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I find the idea of respect funny, The overall lack of respect from today's youth is very wide spread, most respect nothing, because they were coddled and given everything.
 
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4Canes said:
I find the idea of respect funny, The overall lack of respect from today's youth is very wide spread, most respect nothing, because they were coddled and given everything.
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Their generation will be the first to show or give zero respect and then complain when they don't get any in return. I say sink or swim. If you can't stand the heat then GTFO of Coach D's kitchen!!!

Female shoulders IMO...
 
SPFRcane said:
I know for a fact that kids that started games at the end of the year that did not get any burn at the beginning....can't stand Coach D.
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Does that pretty much narrow it down to Tracy and Jenkins, or am I missing someone?
 
I never really take the kids words for it anyway. They don't really know anything about anything. "Oh I'm so much better than player x, but he starts over me! Coach is biased and plays favorites" "Oh Coach is a douche. He yells a lot yadda yadda".

Whatever man, those kids have no perspective. They're 18-22 year olds and in many cases for a variety of reasons, haven't had too much experience with a strong male disciplinarian in a position of authority. That's just the God's honest truth.

More importantly though, and the point that bomb makes that is strongest, imho, is that these coaches have a job to do. The coach that purposely sits the better player for the worse player is the coach without a job at the end of the year. It defies all logic. And here's the funny part. If you have followed this team over the last ten years or so, you've probably realized by now that this same story appears every friggen year. Someone has the same template saved up somewhere and just replaces the coach and player names.

It's all bull****.
 
This thread just makes me happy. So much negativity all over the place and yet right here there is logic.... I feel I must me dreaming
 
It's truly amazing to me that people aren't able to see the grey area that exists here. I doubt that the complaints about D'onofrio come solely because of the way he talks to kids. Rather, it is probably a combination of things, including the way he talks to kids, and including the fact that he hasn't been able to get the guys to respect him yet. It's okay to yell and what not, but if you become petulant, nobody is going to listen. If Nick Saban walked around doing the verbal version of stomping his feet and plugging his ears, he would not be a very good coach. As always, the truth with D'onofrio is somewhere in between. He probably has a bad demeanor that gets tiresome, but he also probably encountered players who weren't ready for that kind of treatment. Don Soldinger talked about players like they were trash but everybody respected him and worked hard for him. ****, if you listen to him now, he regularly trashes Jamal Carter, a 'Cane commit (sol is his strength coach at his high school) but I guarantee you that the kid will be rewarded by Soldinger accordingly if he works hard, and Soldinger won't become petulant. That's what Coach D has to be (and may already be, I personally think some of these 'complaints' are a little overboard and mean little...just an anecdote that gets too much attention on a message board).


Again, the OP assumes that Coach D will treat players better when they work harder, etc. If he doesn't, that is where the problems come. Nobody likes having a boss who tells you do something wrong and you are an idiot, and then you fix it and keep working hard, but still get told you're an idiot. Again, the players are kids and managing personalities is part of the college game. This isn't the pros and it isn't as simple as saying "grow up." Some of the players need to toughen up a bit and this is part of it, but there also needs to be a balance or else you will begin the lose the players. I think Golden will make sure that balance exists and I'm not really concerned about it, I just think it's bull**** to put everything on the players and say how they were coddled, they're soft, need to work harder, etc. Some of them may be but there are a LOT of complaints about Coach d. He doesn't get a free pass to act however he wants and have the players live with it. As a college coach it is his job to manage personalities too. Some people don't respond to that coaching style., so Coach D may need to tone it down with them. That doesn't mean they are "soft" or coddled.
 
weownfsu said:
It's truly amazing to me that people aren't able to see the grey area that exists here.
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What do you expect from Miami Hurricane fans for the most part?

It is all or nothing for many in Hurricane nation, that is the way it is.

Let's not forget that we have fans that still defend RS.
 
Part of it is shtick. When they got here we had 85 of the biggest prim donnas playing CFB. The culture under Shannon as so poor that most of the players ha no respect for anything. As the culture changes he'll be able to relax the tough SOB act some.
 
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Players think coaches are ****s. This isn't a new phenomenom. Doesn't mean they are bad coaches, doesn't mean the players are soft or whiners.
 
jerzeycane said:
weownfsu said:
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How come the "nose to the grindstone" Temple kids had no problem playing for D?
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They may have had a problem playing for him.
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Their success would suggest otherwise.
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They may have still had a problem playing for him, but, people are less inclined to listen to whiny *****assedness when you are successful. That's the only reason this is an "issue" right now. If we were wrecking **** on defense, nobody would be *****ing, and even if they were, nobody would give a baker's ****.
 
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Did the players hate D'Onofrio when they were jumping up and down around him at the end of the Virginia Tech game?

The only reason this is even a story is because we were awful on defense. There has to be "something" wrong.

Golden has seen his work up close and personal for years. This is a non-issue, IMO.
 
Hypothetical: what if D'Onofrio was a laid back coach and all the guys loved to play for him, but the results were the same?

All of a sudden the rhetoric becomes, "we need a fiery coach like Bo Pellini or Jim Leavitt."

Just win.
 
This is just the weeding out process. It's a real culture shock for some of these kids who probably never had to work that hard in HS to begin with and got by on talent alone, now all the sudden some new guy who never sat in their parents living room is yelling at them to bust their *** and they don't like it. I saw this **** happen on my college lacrosse team, not comparing it to our situation but we had the kids who drifted and the kids who decided to re commit to the program and their teammates and understand your playing for something bigger then your ownself. Get rid of the ones who don't want to be here, I'd rather take a kid with less talent more character then a kid with more talent less character
 
jerzeycane said:
weownfsu said:
jerzeycane said:
weownfsu said:
jerzeycane said:
How come the "nose to the grindstone" Temple kids had no problem playing for D?
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They may have had a problem playing for him.
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Their success would suggest otherwise.
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Just because they were successful does not mean they liked playing for him.
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Quite frankly, I don't care if they like him. Temple guys performed under him and that's what I want our guys to do.
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I completely agree. Players "loved" Coker and Shannon, but rarely played hard for him. One thing OP was completely right about IMO is that if anyone is going to be a hardass, it's good that it's a coordinator because there is a buffer between the player and DC/OC. However, I just don't think it's fair to excuse a coach and blame players IF the coach is acting petulant, belligerent, etc. I don't think that's the case coach with D at all, but what I was basically trying to get across is that managing personalities is a big part of coaching college football, especially at this level and that the truth is probably somewhere in between in regards to how Coach D acts. He may need to tone it down with certain guys to get the most out of them, and certain guys may need to toughen up if they want to reach their potential.
 
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