A note about Miami three-stars

[gogeta4]

No disrespect, but I've heard you guys talk about "under the radar" Miami kids for years.

Knowles, Brady, Gray, Waters, D. Jackson, etc were all supposed to be underrated beasts according to some of yall - yet none of them have shown a **** thing.

Meanwhile, our best players have been 4/5 stars like Kaaya, Duke, Artie Burns, etc

If South Florida 3 stars were so great, FIU would win the Sun Belt just once. FAU would beat Memphis and be the most talented team in the AAC. Or USF.

Man....yall got a little homerism going, I'm just saying. South Florida is great for recruiting, but some of you blow it way out of proportion

FAU didnt get 3 star recruits in the area...inf act with schnelly they did a poor job imo of recruiting south florida.

FIU had Mario Cristobal as coach. They aint winning sh*t with him there...though they were loaded.

-The fact that you named a freshman, and 3 second year players shows how much of an idiot you are.

Herb Waters produced for us.

Trayon Gray have no clue why he doesnt get carries...all i know is when he does he produces...

Dont realy care what FIU,FAY,,we just need to hit on OUR guys..and develop them...


I have a S.FLA Bias and will continue to have one until someone shows me a better tri county area that plays better high school football. Im only leaving down here for unique talent.

 

[CaneInTheBrain]

I think we should try to get Alonzo Highsmith back to Miami in some kind of exec. position to head up player evaluations and recruiting. Pay him whatever you were gonna pay the OC, since we don't really need one anyway.

He's exactly the kind of professional, full-time talent evaluator we need if we're really gonna do it right. Then, you need about 10 high school coaches from Dade/Broward/Palm Beach to report to him, and their job can be to do scouting reports, watch practices, etc.

200+ Div1 kids in the area, this should be run as a professional organization IMO. We shouldn't have our coaches splitting time when they need to be focused on coaching.

 

[brock]

No disrespect, but I've heard you guys talk about "under the radar" Miami kids for years.

Knowles, Brady, Gray, Waters, D. Jackson, etc were all supposed to be underrated beasts according to some of yall - yet none of them have shown a **** thing.

Meanwhile, our best players have been 4/5 stars like Kaaya, Duke, Artie Burns, etc

If South Florida 3 stars were so great, FIU would win the Sun Belt just once. FAU would beat Memphis and be the most talented team in the AAC. Or USF.

Man....yall got a little homerism going, I'm just saying. South Florida is great for recruiting, but some of you blow it way out of proportion

FAU didnt get 3 star recruits in the area...inf act with schnelly they did a poor job imo of recruiting south florida.

FIU had Mario Cristobal as coach. They aint winning sh*t with him there...though they were loaded.

-The fact that you named a freshman, and 3 second year players shows how much of an idiot you are.

Herb Waters produced for us.

Trayon Gray have no clue why he doesnt get carries...all i know is when he does he produces...

Dont realy care what FIU,FAY,,we just need to hit on OUR guys..and develop them...


I have a S.FLA Bias and will continue to have one until someone shows me a better tri county area that plays better high school football. Im only leaving down here for unique talent.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/102510/where-do-sec-football-players-come-from-look-to-georgia-and-specifically-atlanta

Georgia for the past 10 years has produced the most sec talent in entire country, yes hat includes Florida... Metro Atlanta this year had more draft picks than south Florida as well. Ga needs to become a pipeline for Miami. You can get everything from that state, at Florida you can't every year in some positions like qb, ol etc...

 

[jkaz1]

There are quality QBs every year in Florida now...Far different than a couple decades ago....

 

[FrancisSawyer]

DMoney that's the truth that ESPN, SEC and Medium 10 (aka Big 10) know too well. They know Miami can dominate if and when we rebuild our program by capturing the majority of "top talent" in the State of Miami alone. So they engage in a negative press campaign whenever they can. Bama's, Gaters and Noles success is predicated on getting top skill talent from Lake Okeechobee down. There just doesn't exist enough top talent from Gainesville west to Pensacola to provide enough talent to be a top team consistently.

I'll say it and I'll say it again, the U needs a global plan to dominate college football that includes:

1. A 60K stadium at that park spot overlooking Biscayne Bay or Tropical Park. Imagine games being broadcast with BB as the backdrop, yachts and recreational vehicles tearing it up.

2. The Team Buses would take a regular route to stadium where fans could line the streets a cheer for them as they head to the stadium to create that college town spirit.

3. Promotional campaigns and camps in PB, Broward and Dade to indoctrinate the communities and future talent to be Canes fans.

4. Game day atmosphere should be electric and different from what you get at a hickville college town. South Florida style with pre-game concerts with popular artist, music and dancing. Food and Cane apparel vendors. A Canes Only College game day stage where they interview former players and toast classes and teams. Setting should be tropical, differing the U from any college before us.

We got to have a global plan not just a staff and good facilities.

