4 million for a HC

[The Franchise]

Dantonio finished 3rd and 5th in the last 2 years and is in the national title hunt again this year.

He could very easily win a championship if he were to stay at MSU.

And this is all without the benefit of highly ranked classes....

As for Patterson, since he's been at TCU for 15 years, I just don't think he'll be leaving anytime soon....but, for the right price, you never know....

Patterson is currently at $3M. Dantonio at $3.3 with Michigan state income tax. $4M with no state tax, in an easy division with Florida talent is still a great raise and opportunity for either of these guys if they ever want to win a NC.

The only way you're going to get a guy like Patterson or Dantonio is if they're dead set on exploring a new job. If they're already making near the max of what UM is prepared to offer, their current employer will just give the a raise of a few hundred grand. They won't lose those guys to UM over a couple thousand bucks. Only way you'll get guys like that offering $4M is if they've made up their mind they want to test themselves with access to better talent.

How does going from the Big 10 or Big 12, at their respective schools, to the ACC Coastal = testing yourself? Both of those schools have a heavier lift than UM does when it comes to getting to their conference championships and the final 4.

Odds are against them winning NCs at TCU and MSU. How many NCs have TCU and MSU won in the last 30 years? How many has Miami won? If you want to see what you can do with access to much better talent (the caveat you overlooked in my previous post), then you might make that move.

On Dantonio, he won't make the playoff this year. And he's losing his record-setting QB. His defense has taken a dip too.

You're right though. It'd be a major longshot for either guy, but it doesn't hurt to check. I get the feeling Patterson might want to see what he can do with access to great talent.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

I think 4M is more than enough. For comparison sake:

College: 7 guys make above 4.5M: Saban, Harbaugh, Meyer, Stoops, Fisher, Strong, Sumlin. The group between 4 and 4.5 are: Franklin (PSU), Miles, Freeze (Ole Miss), Briles, Richt, Malzhan, Ferentz (Iowa), Spurrier and Mullen (MSU). McElwain, Bielema and Patterson are just under 4M. This includes bonuses.
NFL: Pagano is making 4.5M coaching the Colts, Jay Gruden 5M coaching the Redskins. NFL average was 4.9M.

So it just makes sense to start at 3-4M and pay up once they get to a major bowl or BCS playoff. Paying more without results would be foolish unless it's a guy like Nick Saban ... or Chip Kellly.

The distance between Saban and Chip is the distance between WINNER and LOSER. Saban wins NCs, Chip scores points. There is a vast difference.

Who knows if Kelly can win a national title in college? He spent 4 years at Oregon (46-7) and lost a heartbreaker to Auburn.
Before him Belotti won the conference twice in 14 years and won the Rose Bowl once and that was 8 years before Kelly took over. Kelly went to 4 straight BCS games and won his conference 3 times.

Saban's first fours years at Michigan State were nothing to write home about (25-22-1) and year 5 he won 9 games before he split for LSU. And LSU was hardly spectacular the year before (8-5) he won the national title in 2003. Bottom line is nobody knew Saban would be this successful.

 

[Gatorhater]

Patterson is currently at $3M. Dantonio at $3.3 with Michigan state income tax. $4M with no state tax, in an easy division with Florida talent is still a great raise and opportunity for either of these guys if they ever want to win a NC.

The only way you're going to get a guy like Patterson or Dantonio is if they're dead set on exploring a new job. If they're already making near the max of what UM is prepared to offer, their current employer will just give the a raise of a few hundred grand. They won't lose those guys to UM over a couple thousand bucks. Only way you'll get guys like that offering $4M is if they've made up their mind they want to test themselves with access to better talent.

How does going from the Big 10 or Big 12, at their respective schools, to the ACC Coastal = testing yourself? Both of those schools have a heavier lift than UM does when it comes to getting to their conference championships and the final 4.

Odds are against them winning NCs at TCU and MSU. How many NCs have TCU and MSU won in the last 30 years? How many has Miami won? If you want to see what you can do with access to much better talent (the caveat you overlooked in my previous post), then you might make that move.

Being at Miami and hovering just outside the top 4 gives you a much better chance to get in the playoff. TV wants Miami and if ND is there they will jump out of their skins. Dantonio is the only coach not named Butch Davis I am interested in. Patterson has waited to long to be of interest. The 4 million does sound more like Butch and less like a "big" name. I am good with that.

 

[My2Sense]

Patterson is currently at $3M. Dantonio at $3.3 with Michigan state income tax. $4M with no state tax, in an easy division with Florida talent is still a great raise and opportunity for either of these guys if they ever want to win a NC.

The only way you're going to get a guy like Patterson or Dantonio is if they're dead set on exploring a new job. If they're already making near the max of what UM is prepared to offer, their current employer will just give the a raise of a few hundred grand. They won't lose those guys to UM over a couple thousand bucks. Only way you'll get guys like that offering $4M is if they've made up their mind they want to test themselves with access to better talent.

