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Ok Pete, after watching the podcast today I thought we should take a look at it.
QB: Ward vs Beck, I would call it a push, but could argue that Beck might have the slight advantage because he has done it on the big stage.
RB: Damien and Fletcher vs Fletcher and Lyle, again I would say it’s a push, also again I think the 2025 team might be slightly better because of the contrast. Damien and Fletcher seemed like a thunder and thunder combo.
WR: I agree with Pete on this, the group didn’t exactly get better, but like Dmoney said, you really just need to replace Restrepo. This years team looks more physical than last years.
TE Arroyo and Williams vs Lofton and Bauman, I would give the nod to the 24 team, although the 25 team could be just as productive as 24.
OL: Push, but Brockmeyer is an upgrade at Center
DL: Push, although Scott and Blay looks more physical than Barrow and Clark last year.
LB: Kiko and Bisanthe vs Toure and Bisanthe, 25 looks more physical.
DB: 24 vs 25, 25 looks bigger across the board.
Just my opinion, didn’t want to get too in depth on the 2 and 3 deep.
 
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thepfink said:
Other than the spring game we didn’t know what we had in Cam just like Beck. You’re going off hindsight which is for rookies.
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You’re a moron. We knew what we had with Cam. He came in with Heisman talk. The moment he stepped on campus confirmed it.

More of this stupid *** “oh maybe, I dont know. And if I don’t know, nobody knows” bull****. Anybody that watched Cam play at Incarnate Ward or WSU saw his talent.

Cam >>>>>> Carson
 
thepfink said:
Ok Pete, after watching the podcast today I thought we should take a look at it.
QB: Ward vs Beck, I would call it a push, but could argue that Beck might have the slight advantage because he has done it on the big stage.
RB: Damien and Fletcher vs Fletcher and Lyle, again I would say it’s a push, also again I think the 2025 team might be slightly better because of the contrast. Damien and Fletcher seemed like a thunder and thunder combo.
WR: I agree with Pete on this, the group didn’t exactly get better, but like Dmoney said, you really just need to replace Restrepo. This years team looks more physical than last years.
TE Arroyo and Williams vs Lofton and Bauman, I would give the nod to the 24 team, although the 25 team could be just as productive as 24.
OL: Push, but Brockmeyer is an upgrade at Center
DL: Push, although Scott and Blay looks more physical than Barrow and Clark last year.
LB: Kiko and Bisanthe vs Toure and Bisanthe, 25 looks more physical.
DB: 24 vs 25, 25 looks bigger across the board.
Just my opinion, didn’t want to get too in depth on the 2 and 3 deep.
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Sorry but this post is weak. Most obviously calling Ward vs Beck a push. But also, you say DB - 25 looks bigger across the board. Do you really think size is vital to be a quality DB? Maybe you mean to say "better" not bigger?

I fully agree that last Spring we didn't know how great Ward would be. He did indeed outperform any reasonable expectation. But I don't expect that to happen two years in a row.
 
Offense will regress, every position group is worse besides OL.

Defense should be better off coaching alone. Front 7 will make or break this team.

On paper I believe we are marginally better across the board. We are banking on development and the young kids stepping up.
 
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Combo said:
Sorry but this post is weak. Most obviously calling Ward vs Beck a push. But also, you say DB - 25 looks bigger across the board. Do you really think size is vital to be a quality DB? Maybe you mean to say "better" not bigger?

I fully agree that last Spring we didn't know how great Ward would be. He did indeed outperform any reasonable expectation. But I don't expect that to happen two years in a row.
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Agree with what you said minus the bolded.

People who knew of Ward and watched him because they watched CFB knew he was the goods.

I will agree that he exceeded expectations despite them being extremely high.
 
I cant read the rest of the post after seeing you give Beck the advantage over Cam. Cam carried a mediocre offense with no o-line. Cam's strength was being a good passer, and his weakness was doing something incredibly stupid in plays that he turned into superman. It was always "he just has to stop trying to be superman". Beck to this point has been solid and simply won, but if you asked me before 2024 about Beck if he was good, I would've said he's overrated, and his 2024 season didnt help.
 
Gotta keep your hands up on CIS. Bad takes get battered..lol

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JamesQuall said:
You’re not a serious person if you believe this.