Excellent post! Agree with all points. We are literally sitting on a goldmine but I have yet to see this program formulate and put into place a comprehensive and integrated plan/strategy to dominate college football. We have the resources. It can be done. To me it starts with developing an on field identity both offensively and defensively. That identity should be firmly rooted in SoFla football culture. Our teams should always be fast, aggressive, explosive and mentally tough and the schemes we run should reflect that.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

I would imagine that there are more 3* players in the NFL overall since there is a much larger pool of 3* players in college. In other words, there are simply fewer 4* and 5* players to draft.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

No disrespect, but I've heard you guys talk about "under the radar" Miami kids for years.

Knowles, Brady, Gray, Waters, D. Jackson, etc were all supposed to be underrated beasts according to some of yall - yet none of them have shown a **** thing.

Meanwhile, our best players have been 4/5 stars like Kaaya, Duke, Artie Burns, etc

If South Florida 3 stars were so great, FIU would win the Sun Belt just once. FAU would beat Memphis and be the most talented team in the AAC. Or USF.

Man....yall got a little homerism going, I'm just saying. South Florida is great for recruiting, but some of you blow it way out of proportion

FAU didnt get 3 star recruits in the area...inf act with schnelly they did a poor job imo of recruiting south florida.

FIU had Mario Cristobal as coach. They aint winning sh*t with him there...though they were loaded.

-The fact that you named a freshman, and 3 second year players shows how much of an idiot you are.

Herb Waters produced for us.

Trayon Gray have no clue why he doesnt get carries...all i know is when he does he produces...

Dont realy care what FIU,FAY,,we just need to hit on OUR guys..and develop them...


I have a S.FLA Bias and will continue to have one until someone shows me a better tri county area that plays better high school football. Im only leaving down here for unique talent.

Legit post!

 

[Macca]

How did Antonio Brown fall through the cracks? I don't remember what the deal was with him but he is filthy in the NFL. LuCane, nice hockey reference, well done. I am a northern guy with a hockey background so seeing the Gretzky comment on a Canes board took me by surprise. If only the game of hockey was as easy as the Gretter made it look...

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

How did Antonio Brown fall through the cracks?

John Brown of the Cardinals was the biggest "fall though the cracks", He came out in 2008. But as far as Antonio is concerned, He originally signed with FIU, got in trouble there, and ended up at Western Michigan. He had a fallin' out with His Mom in HS, ended up moving out & homeless...kid said He had to have recruitiing visits on street corners.

 

[Katzenboyer]

I would imagine that there are more 3* players in the NFL overall since there is a much larger pool of 3* players in college. In other words, there are simply fewer 4* and 5* players to draft.

This. For Rivals, there are only 20-30 five stars every year. There are hundreds and hundreds of three-stars.

If you look at it proportionally, the number of highly rated five-star recruits drafted is considerably higher as compared to three stars that are drafted. More three stars are drafted every year because there are exponentially more three-star rated players.

 

[The Franchise]

I would imagine that there are more 3* players in the NFL overall since there is a much larger pool of 3* players in college. In other words, there are simply fewer 4* and 5* players to draft.

This. For Rivals, there are only 20-30 five stars every year. There are hundreds and hundreds of three-stars.

If you look at it proportionally, the number of highly rated five-star recruits drafted is considerably higher as compared to three stars that are drafted. More three stars are drafted every year because there are exponentially more three-star rated players.

Changes nothing because the 3 stars also make up the same majority of college rosters. Therefore, you better pick the best ones.

 

[Katzenboyer]

I would imagine that there are more 3* players in the NFL overall since there is a much larger pool of 3* players in college. In other words, there are simply fewer 4* and 5* players to draft.

This. For Rivals, there are only 20-30 five stars every year. There are hundreds and hundreds of three-stars.

If you look at it proportionally, the number of highly rated five-star recruits drafted is considerably higher as compared to three stars that are drafted. More three stars are drafted every year because there are exponentially more three-star rated players.

Changes nothing because the 3 stars also make up the same majority of college rosters. Therefore, you better pick the best ones.

It does change things. The OP said that "there are more Miami three stars in the league than any other city." The problem with that is that if you did out the math, the "success rates" on Miami three stars making the league is something like less than 5% because of the sheer number of three stars.

Stated differently, the "success rate" of four and five stars is higher than that of three stars. Why? Because the math is skewed due to the MUCH higher number of three stars in the market.

You can hit on three stars but for every Antonio Brown, JJ Watt, AJ Hawk, etc., there are 1,000 nobodies who did nothing at the NFL/collegiate level.

 

[gogeta4]

How did Antonio Brown fall through the cracks? I don't remember what the deal was with him but he is filthy in the NFL. LuCane, nice hockey reference, well done. I am a northern guy with a hockey background so seeing the Gretzky comment on a Canes board took me by surprise. If only the game of hockey was as easy as the Gretter made it look...

Antonio Brown is/was like alot of s.fla kids...the best athlete on the team at Norland...so they played him at QB.

Well thats how you fall through the cracks being a 5'10-5'11 qb...similar to the kid we have currently committed in Desmond Phillips.

Had some off the field stuff...and went to Central Michigan..when he got pt...they struck gold.

