49ers did all of that complaining about our field...

[L A M P]

This is just ridiculous. You put it all on Garoppolo "overthrowing Sanders".

No, no, and NO.

In the first half, Idiot Shanahan should have called a timeout on third down prior to the punt. There was (or could have been) a minute and a half left, and when you have the ball, you have the ability to control the clock via first downs, out-of-bounds, and incomplete passes/downing the ball. Instead, he let 30 seconds run off the clock, about a third of the remaining time. ****, you could even see John Lynch up in the booth making the TO hand signal.

Then, they ran a couple of plays with no effort towards clock stoppage BEFORE calling timeout with under 30 seconds. IDIOTIC. They had THREE timeouts, does Shanahan get a cash bonus for saving first-half timeouts?

The end of the first half was just a sad display of a pvssy approach combined with horrible clock management. A minute and a half is PLENTY of time to score a TD when you have 2 or 3 timeouts and great offensive talent.

That's a lot of words to say he had poor clock management at the end of the half, which we all agree. I didn't put it all on the overthrow. I just had he not overthrown it, this wouldn't even be a thread. My point is the overreaction, not the throw.

 

[Redstate12]

If you think Shanahan lost the Falcons the super bowl or his play calling lost this game, you don't know football. They lead the league in rushing & play action throws. He ran his offense. The last two drives, they just didn't execute & their defense faltered. Two straight double digit blown leads is called an anomaly. Justin Verlander isn't trash bc he's been hit hard in the postseason. Stuff happens.

Not so much play calling as much game management. How do you not call timeouts to end first half? How do you not run the ball up 20-17 at least twice to burn some clock. Everyone knew Garopolo wasn't it. That being said to your point if Garopolo hits that bomb to Sanders we probably have a whole different outcome.

 

[L A M P]

Not so much play calling as much game management. How do you not call timeouts to end first half? How do you not run the ball up 20-17 at least twice to burn some clock.

No argument there. I think the Pats game he let the two GOATS (BB & Brady) get into his head. Extra risk, all the reward type situation. In hindsight he'd probably do it differently. Same with end of 1st half. That's not losing the game though, IMO.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I didn’t see that. Did that really happen?

Absolutely.

And the point is, if Shanahan took care of the things he should have taken care of, and if SF puts another score or two on the board when they had momentum, it doesn't come down to "If Jimmy doesn't overthrow the WR". Jimmy was very accurate all game, he can miss on a throw or two and it shouldn't be blamed on him.

Mahomes badly underthrew that one pass to Tyreek (that Tyreek trapped), and then a play or two later, he hits a 44 yarder. The difference is that Andy Reid didn't ***** up clock management or any other issue that was under his own personal control.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I think Buck & Aikman might have even commented on it when it happened, IIRC.

Another reason why Romo is a superior analyst to Aikman, Romo would have said it louder and prouder and made an issue of it.

Aikman and Buck made a soft comment on the failure to call TO before the punt, and then made one more comment when SF had the ball and didn't call TO, but other than that, they didn't give it much emphasis.

 

[SouthsideAtl]

he literally could've run straight into the line of scrimmage twice, run the clock, and kicked a field goal to ice the game. instead he passed twice and got ryan sacked and got called for holding, making them punt and giving brady another chance. there are times to run your offense and times to win the game. he chose wrong twice.

As a Falcon fan I agree ..the mf only ran the ball like 6-7 times in the second half and we were up big smh

 

[TheOriginalCane]

The end of the first half just gets worse when you realize that what Shanahan was so deathly afraid of was quickly going 3 and out and then going into halftime down 17-10. That worst case scenario, which seems unlikely given that the defense was playing lights out and the offense was moving the ball effectively all first half, is not the huge risk he thought it was. In the event of the worst scenario, he still gets possession to start the second half and is working with the 4th ranked offense in the league to bring him back.

That "risk" was well worth it because the upside would have been going into halftime up 17-10 and the ball to start the half and extend the lead to double digits.

End of the day, coaching scared always loses in modern day football. But with the way Shanahan coaches maybe he knew he was bound to choke and his ideal scenario was for defense to have been out there all 60 minutes so he wouldn't need to coach his team to a win.

Exactly.