Beck is great but he’s **** sure is no Cam Ward.
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Soon as I saw that I stopped reading op and came to the comments to watch the hammer drop. It's crazy how quick some forget what we saw last year in Ward. I expect Beck to be really good but in no way will I be mad at him when doesn't put up Ward's stats or highlights. There's a reason we were debating Ward being the best qb to wear a Hurricane jersey.. ever. I'm just hoping Mario did enough that we can avoid a Patriots level drop off when Brady left.
 
ward vs beck is not a push
well know later if beck plays himself into a top 3 NFL pick then we can say possible push
i love the orange and green homerism, but thats lets be honest with ourselves
 
thepfink said:
Ok Pete, after watching the podcast today I thought we should take a look at it.
QB: Ward vs Beck, I would call it a push, but could argue that Beck might have the slight advantage because he has done it on the big stage.
RB: Damien and Fletcher vs Fletcher and Lyle, again I would say it’s a push, also again I think the 2025 team might be slightly better because of the contrast. Damien and Fletcher seemed like a thunder and thunder combo.
WR: I agree with Pete on this, the group didn’t exactly get better, but like Dmoney said, you really just need to replace Restrepo. This years team looks more physical than last years.
TE Arroyo and Williams vs Lofton and Bauman, I would give the nod to the 24 team, although the 25 team could be just as productive as 24.
OL: Push, but Brockmeyer is an upgrade at Center
DL: Push, although Scott and Blay looks more physical than Barrow and Clark last year.
LB: Kiko and Bisanthe vs Toure and Bisanthe, 25 looks more physical.
DB: 24 vs 25, 25 looks bigger across the board.
Just my opinion, didn’t want to get too in depth on the 2 and 3 deep.
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I agree 100% and that’s why @DMoney was correct yesterday on the podcast. Pete was literally digging in on something that he was dead wrong at and he wasn’t going to give in because he wanted to be right. Those are the facts, this year’s team, across the board is bigger stronger and faster than last year, especially on the D line and if Pete can’t see that, then he’s been watching too much soccer.
 
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JamesQuall said:
You’re a moron. We knew what we had with Cam. He came in with Heisman talk. The moment he stepped on campus confirmed it.

More of this stupid *** “oh maybe, I dont know. And if I don’t know, nobody knows” bull****. Anybody that watched Cam play at Incarnate Ward or WSU saw his talent.

Cam >>>>>> Carson
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I knew it

And I don’t know ****

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NicKane said:
I agree 100% and that’s why @DMoney was correct yesterday on the podcast. Pete was literally digging in on something that he was dead wrong at and he wasn’t going to give in because he wanted to be right. Those are the facts, this year’s team, across the board is bigger stronger and faster than last year, especially on the D line and if Pete can’t see that, then he’s been watching too much soccer.
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Pete kept on harping on body types and looks. I think both he and D$ are right. I don't believe body types applies to every position. Look at the 2001 Miami team - you think that DL had the body types?

6-4. 250 (Williams)
6-1, 260 (JMac)
6-5, 275 (Walters)
6-5, 290 (Jospeh)

How about a 5-11 Vilma? How about sub 6' safeties? etc. etc.

Does Lofton have the right body type?

I think the body types does apply to certain positions, though. OL and DT are the classic body type positions. Everywhere else (for the most part, it's not as relevant).

I don't subscribe to the notion of being "bigger, faster, stronger" because that's the case EVERY year. What I do think is relevant is our DL and DB availability this year. DB is infinitely better than lst year. DL is a big ??? given the unproven nature of Scott, Moten, Blount, Bryant, Blay. That's 5 guys on the 2 deep that are mostly unproven. A lot to be excited about but manage your expectations. Same goes for WR.
 
thepfink said:
Ok Pete, after watching the podcast today I thought we should take a look at it.
QB: Ward vs Beck, I would call it a push, but could argue that Beck might have the slight advantage because he has done it on the big stage.
RB: Damien and Fletcher vs Fletcher and Lyle, again I would say it’s a push, also again I think the 2025 team might be slightly better because of the contrast. Damien and Fletcher seemed like a thunder and thunder combo.
WR: I agree with Pete on this, the group didn’t exactly get better, but like Dmoney said, you really just need to replace Restrepo. This years team looks more physical than last years.
TE Arroyo and Williams vs Lofton and Bauman, I would give the nod to the 24 team, although the 25 team could be just as productive as 24.
OL: Push, but Brockmeyer is an upgrade at Center
DL: Push, although Scott and Blay looks more physical than Barrow and Clark last year.
LB: Kiko and Bisanthe vs Toure and Bisanthe, 25 looks more physical.
DB: 24 vs 25, 25 looks bigger across the board.
Just my opinion, didn’t want to get too in depth on the 2 and 3 deep.
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If you say physical 3x in a row Mario shows up at 3am to make you spend a day with Feld
 
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