I remember Tonio at Norland.....he always was shifty/good....well his dad Eddie was a player as well.

 

[Jassid82]

They had a GREAT article about him and TY Hilton and how they crossed paths as kids. (goes to show how much crazy talent there is in South Fla once again)

Article was on ESPN about a week ago. DID NOT KNOW that Antonio Browns dad was a coach at Boyd Anderson.

 

[The Franchise]

I would imagine that there are more 3* players in the NFL overall since there is a much larger pool of 3* players in college. In other words, there are simply fewer 4* and 5* players to draft.

This. For Rivals, there are only 20-30 five stars every year. There are hundreds and hundreds of three-stars.

If you look at it proportionally, the number of highly rated five-star recruits drafted is considerably higher as compared to three stars that are drafted. More three stars are drafted every year because there are exponentially more three-star rated players.

Changes nothing because the 3 stars also make up the same majority of college rosters. Therefore, you better pick the best ones.

It does change things. The OP said that "there are more Miami three stars in the league than any other city." The problem with that is that if you did out the math, the "success rates" on Miami three stars making the league is something like less than 5% because of the sheer number of three stars.

Stated differently, the "success rate" of four and five stars is higher than that of three stars. Why? Because the math is skewed due to the MUCH higher number of three stars in the market.

You can hit on three stars but for every Antonio Brown, JJ Watt, AJ Hawk, etc., there are 1,000 nobodies who did nothing at the NFL/collegiate level.

I understand that. But just like in the NFL draft scenario you're using, there are also way more 3 stars on college rosters than 5 stars. I don't care about percentages versus 5 stars because the fact is your roster will not be anywhere near all 5 stars. Therefore, you better be astute in evaluating those 3 stars that South Florida is known for producing versus other areas.

Pretty sure the point D$ was making was that South Florida produces some monsters disguised as 3 star recruits. The NFL draft proves that.

We need to do a better job of evaluating those 3 stars that blossom into NFL talent because no college roster is predominated by 5 stars for the same reason that there aren't that many 5 stars that make the NFL--there just aren't that many of them.

 

[OldhamA]

Meanwhile, our best players have been 4/5 stars like Kaaya, Duke, Artie Burns, etc

Denzel Perryman. Philip Dorsett. Allen Hurns. Clive Walford. Jon Feliciano. All South Florida three stars who are now playing on Sundays.

And I'm more concerned with the players we didn't get. Those are the guys embarrassing us in bowl games like Skai Moore and James Burgess. As for Gray, DJax and Knowles, let them develop. We knew they were raw going in.

The blueprint is simple:

1) Keep most of the superstars home. You will always lose some, but most of the Dalvin Cooks and Calvin Ridleys need to be here.

2) Fill your roster with South Florida players. That's the meat of your roster and your depth.

3) Only leave the state for first rounders. They won't all become first rounders, obviously, but you want to pursue guys with those kind of physical gifts. It's OK to go to New Jersey for David Njoku. It's not OK to go to New Jersey for Jamie Gordinier. If you want solid players, get them locally.

Surely we have to leave the state for the guys in the trenches?

 

[gogeta4]

They had a GREAT article about him and TY Hilton and how they crossed paths as kids. (goes to show how much crazy talent there is in South Fla once again)

Article was on ESPN about a week ago. DID NOT KNOW that Antonio Browns dad was a coach at Boyd Anderson.

he coached at Miami Northwestern like ayear ago...he got fired.

 

[Pixelated bukake]

It seems to me that 3* kids may also have a higher ceiling than 5* kids. Some of the latter are already studs at an early age and may not change much, even with better nutrition and training. They are genetic freaks. I think 3* may have more room for improvement. That said, they may never reach the level of some 5* kids. But, they may make bigger jumps in athleticism and play-making with enhanced nutrition and training.

As for how they translate to the NFL, that seems to be a completely different discussion. The fact is that most kids will not make it to the NFL. So, you're looking for kids that will excel at the collegiate level. I'm a big believer that a successful college team can have a core of well coached 3* kids with some 4 and 5* difference makers, guys that make plays that the 3* simply cannot make.

 

[bear]

This is the BEST recruiting post EVER posted on this site. IT SHOULD BE PINNED so we don't waste hours discussing stars and badgering 3 star recruits. When Perryman was a 3 star is when I lol at the whole business of stars.

Stars matter. The team with the higher ranked players will generally have a talent advantage. But stars don't tell the whole story. Especially when it comes to players from Miami.

As of today, there are 22 players from the city of Miami in the NFL that were ranked three stars or below in high school. That means that, even without including four and five-star players, Miami has more players in the NFL than any other city in the world.

What about quality? According to the NFL's player rankings, four of the Top 60 players in the NFL are three-stars or below from Miami (Antonio Brown, TY Hilton, Elvis Dumervil and Lavonte David). That's more than Alabama, USC, LSU, Florida, FSU or any other school in the country.

And you know what's the craziest thing about these stats? We're not even including Broward and Palm Beach. It's just different down here.

 

[Macca21]

Thanks for the info CS4Ever. Did not know that about Brown.