Let's say that Shanahan calls the TO before the punt, he would have had about 1:30 left. Let's say he runs 2 unsuccessful plays, either a run (maybe call a TO) and an incomplete pass. After running a third down play and then a punt, he gives the ball back to KC with maybe a minute left, and likely deep in KC territory.

At that point, the Chiefs had only scored 10 points and had little offensive momentum.

WHAT WAS SHANAHAN SCARED OF?

49ers defense had been playing great, so he blows the last 90 seconds trying NOT to score because he is afraid of what KC would do with 60 seconds and 80 yards from the end zone?

THAT is the kind of decision-making that puts Shanahan into this situation and this discussion.

 

[Redstate12]

No argument there. I think the Pats game he let the two GOATS (BB & Brady) get into his head. Extra risk, all the reward type situation. In hindsight he'd probably do it differently. Same with end of 1st half. That's not losing the game though, IMO.

No disagreement there.

 

[305to954]

Dats my Mahomeboy

 

[TheOriginalCane]

KC had limited possessions because a couple factors.
One, San Francisco limited the big plays early on. KC was having those 3 or 4 play scoring drives. Two, San Fran mixed the run and pass together and ran the play clock down along with moving the chains on drives.
And 3, they made KC have to convert unfavorable 3rd down. Once again making KC drive the ball instead of allowing KC to win 1st and 2nd down. Now KC did commit to the run game early on and did not seem to be looking for the chunk plays early.

as far as the way San Fran handled the end of the half, I had no problem with it. They weren’t generating big numbers plays in that half and were getting the ball to start. The last thing u want is to give KC the ball b4 the end of the half with good field position and a good chunk of the clock available to erase the half.

I thought Jimmy G played well. Ints are gonna happen. That first one he tried to throw it away but the hit affected that . But when it was time to drop one more dime to sanders he missed. KC to their credit put up 21 on 3 straight possessions which is great

That comment is just insane.

KC snapped the ball on third down with 1:53 left, SF could have taken a TO and gotten the ball with 1:40 left.

Now, if you want to burn 100 seconds because "you are getting the kick" in the third quarter, let's analyze.

SF gets the ball with 59 seconds left, runs once, snaps with 26 seconds left (hmmm, trying to run out the clock, yet they don't run out the clock) and runs a second time. KC calls TO. Now there are 20 seconds left and SF then THROWS THE BALL. Successfully. TAKES THEIR FIRST TIMEOUT WITH 14 SECONDS LEFT. Clearly they think that they can salvage a FG, and almost score (but for Kittle's offensive PI penalty). Bottom line, they squandered over a minute, and would have given themselves the chance to score if there was more time. They actually made an effort for 14 seconds.

What a joke.

If the FULL INTENT was to burn the clock prior to the half, you RUN on that third down. 14 seconds left.

But that's not what happened. Shanahan changed his mind, and then had no time to do anything.

Idiotic.

 

[streetja]

I’m saying tho..look at the field position. Look at the way the game was unfolding up until that point. You get the ball back to start the half. Your QB had just thrown a ill advised pick earlier. Understand who you are and how the game was going. It was a 10-10 ballgame. San Fran was not gonna win this game if it became a shootout, as shown in the 4th quarter. That’s not the way they play. KC can generate chunk plays no matter down or distance. 49ers no. All in all San Fran has the type of ball game they wanted

Using the final possession of the half and trying to score points with it isn’t turning the game into a shootout.

And whether you like it or not, to win the game SF was going to have to score more points than KC. You can't be in a better position to do that than by being in a spot where you’re guaranteed to have more possessions than KC from that point on. To waste one of those possessions and lose that advantage against that KC offense is idiotic.

And again, SF has the 4th best offense in the league. They would've had 2 TOs remaining and the entire playbook would've been open. This isn't them playing out of character by going for points, nor were they even facing a vaunted defense. It was set up perfectly for them and they decided to pass on it.

 

[L A M P]

SF gets the ball with 59 seconds left, runs once, snaps with 26 seconds left (hmmm, trying to run out the clock, yet they don't run out the clock) and runs a second time. KC calls TO. Now there are 20 seconds left and SF then THROWS THE BALL. Successfully. TAKES THEIR FIRST TIMEOUT WITH 14 SECONDS LEFT. Clearly they think that they can salvage a FG, and almost score (but for Kittle's offensive PI penalty). Bottom line, they squandered over a minute, and would have given themselves the chance to score if there was more time. They actually made an effort for 14 seconds. Shanahan changed his mind, and then had no time to do anything. Idiotic.

