forums

A name at LB to keep an eye on…

gogeta4 said:
We have an edgeaater poster that likely will give us the real run down here.

This poster showed no bias and told us from the jump on Troutman who washed out.

Im drawing a blank but im sure he will be in here.

If he aint a safety not sure on this from my point of view and that is strictly based on us suplosedly suppose to be getting bigger at lb. His athleticism checks out but he may be a topped out guy or a guy that with a Wes Bissainthe ceiling weight wise. Him and horfan campbell would be two lbs in the class coming in under 210 more than likely.

But its early spring and kid may have a lanky frame to add more weight. But this is also the reaso. I wasnt high on maycock at central to be in this class and they apoear similar
Click to expand...
Nothing on these highlights wow me. He's ok I guess, looks like a 3 star to me, maybe high 3 star.

Slow first step and he's a galloper (i.e., long speed) not super helpful when your job is to play in a phone booth. Not particularly aggressive with his hand or when he does tackle. When engaged with a blocker doesn't shed very well if at all.

Good things here are, he is long (pause), and does have good eye discipline. When he does tackle properly (i.e., outside shade or ball carrier eyes to inside hip) he tackles really well, which I see in the box and in the hole. Does a lot of wrap and throw tackles though (won't cut it in P4).

I agree with you, build like Wes, but I'd imagine Wes was more springy and had a faster first step.

This guy reminds me more of Chase Smith and being a great ST player down the line.
 
Advertisement
No idea how it plays out but the new approach to LB recruiting is obvious

I suppose it can’t be worse
 
JHallCanes said:
No idea how it plays out but the new approach to LB recruiting is obvious

I suppose it can’t be worse
Click to expand...
I'm not too sure what's obvious about it...

Before it was almost measurable and star chasing and now its evaluation and length (while they seem mid).

Would that be right? haha
 
Arehel said:
I'm not too sure what's obvious about it...

Before it was almost measurable and star chasing and now its evaluation and length (while they seem mid).

Would that be right? haha
Click to expand...
Not talking about this guy specifically

A lot of names on the board when you watch and things I’m told by people that know Heatherman I see the bigger picture a bit

But again I’m not saying it’s good or bad gimme 2-3 years on that
 
htownkidd said:
Just a heads up, ya’ll may not know this but just because a kid is 197 as a JR in HS…doesn’t mean he will be 197 in September of his FR year in college.

**** I’m glad the 6’1 is verified and he isn’t really 5’10 3/4. He could have arms that hang down to his knees and have the frame to be 230 by the end of his FR season.
Click to expand...
Hmmm, so let's explore this a little. You're saying that there's room for growth and maturity for a young player and they don't have to be the requisite height nor weight by the time they hit puberty to not be labeled a JAG or project?
 
htownkidd said:
Just a heads up, ya’ll may not know this but just because a kid is 197 as a JR in HS…doesn’t mean he will be 197 in September of his FR year in college.

**** I’m glad the 6’1 is verified and he isn’t really 5’10 3/4. He could have arms that hang down to his knees and have the frame to be 230 by the end of his FR season.
Click to expand...
NOW THIS IS WHY IS AID ITS EARLY SPRING AND HE MAY HAVE GROWTH POTENTIAL AS WELL.

The reason why u see a pause is just last week we heard Heatherman is looking for bigger size and length to be brought in....and he kind of falls in line with what Manny looked size wise for incoming lbs.

Kids film does check out me and those were verifiable height , weight, and testing number so he aint a 6'0 180-185 pound lb being stretched up for recruiting purposes.
 
This is the thing that always scares me about recruiting the young up and commer, especially when they come from programs that are not elite P4 schools. Do they know what it looks like in high school? Or are they used to having a player stick around for 3-4 years to finally develop into a starter?

We need to recruit freshmen that scare the upper classmen.
No 190lb frosh linebacker is making anybody lose sleep in that room. Nobody is calling the training staff to schedule extra workouts because of this dude.
But I guarantee that Hayden Lowe has the protein shakes in the d end room flying off the shelves.


Take players like Thibodeau, Phillips,
Or Christian Harris at bama.

These are players who’s high school measurable‘s were elite. Now I don’t have a problem, taking on projects or players that might gain weight. But aren’t we supposed to be competing with the same recruits that the elite schools are getting?
Everybody always says look at the offers and not the stars. Well, are we really in the business of competing against USF?
A lot of players have great tape. But how long is it gonna take to put 30 pounds on this guy?
Wes is eating two pan pizzas and half a cow just to barely stay at 225.

So our new defensive coordinator who is a linebacker expert is predicting that this guy’s gonna gain 20 to 30 pounds and maintain his speed? We already had Moss transfer, cause he couldn’t gain weight and 2 more that still can’t find a palacio de los jugos.

Is there something I’m missing? Is the position changing? Are the days of a 240 pound 235 pound linebacker over?

I’m not panicking. It’s just an observation. Can this guy recruit the position that he’s coaching at an elite level or not? Can he go to mater dei or img amd pull a 6’2 225 guy that just visited Oregon?
Cause if not he’s a jag.
This under the radar bs is smelling like the same cheap cologne we’ve been wearing for 20 years.
 
pacusmc said:
This is the thing that always scares me about recruiting the young up and commer, especially when they come from programs that are not elite P4 schools. Do they know what it looks like in high school? Or are they used to having a player stick around for 3-4 years to finally develop into a starter?