How does going from the Big 10 or Big 12, at their respective schools, to the ACC Coastal = testing yourself? Both of those schools have a heavier lift than UM does when it comes to getting to their conference championships and the final 4.

Odds are against them winning NCs at TCU and MSU. How many NCs have TCU and MSU won in the last 30 years? How many has Miami won? If you want to see what you can do with access to much better talent (the caveat you overlooked in my previous post), then you might make that move.

I think you're partially making my point (look at the tail end of what I wrote). $4M is still in the ball park for those coaches but Miami provides a much better path to an NC because of access to talent, a far easier Conference division (and access to a Conference Championship game - something TCU doesn't have).

 

[Gatorhater]

I think 4M is more than enough. For comparison sake:

College: 7 guys make above 4.5M: Saban, Harbaugh, Meyer, Stoops, Fisher, Strong, Sumlin. The group between 4 and 4.5 are: Franklin (PSU), Miles, Freeze (Ole Miss), Briles, Richt, Malzhan, Ferentz (Iowa), Spurrier and Mullen (MSU). McElwain, Bielema and Patterson are just under 4M. This includes bonuses.
NFL: Pagano is making 4.5M coaching the Colts, Jay Gruden 5M coaching the Redskins. NFL average was 4.9M.

So it just makes sense to start at 3-4M and pay up once they get to a major bowl or BCS playoff. Paying more without results would be foolish unless it's a guy like Nick Saban ... or Chip Kellly.

The distance between Saban and Chip is the distance between WINNER and LOSER. Saban wins NCs, Chip scores points. There is a vast difference.

Who knows if Kelly can win a national title in college? He spent 4 years at Oregon (46-7) and lost a heartbreaker to Auburn.
Before him Belotti won the conference twice in 14 years and won the Rose Bowl once and that was 8 years before Kelly took over. Kelly went to 4 straight BCS games and won his conference 3 times.

Saban's first fours years at Michigan State were nothing to write home about (25-22-1) and year 5 he won 9 games before he split for LSU. And LSU was hardly spectacular the year before (8-5) he won the national title in 2003. Bottom line is nobody knew Saban would be this successful.

Good point. Until Nick got to a school where he could buy recruits with ncaa permission he was worth a crap. I agree with that. But isn't buy a recruit what got Chip that Show Cause letter that he ran to nfl to escape? Just saying.

 

[MIA42178]

4 is enough for a good coach but it wont get a top coach.

Gundy gets $3.65 firm OkSt

Gundy at Miami would be unfair to college football

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

4 is enough for a good coach but it wont get a top coach.

Gundy gets $3.65 firm OkSt

Gundy at Miami would be unfair to college football

I agree. But does 4 million pull him from his school?

 

[3FW]

As soon as OKST knows we are serious, they give him $5M. $4M is a joke, and not the real number. That number has never been said to anyone.

 

[FullyERicht]

Not only is our new coach going to be an upgrade, but I read in another post, they are going to make a much stronger commitment to the football program so we can get back to being elite...
We can hope right?

You read a report from a Tony Robbins seminar. These guys are gassing up the fans and trying to spread this message of "we're going to spend whatever it takes and do whatever it takes" in order to get the heat off them.

They're holding Tony Robbins seminars and inviting dorks and giving them nebulous information to pass along to the less fortunate fans through social media. It's a smart play by UM. Make it seem like they went after guys like Chip but just couldn't get it done and wound up with some schlub.

Watch how they disseminate the "we were inches from hiring _____, but there was a major red flag at the last minute" line of **** after they hire a schlub. They'll claim some candidate was a drunk or an insufferable egomaniac or some other lame ****. Watch for it.

If this Admin comes out of this search with anything but an elite coach or a stud like Herman, things will be worse than ever.

Either go all in or fold the program. Seriously. I have less than 0% interest in some 8 win team year after year.

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

Patterson is currently at $3M. Dantonio at $3.3 with Michigan state income tax. $4M with no state tax, in an easy division with Florida talent is still a great raise and opportunity for either of these guys if they ever want to win a NC.

The only way you're going to get a guy like Patterson or Dantonio is if they're dead set on exploring a new job. If they're already making near the max of what UM is prepared to offer, their current employer will just give the a raise of a few hundred grand. They won't lose those guys to UM over a couple thousand bucks. Only way you'll get guys like that offering $4M is if they've made up their mind they want to test themselves with access to better talent.

How does going from the Big 10 or Big 12, at their respective schools, to the ACC Coastal = testing yourself? Both of those schools have a heavier lift than UM does when it comes to getting to their conference championships and the final 4.

