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30 X 13=11?

We the Boss said:
It takes a real jackass to win less than 10 with the schedules we’ve had. Our D isn’t bad but it’s inflated by short field drives. Also, any time the game was on them for a stop they folded. Good defense not great.
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We've had short field defenses for three straight seasons? Even if that was the case why is our overall scoring defense among the top teams in college football over that span?
 
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NE Canes said:
No offense intended but these kind of stats are funny.

If we scored more points we would have won more games. I think that goes without saying. Isn't that the entire point of the game. All the changes on O. This works for every team.
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Not every team. The gap between what our defenses and offenses have been is probably the biggest in college football.
 
Go Canes!! said:
Not every team. The gap between what our defenses and offenses have been is probably the biggest in college football.
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Nah, it works for every team. Score more and you win more. I get what you are trying show here, but these type of stats are meaningless.

Improve turnovers you win more. Improve 3rd down you win more. Score more points you win more. The O was pitiful last year and we played very poor teams. If the O improves with another easy schedule of course we win more games.

Really, it is a meaning less stat that every team can use even Clemson.
 
FrankTheTank said:
Interested to see how the defense does this year. They have been on the field a lot the past few years & if we are going to be running at the tempo expected there are instances where there will be on the field a whole lot
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And it’ll be worse if we run the up tempo, and not score. Posters here are right, 3rd down conversions and red zone fertility.
 
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The defense had to hate knowing they could never have a bad day or the team lost. They got put out there a lot on the 3-outs over the last four years. Lashlee runs a fast offense, but they do seem to generate sustained drives. The defense will also feed off the offense. It would be nice if the offense could score, putting pressure on the other team to throw more to catch up, which would expose them to the strength of the defense with the pass rush, instead of keeping teams in games when the offense can't get out of its own way.
 
Unsider said:
And it’ll be worse if we rum the up tempo, and not score. Posters here are right, 3rd down conversions and red zone fertility.
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That seems to be the point that too many miss. You maximize your possessions by scoring TDs. It doesn't matter how long it takes you to score them. Every possession without points is a lost opportunity.
 
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We the Boss said:
Our defense was man handled by a bad FIU squad. Anyone with eyes knows our defense was pedestrian last year. But continue to fall for bogus numbers.
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I think that’s kind of the point @Go Canes!! Is trying to make..... if our offense was even “pedestrian”, with the D we do have, the last season or 2 would’ve been the best we’ve had in a decade plus.

Whether you want to call the D elite, average or substandard, it makes no difference. That D with a very average O puts this team at 10-11 wins. or more.
 
Go Canes!! said:
Did a quick search to compare our offensive output vs top programs over the last three seasons. Wasn't surprised to see how badly our offense has been in comparison and how many losses could have been wins had we had any type of solid, consistent offensive output.

I understand it's an arbitrary number and situational football isn't accounted for, but using 30 points scored as the baseline, came up with this breakdown.

Number of games below 30 points scored in 2017, 18 and 19:

Bama 7 (5, 2, 0) Overall 38-4
Clemson 11 (5, 3, 3) Overall 41-3
Ohio State 7 ( 3, 3, 1) Overall 38-4

Miami 24 (8, 8, 8) Overall 23-16

Now the number of games with 30 points ALLOWED by season:

Bama (0, 2, 3)
Clemson ( 1, 1, 1)
Ohio State (3, 5, 0)
Miami (3, 1, 2)

Imo these stats show an offense so bad it left little or no margin for error. It also showed if we score 30 in every game of this very week schedule and 11 wins is a definite possibility.
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This is what’s so frustrating. Any level of competence the last 4 years would’ve had this program in a different place right now.

Thats assuming our talent on that side of the ball isnt a collection of the most overrated players since the Prescott High team That lost to the Goldy Hawn coached Wildcats in the 1985 state championship.
 
We the Boss said:
Our defense was man handled by a bad FIU squad. Anyone with eyes knows our defense was pedestrian last year. But continue to fall for bogus numbers.
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Our defense was far from "man handled" by FIU.

Numbers = Facts

You can't pretend they don't matter.

FIU ran 59 plays and finished with 160 passing yards...297 total.

Clemson gave up an average of 288 total yards and 172 yards passing per game in 2019. We're they "man handled" all season?

FIU scored on two drives on which we held them to less than 10 yards (one which went negative 8 yards) because our offense gave them the ball in scoring position twice...and their kicker hit two 50 yard FGs.

Don't exaggerate. It doesn't help your argument. We were average on third down and in the red zone. In literally every other category (pass defense, run defense, scoring defense, 1st downs, sacks, tackles for loss, and total defense) we were in the top 25.

In 2018 we were the best pass defense in the country and #1 in the country on 3rd down. I'd wager that the fact that we had three new starters in the secondary had a little something to with the drop-off...which by any standard was not staggering. We went from #1 in pass D to #18.

The bottom line is that our defense was fine last season. The idea that we should fire coaches on that side of the ball is utterly ridiculous.
 
Moonman said:
Our defense was far from "man handled" by FIU.

Numbers = Facts

You can't pretend they don't matter.

FIU ran 59 plays and finished with 160 passing yards...297 total.

Clemson gave up an average of 288 total yards and 172 yards passing per game in 2019. We're they "man handled" all season?

FIU scored on two drives on which we held them to less than 10 yards (one which went negative 8 yards) because our offense gave them the ball in scoring position twice...and their kicker hit two 50 yard FGs.

Don't exaggerate. It doesn't help your argument. We were average on third down and in the red zone. In literally every other category (pass defense, run defense, scoring defense, 1st downs, sacks, tackles for loss, and total defense) we were in the top 25.

In 2018 we were the best pass defense in the country and #1 in the country on 3rd down. I'd wager that the fact that we had three new starters in the secondary had a little something to with the drop-off...which by any standard was not staggering. We went from #1 in pass D to #18.

The bottom line is that our defense was fine last season. The idea that we should fire coaches on that side of the ball is utterly ridiculous.
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try this number 67th defense for strength of schedule
 
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We the Boss said:
try this number 67th defense for strength of schedule
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I showed a three year running total that showed we gave up big numbers defensively at a rate the three elite teams of college football have over the same span. Cherry picking a random weighted stat isn't much of rebuttal.

And before you throw out "We played in the Coastal", Clemson has played in the ACC over that same span and Ohio State has Northwestern, Rutgers, Indiana and Maryland in it's division.
 
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Go Canes!! said:
I showed a three year running total that showed we gave up big numbers defensively at a rate the three elite teams of college football have over the same span. Cherry picking a random weighted stat isn't much of rebuttal.

And before you throw out "We played in the Coastal", Clemson has played in the ACC over that same span and Ohio State has Northwestern, Rutgers, Indiana and Maryland in it's division.
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OSU =21
Clemson = 7
LSU = 5
Miami = 67

#buildingchampions
 
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