This plays out every week. Perhaps not the exact time frame but same scenario. Coach A is content with killing the clock while Coach B forces him to either convert or punt. Big play ensues & now Coach A decides to go for points. There's nothing idiotic about changing your mind. His initial call was wrong (IMO) but adapting to what transpired is just part of the game.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

The only reason they hit a big play that got brought back was because KC called a TO after their second down run play and forced their hand. The plan for Kyle was to run out the clock, KC just interfered with it.

Also, Kyle's direct quote was that he felt comfortable with the score line.

Not quite.

SF had a first down with 59 seconds to go. SF ran for 3 yards. Now, just to give some perspective, let's say that play took 9 seconds. KC DID NOT CALL A TIMEOUT. That means that if you took the full 40 second play clock, your second down run goes off around the 10 second mark.

BUT HERE IS THE PROBLEM.

Pvssy-boy Shanahan was not 100% committed to running out the clock AND he wasn't 100% committed to using his full time to score.

It wasn't KC that screwed up SF, it was Shanahan that screwed up SF. Because the 2nd run went off at the 26 second mark instead of the 10 second mark, and after only going for 2 yards, THAT is when KC took its FIRST timeout. Because, hey, if SF is going to keep running for 2 or 3 yards, then at least Andy Reid had the BALLS to try to let Mahomes take a shot or two before half.

And let's not pretend this was all about the pass interference penalty.

Now you are down to 26 seconds, and SF hits a 20 yard pass for a first down. Hey, this is all about "running out the clock", right? RIGHT?

No, because THEN Shanahan takes his first TO. At the 14 second mark. NOW he is actually trying to score. And it is only after the pass interference (6 seconds to go) that Shanahan FINALLY instructs the offense to take a knee.

Shanahan put himself in that situation by not committing to one strategy, and by belatedly trying to score once they had ONE successful play.

If he really wanted to run out the clock, BEFORE the one successful play, he lets the clock run after the first down run, when KC did NOT call a timeout.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

 

[streetja]

Shanahan put himself in that situation by not committing to one strategy, and by belatedly trying to score once they had ONE successful play.

Sounds exactly like Shanahan deciding not to trust Jimmy G only to turn around trust Jimmy G to put the game on his shoulders in the 4th quarter. Shanahan was a mess yesterday.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

This plays out every week. Perhaps not the exact time frame but same scenario. Coach A is content with killing the clock while Coach B forces him to either convert or punt. Big play ensues & now Coach A decides to go for points. There's nothing idiotic about changing your mind. His initial call was wrong (IMO) but adapting to what transpired is just part of the game.

You are wrong, as I just pointed out on a separate post.

Reid did NOT force Shanahan to "convert or punt".

Shanahan screwed up the clock. KC did NOT call timeout after the first down run. SF was on the 20 with 59 seconds. They ran for 3 yards AND KC DID NOT CALL A TIMEOUT. If Shanahan wanted to run out the clock, he would have instructed the offense to snap the ball around the 10 second mark. Instead, he sent in another running play and let the ball be snapped at 26 seconds.

THEN AND ONLY THEN DID REID FORCE A "CONVERT OR PUNT" SITUATION WITH A TIMEOUT.

That's what you are ignoring. Reid was ALSO content to let the half expire UNTIL Shanahan forced the issue with 2 quick and unsuccesful runs.

That's what you don't get. Reid took a timeout with 20 seconds left to give Mahomes MAYBE one chance to throw a Hail Mary.

Meanwhile, Shanahan changed his mind 2 or 3 times and then got surprised by a bit of success (on third down AND on the nearly-complete 42 yarder to Kittle, and that was not a horrendous PI play, so if the ref doesn't throw that flag, you've got SF scrambling around with 6 seconds left and only time for one play, which is either to attempt a pass or kick a FG.

STUPID.

If Shanahan had bigger balls, then he has more time to go for a TD (assuming Kittle is not flagged for PI) or else he has more time for Jimmy to throw deep (since the PI happened on first down).

Stupid, stupid, stupid clock management by Shanahan. In a big-game situation, he kept changing his mind, he wanted it both ways. He wanted to "burn clock" and he wanted to "take a couple of shots".