Odds are against them winning NCs at TCU and MSU. How many NCs have TCU and MSU won in the last 30 years? How many has Miami won? If you want to see what you can do with access to much better talent (the caveat you overlooked in my previous post), then you might make that move.

These guys are testing themselves in a higher way currently. They are fighting it out in better conferences and with talent that is considered inferior. The only thing currently that Miami can offer is better local talent. Both of these coaches can compete for a spot in the final 4 with where they have their programs. Miami hasnt even won their division since jumping to the ACC. I believe most people believe Miami's glory days are well past them. Miami has been majorly derelict in letting their program drop so far in this current atmosphere of college football. It may not mean much to fans but it surely means something to coaches. I think you overestimate how coaches view this job. They know they can coach at another program and be successful without dealing with the crap that Miami throws at you. Just step back and look at this schools admin and athletic department and now compare it to most others. Miami has a stigma that they cant seem to shake and the longer they continue down this path the smaller their chances get of ever being a consistent factor in the ACC.

How is Miami going to pitch any of these guys to leave programs where they are currently successful and have tons of support to a place like Miami where they have to fight like crazy to get any support from their own admin? Miami should just hire Butch at a lower price, spend money on assistants, and hope like crazy he can get the talent to come in droves. He knows the land mines around the program/area and knows what to expect. Jim Harbough aint walking through front door.

 

[marshallrc13]

With the talent base we have directly around us we really only need a good coach. **** we've been winning 7 - 9 games with bottom of the barrel **** coaches. Give us a good coach and we will compete.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

4 is enough for a good coach but it wont get a top coach.

Gundy gets $3.65 firm OkSt

Gundy at Miami would be unfair to college football

Do you think he would leave his alma mater though?

 

[3FW]

Chance he comes here for $4m is a negative percentage.

 

[Noliaboi]

Not for 4 mil, maybe 6 mil. **** TBoone Pickens may even match that. Lol

 

[olegs23]

4M is not enough to get a top tier coach. WAKE UP! 4M does NOT get you C. Kelly. Herman is not interested in coaching at NO LIFE STADIUM. Butch, Mario, Schiano and a few other mid tier coaches are the only realistic options. 5 years ago we went through the same thing and got Golden, the last person anyone expected. So please, don't get your beavers wet because Chip Kelly is not coming to Miami for 4M when he could go anywhere else and command 5M, complete control, their own stadium, and tons of boosters who have passion for FOOTBALL. Just because we have a new president doesn't automatically change the BOT's agenda, which is to get a bargin coach and invest the rest into medicine. My point is don't get your hopes up because it will burn you at the end of the day.

 

[DelrayCane]

The problem with UM isn't so much paying the coach its the assistants who are getting paid squat. I'd rather give Butch 2Million and another 2 Million for a real Offensive and Defensive Coordinator. **** give them $750K and use the $500K to hire a real strength coach.

 

[SolidCane]

As much as I hated the deal, it could end up being our saving grace.



Adidas.

 

[jkaz1]

The salaries for a few college coordinators of interest that I found:

Kirby Smart (Alabama DC): 1.5 million (2nd highest paid coordinator in college)
Brent Venables (Clemson DC): 1.35 million (6th highest paid)
Jeremy Pruitt (Georgia DC): 1.3 million (7th highest)
Bud Foster (VT DC): 0.9 million (10th highest)
Lane Kiffin (Alabama OC): 0.7 million (2014 salary)

And a few names for fun:

Cristobal (Alabama OL): 0.5 million (2014)
Dave Campo (Kansas): 0.5 million
Randy Shannon (when at Arkansas): 0.4 million
Eddie Gran (Cincinnati): 0.35 million
Dan Werner (Ole Miss): 0.3 million
Dennis Erickson (Utah): 275,000
Lamar Thomas (Louisville): 200,000
Vernon Hargreaves (Houston): 200,000
Telly Lockette (South Florida): 140,000
Kevin Patrick (North Texas): 85,000
Jeff Popovich (Texas - San Antonio): 69,000
Spencer Whipple (U Mass): 60,500

Lowest listed salary: Matt Brock (T Tech): 35,000

And just for more data on salary, below are the schools for some of the highest paid position coaches:

OL Coaches: #1 = UCLA, #2 = FSU #3 = Texas (from highest to 3rd highest paid)
DL Coaches: Michigan, Auburn, Oregon (1st to 3rd highest)
RB Coaches: LSU, Texas A&M, FSU
WR Coaches: Auburn, FSU, Georgia
TE Coaches: Alabama, FSU, Oregon
DB Coaches: Alabama, Nebraska, UCLA

The other position groups weren't listed...

 

[caneforever]

Is that for the HC or including staff? I don't see us paying a HC 6 or 7 million.

More like 6 or 7 mil for the right guy.

 

[3FW]

We have to find the guy we want and pay what it takes.