

umfire

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I just...

Everyone is aware that the year is not 2003 right? We have been a 2nd tier program for a decade. We went 9-3 last year with our best player out for a third of it.

Three players get drafted before the 6 or 7th round this year. We had maybe a half dozen players that would sniff a 2 deep on a good Miami team. Louisville game? Hey, I get it, I didn't think our coaches did a good job preparing this team. But this idea that we are underperforming relative to talent... I just don't see it. On D last year we had 4 good players, not great, just above average. And the rest of the 7 were borderline Sun Belt types. Do I think that we could have done better on D? Sure, a few points per game. But jesus, Chickillo was one of our 3 or 4 best players on D and he maybe, maybe, sniffs the 2 deep on a good Miami team.

Stephen Morris was a turnover machine, threw 2 routes well. That's it.

I was disappointed in the Louisville game but besides that... I don't know what else people could have expected. And the Duke game? People can see the Duke insignia and just say they are terrible. That was a good, senior - laden football team with a better quarterback than we had. **** they gave A*M everything they wanted in the bowl game.

I've been posting on Canes boards for a decade, I went to UM, and no one wants to see UM get back to whoopin *** more than me. But, just cause we are UM doesn't mean we have some certain degree of talent all the time. It's just a uniform, just colors. Bottom line, Golden has improved the record every year, has brought some honest-to-god talent back to UM. Now, do I expect this team to improve dramatically on D this year? **** yes. Do I expect us to win the Coastal? **** yes.

But man, some people on this board just have to get past this "we are UM, therefore our team is talent heavy" despite huge evidence to the contrary.

The thing that gets me is that had that Louisville game been competitive this board has an entirely different vibe. The narrative would have been "tough loss to Louisville, but hey TB is a great college QB -- Golden and company, once they finish restocking the talent, have this team on the right path". Instead, we lose that game badly and everyone is totally convinced that Golden is a fraud. Just seems wayyy overreactive.
 
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Another one of those "be rational" posts where the take away is that "well, we sucked, so it's okay if Golden sucks."
 
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That whole Golden's going to restock the cupboards is a mute point when we've fielded two of the worse defenses in UM history in consecutive years.
 
Well, anything logic-based you'd care to add? Or is that another one of those baseless mob-mentality posts that does nothing to address the thread?
 
"That whole Golden's going to restock the cupboards is a mute point when we've fielded two of the worse defenses in UM history in consecutive years. "

Don't see a problem in the internal logic of that post?
 
The thing that gets me is that had that Louisville game been competitive this board has an entirely different vibe. The narrative would have been "tough loss to Louisville, but hey TB is a great college QB -- Golden and company, once they finish restocking the talent, have this team on the right path". Instead, we lose that game badly and everyone is totally convinced that Golden is a fraud. Just seems wayyy overreactive.


I get where you are coming from but lost me at this part. You get the vibe because of the result, we looked outclassed, unprepared, uninspired, etc during that game, Golden spent all month talking about extra practices and how it would help guys understand and when you go out there and basically should have not even got off the bus it shows the complete opposite. It was his last game, of course some people will hold him accountable while some want to wish it was competitive or wonder how we could react in offseason.

If he wants to change the narrative of him not being able to prepare his teams against teams with winning record he gets another shot at UL first game of season. But for now he has to lay in the bed he made, if you want to see how badly prepared we were you might want to watch the UL game again, yikes.
 
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I was at the Louisville game -- I know how much of a clusterf*** that game was. Am I all aboard on Golden? **** no. But the "He is godawful" thing? Nah I don't see it.
 
JHall, I'd like to know what you found so hilarious? Just looking for factual-based discussion.
 
Didn't say that. Talent to go 11-1? No.

Who in the starting 22 sees meaningful time on a good UM team? You posted a picture but how about actual discussion.

I mean, I can post a picture of our last 3 draft classes if you want.
 
Wishful thinking OP. If you call for civility and actual football discussion on this board you will be accused of having Golden's nuts in your mouth.

And it's ******* MOOT POINT.
 
My issue is accepting mediocrity simply because we haven’t performed to a certain standard that a lot of us were accustomed to 10 years ago. I went to Arizona State so I contribute on their boards occasionally to see what’s going on. The difference is if they win 9 or 10 games it’s a successful season, at Miami that might buy you another year. It’s the nature of the beast when you take the job. I want Golden to succeed, I do. He’s a good guy and **** it if he succeeds here that means WE win. Do I think guys here should be calling for his head? YUP. That’s what makes elite corporations elite. We cant accept being average and wait patiently for a turn around if there are no signs of improvement (DEFENSE). It takes time and College Football is a game of cycles of who’s on top and who’s on the bottom. Miami’s coming, but I’ll be damned if we don’t pressure those directly involved to speed up the process. At the end of the day I just want to ensure that we don’t forget that this is the THE U **** it. WE HAVE A STANDARD.
 
Welcome to the board umfire - if you're the same guy from Shadow's place, your presence here is most appreciated. Even if you're not, welcome aboard. Fight the good fight with me!
 
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Welcome to the board umfire - if you're the same guy from Shadow's place, your presence here is most appreciated. Even if you're not, welcome aboard. Fight the good fight with me!

Yep same guy. Thanks for the welcome.
 
And to get this back to football, I think we'll see a much-improved Miami team this year.
 
The OP is quite accurate people. Yes, we are The U, and just because our players are running around with the U on their helmet does not mean we will win. If you look at MOST of the top programs in college football, they tend to end up with consistently top ten recruiting classes, basically what I am trying to say is to be a elite program you have to have elite players at just about every position. Out of our 22 projected starters how many of them are elite players? Now look at FSU, Bama, Etc, and tell me how many elite players you see. It's simple we have to get elite players to be elite again.
 
I'm CaneBone over there. I've started some X/O threads here in the last week or so. There's some quality on this site - stick around!
 
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