We need to recruit freshmen that scare the upper classmen.
No 190lb frosh linebacker is making anybody lose sleep in that room. Nobody is calling the training staff to schedule extra workouts because of this dude.
But I guarantee that Hayden Lowe has the protein shakes in the d end room flying off the shelves.


Take players like Thibodeau, Phillips,
Or Christian Harris at bama.

These are players who’s high school measurable‘s were elite. Now I don’t have a problem, taking on projects or players that might gain weight. But aren’t we supposed to be competing with the same recruits that the elite schools are getting?
Everybody always says look at the offers and not the stars. Well, are we really in the business of competing against USF?
A lot of players have great tape. But how long is it gonna take to put 30 pounds on this guy?
Wes is eating two pan pizzas and half a cow just to barely stay at 225.

So our new defensive coordinator who is a linebacker expert is predicting that this guy’s gonna gain 20 to 30 pounds and maintain his speed? We already had Moss transfer, cause he couldn’t gain weight and 2 more that still can’t find a palacio de los jugos.

Is there something I’m missing? Is the position changing? Are the days of a 240 pound 235 pound linebacker over?

I’m not panicking. It’s just an observation. Can this guy recruit the position that he’s coaching at an elite level or not? Can he go to mater dei or img amd pull a 6’2 225 guy that just visited Oregon?
Cause if not he’s a jag.
This under the radar bs is smelling like the same cheap cologne we’ve been wearing for 20 years.
Click to expand...
Preach

We got a dorito that knows how to call plays but needs help recruiting. I already know recruiting isn’t his strong area. We about to trot out Flagg types
 
Advertisement
gogeta4 said:
NOW THIS IS WHY IS AID ITS EARLY SPRING AND HE MAY HAVE GROWTH POTENTIAL AS WELL.

The reason why u see a pause is just last week we heard Heatherman is looking for bigger size and length to be brought in....and he kind of falls in line with what Manny looked size wise for incoming lbs.

Kids film does check out me and those were verifiable height , weight, and testing number so he aint a 6'0 180-185 pound lb being stretched up for recruiting purposes.
Click to expand...
A whole lotta pauses in this post @gogeta4 ! So many I Kant name all of em! U need to tighten up mane (BIG PAUSE)!
IMG_4981.gif
 
Cane30 said:
I like his highlights, highlights. What I don't like is his measurables. I thought Heatherman liked his LB's long? We already have 2 LB's currently to small in our lineup now. I thought we were done with this.
Click to expand...
That kid's long as ****. (pause)
You can tell in the tape.

It's not about height for Hetherman though. I'm assuming they evaluated his arm length.
 
pacusmc said:
This is the thing that always scares me about recruiting the young up and commer, especially when they come from programs that are not elite P4 schools. Do they know what it looks like in high school? Or are they used to having a player stick around for 3-4 years to finally develop into a starter?

We need to recruit freshmen that scare the upper classmen.
No 190lb frosh linebacker is making anybody lose sleep in that room. Nobody is calling the training staff to schedule extra workouts because of this dude.
But I guarantee that Hayden Lowe has the protein shakes in the d end room flying off the shelves.


Take players like Thibodeau, Phillips,
Or Christian Harris at bama.

These are players who’s high school measurable‘s were elite. Now I don’t have a problem, taking on projects or players that might gain weight. But aren’t we supposed to be competing with the same recruits that the elite schools are getting?
Everybody always says look at the offers and not the stars. Well, are we really in the business of competing against USF?
A lot of players have great tape. But how long is it gonna take to put 30 pounds on this guy?
Wes is eating two pan pizzas and half a cow just to barely stay at 225.

So our new defensive coordinator who is a linebacker expert is predicting that this guy’s gonna gain 20 to 30 pounds and maintain his speed? We already had Moss transfer, cause he couldn’t gain weight and 2 more that still can’t find a palacio de los jugos.

Is there something I’m missing? Is the position changing? Are the days of a 240 pound 235 pound linebacker over?

I’m not panicking. It’s just an observation. Can this guy recruit the position that he’s coaching at an elite level or not? Can he go to mater dei or img amd pull a 6’2 225 guy that just visited Oregon?
Cause if not he’s a jag.
This under the radar bs is smelling like the same cheap cologne we’ve been wearing for 20 years.
Click to expand...
Yes.
 
Advertisement
Linebacker is the least accurately evaluated position in high school football recruiting. (other than QB)

So sometimes you need to throw the rankings out of the window and trust your DC, particularly if he's a LB guy. Nobody knows what he needs for the LB position better than he does.
 
From his jr tape, he’s a 3 star imo. Lots of highlights against Wekiva, WP, Apk, Boone. Of those four teams, I think only 1 had a winning record.

Last year - the overall talent pool in CFL was better than it usually is. That being said I wouldn’t have this kid in a top 15-20 local ranking.

A few things that stood out to me with him…doesn’t have the pop you want to see. Not a great form tackler. A few false steps. Plays high behind the line for a guy who’s 6’1.

Shouldn’t be offering this kid this early in the process. Not a good offer here…
 
Back
Top