Pick one and stick to it. He didn't change his mind after the 3rd down 20-yard completion, he changed his mind after the 1st down run for 3 yards, when he called a second run instead of letting the clock wind down.

Stupid.

 

[305to954]

That comment is just insane.

KC snapped the ball on third down with 1:53 left, SF could have taken a TO and gotten the ball with 1:40 left.

Now, if you want to burn 100 seconds because "you are getting the kick" in the third quarter, let's analyze.

SF gets the ball with 59 seconds left, runs once, snaps with 26 seconds left (hmmm, trying to run out the clock, yet they don't run out the clock) and runs a second time. KC calls TO. Now there are 20 seconds left and SF then THROWS THE BALL. Successfully. TAKES THEIR FIRST TIMEOUT WITH 14 SECONDS LEFT. Clearly they think that they can salvage a FG, and almost score (but for Kittle's offensive PI penalty). Bottom line, they squandered over a minute, and would have given themselves the chance to score if there was more time. They actually made an effort for 14 seconds.

What a joke.

If the FULL INTENT was to burn the clock prior to the half, you RUN on that third down. 14 seconds left.

But that's not what happened. Shanahan changed his mind, and then had no time to do anything.

Idiotic.

I think the full intent was to burn out the clock. Until KC took the TO. We see this all the time in football. Change of strategy. After KC took that timeout. Let’s break down the sequence. 49ers get the ball with 59 left in the clock at their own 20..run the hall twice for 5 yards. KC takes a TO. Right there that tells you if u run it again and don’t pick up the First KC is gonna stop the clock. So u dial up a high percentage pass play to generate a first. They hit it for a huge chunk to bring u to mid field..that changes Everything. Now your in attack mode. Without that unfolding, with the ball on your 20, a 10-10 game and u getting the ball back, your content on running the clock. But when KC burns that TO u want to then pick up that first. The short pass break long and puts u at about mid field in primeTime position to steal points. We know what happened next with Kittle play..after that penalty I have no problem with sitting on the ball at that point.
now if your debating this was the reason San Fran loss I’d disagree heavily. If you wanna blame Kyles play calling I’ll still disagree heavily. Ppl saying San Fran should’ve pretty much sit on a 10 pt lead with 8 plus minutes to go are idiots. You keep running your offense and tryna move the ball. That’s how u put yourself in position to win. KC made two big stops. Jones came up with two big time batted balls that would’ve otherwise been big chunk plays. And I’m the end San Fran had to hit one more pass to Sanders. If Jimmy hits that pass, are we Monday morning coaching the game, ofc not. Tip your hat the KC defense and Mahomes for playing 3 big time drives

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Sounds exactly like Shanahan deciding not to trust Jimmy G only to turn around trust Jimmy G to put the game on his shoulders in the 4th quarter. Shanahan was a mess yesterday.

Yes.

I mean, think about this.

1st down at the 20, 59 seconds to go.

3rd down at the 25, 20 seconds to go.

Which one gives you the greater confidence level that you can get to the opponent's 35 and have a shot at a 52 yard FG?

In that second scenario, he hit a 20 yard pass play.

Now he has 1st down at the 45, but he only has 14 seconds to go.

What is the confidence level that you can get another 20 yards AND stop the clock. Essentially, you need a play that is identical to the one you just ran (20 yarder) and you have one, MAYBE two chances to hit it.

That's the insanity. If there is even a CHANCE that ONE GOOD PLAY will change your mindset about trying to score, then you need to give yourself more time. Period.

Stick to the plan. Either run out the clock, or make the effort.

Shanahan should not be trusted with clock management.

A (soon-to-be) Hall of Fame SAFETY is smarter about when to use timeouts on offense.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I think the full intent was to burn out the clock. Until KC took the TO. We see this all the time in football. Change of strategy. After KC took that timeout. Let’s break down the sequence. 49ers get the ball with 59 left in the clock at their own 20..run the hall twice for 5 yards. KC takes a TO. Right there that tells you if u run it again and don’t pick up the First KC is gonna stop the clock. So u dial up a high percentage pass play to generate a first. They hit it for a huge chunk to bring u to mid field..that changes Everything. Now your in attack mode. Without that unfolding, with the ball on your 20, a 10-10 game and u getting the ball back, your content on running the clock. But when KC burns that TO u want to then pick up that first. The short pass break long and puts u at about mid field in primeTime position to steal points. We know what happened next with Kittle play..after that penalty I have no problem with sitting on the ball at that point.
now if your debating this was the reason San Fran loss I’d disagree heavily. If you wanna blame Kyles play calling I’ll still disagree heavily. Ppl saying San Fran should’ve pretty much sit on a 10 pt lead with 8 plus minutes to go are idiots. You keep running your offense and tryna move the ball. That’s how u put yourself in position to win. KC made two big stops. Jones came up with two big time batted balls that would’ve otherwise been big chunk plays. And I’m the end San Fran had to hit one more pass to Sanders. If Jimmy hits that pass, are we Monday morning coaching the game, ofc not. Tip your hat the KC defense and Mahomes for playing 3 big time drives

Just stop it.

You are delusional.

As I pointed out, if the "full intent" was to "burn out the clock", then you don't send in a running play and snap the ball at 26 seconds.

You keep lying about the KC timeout forcing the issue. You are wrong.

If SF snaps the ball on 2nd down AT THE TEN SECOND MARK and only runs for 2 yards, there is no way in **** that Andy Reid calls that first timeout.

Stop inventing a fake mythology about Andy Reid "forcing" a situation that would never have been a situation if Shanahan knew how to manage the clock.

If the "full intent" was to run out the clock, and KC is not calling a timeout after the unsuccessful first down run, then the half is over IF SHANAHAN KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING.

Shanahan panicked, as he has done before, and will likely do again. He changed his mind and blew the opportunity. Andy Reid goes into the locker room with all of his timeouts if Shanahan sticks to his "full intent".

Stupid Shanahan.

 

[L A M P]

You are wrong, as I just pointed out on a separate post.

Reid did NOT force Shanahan to "convert or punt".

Shanahan screwed up the clock. KC did NOT call timeout after the first down run. SF was on the 20 with 59 seconds. They ran for 3 yards AND KC DID NOT CALL A TIMEOUT. If Shanahan wanted to run out the clock, he would have instructed the offense to snap the ball around the 10 second mark. Instead, he sent in another running play and let the ball be snapped at 26 seconds.

THEN AND ONLY THEN DID REID FORCE A "CONVERT OR PUNT" SITUATION WITH A TIMEOUT.

That's what you are ignoring. Reid was ALSO content to let the half expire UNTIL Shanahan forced the issue with 2 quick and unsuccesful runs.

That's what you don't get. Reid took a timeout with 20 seconds left to give Mahomes MAYBE one chance to throw a Hail Mary.

Meanwhile, Shanahan changed his mind 2 or 3 times and then got surprised by a bit of success (on third down AND on the nearly-complete 42 yarder to Kittle, and that was not a horrendous PI play, so if the ref doesn't throw that flag, you've got SF scrambling around with 6 seconds left and only time for one play, which is either to attempt a pass or kick a FG.

STUPID.

If Shanahan had bigger balls, then he has more time to go for a TD (assuming Kittle is not flagged for PI) or else he has more time for Jimmy to throw deep (since the PI happened on first down).

Stupid, stupid, stupid clock management by Shanahan. In a big-game situation, he kept changing his mind, he wanted it both ways. He wanted to "burn clock" and he wanted to "take a couple of shots".

Pick one and stick to it. He didn't change his mind after the 3rd down 20-yard completion, he changed his mind after the 1st down run for 3 yards, when he called a second run instead of letting the clock wind down.

Stupid.

You're very worked up over them snapping the ball with 12 secs left on the play clock. I just don't see why. He wasn't necessarily bleeding the clock nor was he trying to score. He was testing the waters. Play dictated Reid changing his mind, calling the TO.. then play dictated Shanahan calling the TO after the big conversion. I've seen this play-out like this countless times. Not going for points was the WRONG call in my opinion. That's worth complaining about.. not taking TO's. It literally happens all the time.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

That's a lot of words to say he had poor clock management at the end of the half, which we all agree. I didn't put it all on the overthrow. I just had he not overthrown it, this wouldn't even be a thread. My point is the overreaction, not the throw.

And my point is "score more points and we don't have to talk about one overthrow".